Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

Gary Gurney · 29-02-2020 5:07am

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

What’s the thoughts on Shane Ryan lads? Bit of a late bloomer didn’t really feature much in underage teams

Fmw horrendous all year in senior champ last year and they make up 1/5 of the starting 15 this weekend. Plenty fellas around the county younger and more potential than Ryan long term.

Mastermcgrath · 29-02-2020 7:58am

Gary Gurney wrote: »

Fmw horrendous all year in senior champ last year and they make up 1/5 of the starting 15 this weekend. Plenty fellas around the county younger and more potential than Ryan long term.

I often wondered what did Micheal Harney have to do to get a look in. Would have been miles ahead of someone like Ryan at minor and U21 level, and was a standout performer for a very good Carlow IT team at Fitzgibbon the last few years. Maybe hes from the wrong club

mountgomery burns · 29-02-2020 12:19pm

Gary Gurney wrote: »

Fmw horrendous all year in senior champ last year and they make up 1/5 of the starting 15 this weekend. Plenty fellas around the county younger and more potential than Ryan long term.

In 2008, Ken McGrath, Eoin McGrath, Tony Browne, the two Prendergasts and Clinton Hennessey played in a relegation final. Almost half the team that last beat Tipp in championship. 3 players do not make a team of 15.

Your second point may or may not be true, but that said if a fella is playing well for his club and gets a call up, and manager decides he's worth a chance after 4 month training and testing then he's entitled to it. Especially, given Cahill's reputation. Best of luck to him.

Gary Gurney · 29-02-2020 3:02pm

mountgomery burns wrote: »

In 2008, Ken McGrath, Eoin McGrath, Tony Browne, the two Prendergasts and Clinton Hennessey played in a relegation final. Almost half the team that last beat Tipp in championship. 3 players do not make a team of 15.

Your second point may or may not be true, but that said if a fella is playing well for his club and gets a call up, and manager decides he's worth a chance after 4 month training and testing then he's entitled to it. Especially, given Cahill's reputation. Best of luck to him.

Stopped reading your response after you started bringing Ken McGrath and Tony Browne into a conversation about Shane Ryan of fmw. Best of luck to him genuinley but there's plenty defenders have shown more form and potential in the county than him in recent times.

PTH2009 · 29-02-2020 3:07pm

Are both stands open tomorrow for season ticket holders?

mountgomery burns · 29-02-2020 3:42pm

Gary Gurney wrote: »

Stopped reading your response after you started bringing Ken McGrath and Tony Browne into a conversation about Shane Ryan of fmw. Best of luck to him genuinley but there's plenty defenders have shown more form and potential in the county than him in recent times.

I'm not comparing him to them at all, my point is there were 6 inter county in that relegation final. Writing off a player because his club was in a relegation final is stupid.

Calum Lyons is going to start if fit in May but other than him I don't see those options on the bench tomorrow. Anyway I don't like this kind of focus on one fella being given a chance. People talk about giving more lads opportunities in Waterford out of one side of their mouth, and then the other shoot down lads before they even get it.

On another note, delighted to see Hutchinson back in. Hopefully the weather holds up and he gets a chance to take on the Tipp backs on a wider pitch.

PTH2009 · 29-02-2020 5:24pm

Tonight's NFL game between Waterford and Carlow has been postponed and will take place at 2pm tomorrow

upthedeise16 · 29-02-2020 7:35pm

Gary Gurney wrote: »

Fmw horrendous all year in senior champ last year and they make up 1/5 of the starting 15 this weekend. Plenty fellas around the county younger and more potential than Ryan long term.

If you’ve been watching the senior club championship over the last 5 years, Ryan has been a very good club hurler for FMW at centre or wing back, much more prominent than Gleeson for them. FMW had only 17/18 players togged for senior championship last year, I’m afraid having 3 intercounty panellists doesn’t mean they’ll be competitive at senior, look at Templenoe in Kerry, 5 players starting in an All Ireland senior final but playing intermediate in their own county until this year. Just because you’re from a weaker club doesn’t mean you aren’t good enough, there are 15 players on teams and individuals won’t win championships.

These 2 games remaining aren’t essential to win, and it would be better to use them to build a panel and see some more players play against 2 of the best teams in the country and see how they get on around regular players instead of making 15 changes and expecting lads to impress. I like the mix that Cahill has selected.

PTH2009 · 01-03-2020 12:36pm

Best to luck to all Waterford teams playing today

On route to Thurles now and hoping for a good performance and Galway to do us a favour against Cork

PTH2009 · 01-03-2020 3:44pm

Some decent play from us but some laugh with all the sendings off

Stacksofwacks · 01-03-2020 3:45pm

Down 3 pts at half time. Couple of silly reds from Aussie and Moran. Were playing alrite up til then

friendlyfun · 01-03-2020 3:46pm

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Down 3 pts at half time. Couple of silly reds from Aussie and Moran. Were playing alrite up til then

Should Moran even still play for Waterford?

alta stare · 01-03-2020 3:47pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Some decent play from us but some laugh with all the sendings off

Austin knew what he was at but yeah the Moran red was ridiculous.

iebamm2580 · 01-03-2020 3:48pm

Moran red was crazy, gleeson deserved.

Stacksofwacks · 01-03-2020 3:49pm

friendlyfun wrote: »

Should Moran even still play for Waterford?

Probably not. isn't the same player he was a few years ago

PTH2009 · 01-03-2020 3:52pm

You have to worry about where aussies head will be now after this

Cahill wont take any sulking from him or anyone

PTH2009 · 01-03-2020 3:55pm

Congrats to gailtir

conor05 · 01-03-2020 3:56pm

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Probably not. isn't the same player he was a few years ago

I’d say that could be his last game. More pace needed on that wing for championship

Aussie tried his best to smash the hurl into the Tipp lads head.

mountgomery burns · 01-03-2020 3:57pm

conor05 wrote: »

I’d say that could be his last game. More pace needed on that wing for championship

Aussie tried his best to smash the hurl into the Tipp lads head.

Well there's one lie anyway

friendlyfun · 01-03-2020 4:08pm

Hurling sure is an exciting game aha

Stacksofwacks · 01-03-2020 4:15pm

Waterford playing very well in this game, probably wont win it but Im impressed with the workrate and brand of hurling

alta stare · 01-03-2020 4:22pm

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Waterford playing very well in this game, probably wont win it but Im impressed with the workrate and brand of hurling

The attitude is 100% which is very encouraging. Pity they are leaving so many points behind. They are playing better than Tipp which is a good sign for things going forward.

mountgomery burns · 01-03-2020 4:40pm

Very happy with that. Better team playing with a man down, frees cost us the win.

And Galway won so quarter final secured.

PTH2009 · 01-03-2020 5:01pm

Had a few wides which could of won the game for us but very spirited performance and were going in the right direction clearly

Thanks to the Galway win we are into the knockout stages and getting that extra game. The way it stands now is we can finish in anything from 1st-3rd. Free shot at Limerick for top spot (we would have the h2h over them if we won). 2nd or 3rd for us if we lose and then we have to see who wins the Galway vs Tipp game

In 1B Clare into the semis with Wexford 2nd and Kilkenny 3rd going into the QFs

mountgomery burns · 01-03-2020 5:27pm

Footballers fought back to get a draw as well, two good results on the spin.

PTH2009 · 01-03-2020 5:31pm

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Footballers fought back to get a draw as well, two good results on the spin.

Yeah it's a pity we lost the first few games but you have to imagine the management are happy with the campaign performance wise. London at home and Antrim away our last 2 games

Congrats to Gailitir, will be a great night out in Dunmore

spideyman92 · 01-03-2020 5:37pm

16 wides to Tipp's 6 was our downfall. Could have won it on another day but it wasn't to be. Encouraging enough performance despite the wides. Crazy weather in the first half going from sunshine to rain to snow and back to sunshine.

Fred C Dobbs · 01-03-2020 5:44pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Moran red was crazy, gleeson deserved.

Moran hardly touched Forde but stupid thing to do all the same. He also got a straight red against Clare in the round robin in 2018. His pace is gone, I’m afraid.

Gleesons first yellow was a very soft one whereas the second might have been a straight red. The Ref left a lot go in the 2nd half, allowing for the poor state of the pitch with players slipping and sliding all over.

Good enough performance in adverse circumstances and worked their socks off ; impressed with Prunty, McNulty, Barron, Hogan & Bennett ; didn’t realise that Kearney had such good movement while SOKY pulled off some great saves.

Motivator · 01-03-2020 6:22pm

Fred C Dobbs wrote: »

Moran hardly touched Forde but stupid thing to do all the same. He also got a straight red against Clare in the round robin in 2018. His pace is gone, I’m afraid.
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I was out on the pitch after the game with my young fella and tried to run after a ball he hit over my head, the pitch was an absolute bog. A total gluepot. Judging a player’s pace or lack of pace on that pitch is laughable.

PTH2009 · 01-03-2020 6:23pm

We beat Limerick- 1st in the grp and a semi final spot
Draw vs Limerick -2nd
loss/draw for us, Galway beat Tipp - 2nd
We lose and Tipp win- 3rd

QFs
2nd place and its Kilkenny possibly in Walsh Park (could be coin toss for home venue)
3rd place and its Wexford in Walsh Park

hurler on de ditch · 01-03-2020 7:38pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

You have to worry about where aussies head will be now after this

Cahill wont take any sulking from him or anyone

If Cahill had any balls ,he would have subbed him just before the red card ,he was having a terrible game as was Moran

hurler on de ditch · 01-03-2020 7:41pm

Motivator wrote: »

I was out on the pitch after the game with my young fella and tried to run after a ball he hit over my head, the pitch was an absolute bog. A total gluepot. Judging a player’s pace or lack of pace on that pitch is laughable.

Well Barron or Bennett ,to name just two showed no lack of pace

Jjjjjjjjbarry · 01-03-2020 8:18pm

I know it’s early in the year but yet again, we’ve lost a winnable game by missing easy frees. If we’d just made one more then we could have tapped over that easy free at the end for a draw instead of having to go for goal. That’s a fine margin.

Anyway, what a great effort in that second half. Work rate was top notch and they never gave up.
Hard to judge the forwards when we went back to 13. For most of the second half it looked like we had the extra man and what a sight to see our lads charging forward from defense to support the attack. Aussie stupid again, it was probably a straight red and he wasn't having the best game up to that moment.

Stephen Bennett.... what a man. He’s like a man possessed and Liam Cahill must love him. He’ll get stick here for missing a few but everyone misses a few.

Calum Lyons.. I think this kid will go on to be one of our greats. I love his attitude and diversity. I don’t know who keeps stats but I reckon he’s a league leader in blocks.

Stopitwillya · 01-03-2020 8:18pm

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

If Cahill had any balls ,he would have subbed him just before the red card ,he was having a terrible game as was Moran

It's not like you to be given out about a manager. A broken record.

Motivator · 01-03-2020 8:24pm

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

Well Barron or Bennett ,to name just two showed no lack of pace

Two fellas who are 7 and 9 years younger than Moran. Good analysis from you.

TheScoringGoal · 01-03-2020 8:29pm

We seemed to struggle with our defensive set up before the red cards. Within the first minute Seamus Callinan drifted out deep from centre forward and Austin shouted at his midfield to say once Callinan passed the 65 he was someone else's to pick up, similar to how Austin was positioned last week. But we didn't seem sure of this as Conor Gleeson dropped at one point, Kevin Moran moved at another and at least once Callinan was alone. However for me this is a system issue and understandable with a new manager in his 4th game.

I'd have to give credit to our forwards today. I very much doubt the tv captured the work they put in off the ball against the extra man in the Tipp defence. Again I wouldn't worry about the wides as the aforementioned work was energy sapping.

Fred C Dobbs · 01-03-2020 8:46pm

Swings and roundabouts regarding the wides.

In our earlier games, both Cork & Galway had a shed load of misses.

brookville · 01-03-2020 8:59pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

We beat Limerick- 1st in the grp and a semi final spot
Draw vs Limerick -2nd
loss/draw for us, Galway beat Tipp - 2nd
We lose and Tipp win- 3rd

QFs
2nd place and its Kilkenny possibly in Walsh Park (could be coin toss for home venue)
3rd place and its Wexford in Walsh Park

If its kilkenny and waterford think it's a toss as kilkenny had two home games.laois gave up home advantage today.

hurler on de ditch · 01-03-2020 11:02pm

Stopitwillya wrote: »

It's not like you to be given out about a manager. A broken record.

And that's what you took from what I said ..the last few games he got a lot right .today he got caught up ,whether I'm a broken record or not ..Aussie was having a nightmare so was Moran ,I'd love to blame someone else for leaving those two on as long as he did .but unfortunately for Cahill so the blame lies with him . It also spells out a particularly bad message to the lads on the bench that . depending on who you are decides how long you should stay on the pitch ..it's the managers job to sort this and he didn't ..correct me if I'm wrong on that .

PTH2009 · 01-03-2020 11:08pm

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

And that's what you took from what I said ..the last few games he got a lot right .today he got caught up ,whether I'm a broken record or not ..Aussie was having a nightmare so was Moran ,I'd love to blame someone else for leaving those two on as long as he did .but unfortunately for Cahill so the blame lies with him . It also spells out a particularly bad message to the lads on the bench that . depending on who you are decides how long you should stay on the pitch ..it's the managers job to sort this and he didn't ..correct me if I'm wrong on that .

It was still the first half tbh . Cahill strikes me as a manager who's gives lads and chance and if he feels there not up to par on the day you're off

hurler on de ditch · 01-03-2020 11:26pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

It was still the first half tbh . Cahill strikes me as a manager who's gives lads and chance and if he feels there not up to par on the day you're off

So according to that ,he felt they were doing ok

hurler on de ditch · 01-03-2020 11:50pm

Motivator wrote: »

Two fellas who are 7 and 9 years younger than Moran. Good analysis from you.

Does that not tell you something ,how many times must you hear it , every dog has its day , and moran has had he's , regardless of the two lads I mentioned ,

hardybuck · 02-03-2020 12:08am

I wouldn't be too worried about how Kevin Moran is playing in the 1st March. Tony Browne used not to start togging out until around April. He's probably tapering his conditioning to be ready to unload in May and June.

However, in the absence of Brick, and in the absence of proper brawn in the forwards, I wonder if he'll end up there before the year is out...

Tramore84 · 02-03-2020 12:19am

Really enjoyed that performance today from the lads, no doubt we deserved to win it. Paudie M missed some rake of frees today, only downside.

Jjjjjjjjbarry · 02-03-2020 12:20am

Aussie’s first yellow: was that not Prunty who committed the foul?

Mastermcgrath · 02-03-2020 12:23am

Won the second half against the AI champions on their home turf with a man short. And I’m sure Cahill would rather see us hit 16 wides than not creating the chances at all, at least he knows what they need to work on.

deiseindublin · 02-03-2020 12:24am

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Aussie’s first yellow: was that not Prunty who committed the foul?

I thought the same but wasn't shown tonight.

Tiger Roll · 02-03-2020 12:24am

Mastermcgrath wrote:

Won the second half against the AI champions on their home turf with a man short. And Iâ€™m sure Cahill would rather see us hit 16 wides than not creating the chances at all, at least he knows what they need to work on.

Yes that's all correct but the standard of free taking today was very poor .

killbillvol2 · 02-03-2020 12:25am

Tramore84 wrote: »

Really enjoyed that performance today from the lads, no doubt we deserved to win it. Paudie M missed some rake of frees today, only downside.

It's a huge downside. We won't win a championship game without a reliable free taker.

Mastermcgrath · 02-03-2020 12:26am

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

Does that not tell you something ,how many times must you hear it , every dog has its day , and moran has had he's , regardless of the two lads I mentioned ,

You said those exact words about brick 3 years ago and he ended up winning an all star.

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