Fox hunting

Rows Grower wrote: »

Really?

How do you hold the lamp while shooting the fox with the rifle?

Again, a scope lamp, it's a lamp that sits on the scope, as opposed to having to have someone else there. So it is just as I first wrote, 1 man(In my case,) a rifle, lamp and fox caller.

gozunda wrote: »

So our history of hunting is rubbish is it? Cuculain etc tell of hunting with hounds before the English had got off their beds. Ancient Irish laws stipulated that landowners were obliged to hunt and control foxes and wovles. The Irish also hunted on horse back. But you do what the funny thing is? More hunting today is done on foot with hounds in rural areas than anywhere else. But then of course hunting and horses is the favourite poster campaign of the english nutter anti / sab community. And the same bs repeated. That's the same bunch who want to get meat banned as well and want everyone to eat beans or whatever.

Don't quote Irish legends names when you cant even spell them. Its a British tradition, continued by idiots. No comparison to ancient people hunting for food, or protecting livestock when the technology and ability to do so hadn't been invented yet.

They didn't feed fox cubs to dogs to give them a blood thirst, they didn't dig out foxes with terriers and gps collars, they didn't kill their hunting dogs when too old to keep up.

Fox hunters are utter scum in every way, animals are nothing but commodities to feed their perceived right to torture and mistreat. You've no argument.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Fox hunting.
Badger baiting.
Bear Baiting.
Dog fighting.

One of these things is still legal in Ireland.

All of these things are barbaric.

I know fox hunting is legal but is bear baiting illegal in Ireland?

Rows Grower wrote: »

Again, so it's not just one man, a rifle, a lamp and a fox caller.

You need a rifle scope too, that makes more sense.

Yes a scope is needed for a rifle usually. Aplogies. My original post was to refute the argument that the hunt is needed to control foxes. That is utter nonsense, as I tried to put it that one man is more effective. No person who needs foxes controlled call on the hunt, they use someone with a rifle with experience in fox control.

mulbot wrote: »

Being honest, I wouldn't call it remorseful,. My father's family are farmers, if during lambing season foxes were bothering them or milli g lambs, then its just something that needs to be done. I don't take pleasure in it if that's an easier way to put it.

So there you are with your rifle, scope, special scope light attached to the scope out on a dark cold night on your own trying to eradicate a lamb killer for people related to you who depend on lambs to make a living.

You sight a fox, take aim and miss. He/she runs away, and is consequently now a fox that is going to be wary of bright lights in future and harder for you to shoot.

How do you feel then or has that never happened to you?

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Come around my place after the milking and you can see Paddington and Rupert and Ruxpin duke it out against the CareBears...... death match style..... no submission, first piece of stuffing to hit the floor wins.

Thank you, PM me the finer details and I'll be there.

Rows Grower wrote: »

I know fox hunting is legal but is bear baiting illegal in Ireland?

Yup.
The Cruelty to Animals Act (known as the Pease Act) of 1835 - which also outlawed cockfighting and dog fighting.
Hasn't been repealed

The Tetrarch
People still concerned about chasing the fox, who usually escapes.
Nobody is concerned about horses, who are eaten by the dogs.

Discodog wrote: »

Rubbish. Plenty are concerned about the welfare of horses. But horses aren't chased to death.

Using the word rubbish does not help the discussion. You have to say why it is rubbish.

The fox usually escapes.
My guess is "plenty are concerned about the welfare of horses" evokes pictures of horses in fields without food or shelter abandoned by their owners, or cared for in a haphazard fashion.

You missed the point completely in your fashionable concern for one fox.

The hounds eat meat. Many horse foals, yearlings, two year olds who do not make the grade, and older horses past their best are killed. The hounds are fed horse meat.
While you are wringing your hands with concern for one fox that is chased once every few weeks you are looking at the wrong end of the hunt, ignoring the horses that are killed continually to feed the hounds. Hounds feed every day.

Nature is red in tooth and claw. Death is part of nature.
There is a balance. Too many of one species and they suffer from a shortage of food, and are a greater food source for their predators, and balance returns when the greater number is reduced by the increased number of predators.
You see herds of antelope in Africa and a pride of lions of perhaps ten to twenty. You do not see herds of lions hundreds strong and about a dozen antelope. Balance.
The same with birds, many small birds, a few hawks.
Foxes kill other animals and are killed by others, all unseen.

The chase of one fox is insignificant in nature.
I have seen a pickup truck chasing a herd of antelope in Africa until they suffered from exhaustion and were clubbed to death.
You see a hunt with horse and hounds and are offended, but you are not offended by the death of hundreds of horses, because you do not see it or do not know enough about the subject.

You probably are a fan of "free range" eggs because the chickens can socialise and have a great life, which is perfect for foxes. They like their food "free range" and easily accessible.

The fox hunt is about the horses, running and jumping over open countryside. It has almost nothing to do with foxes.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I am sure they do! Foxes became domesticated and became dogs.
Why were there 15 left in the morning then? Older foxes kill what they need a young fox kills for sport. Well the foxes got into the house on that night digging underneath the wire. that was remedied and my dog separated a vixen from her two cubs, so we are quits.

I am suggesting that third level Orts department have no connection with the real world.

Nope. Wolves became domesticated, not foxes. I have met hand reared foxes & they never lose the instinctive nervousness.

They would of returned for the remaining 15 & usually they bury the bodies to eat later.

You moan about the fox but are happy to let two cubs die of starvation. Your hens are lucky to have such a caring owner.

kildare lad wrote: »

I know lads that hunt foxes with lurchers, they're rough men..lol, you've got to be a bit tapped to be cheering as your dogs chase down and kill a fox, i had to delete him off my facebook page cos of the crap he was putting up. Holding up dead foxes and videos of them digging down the holes , that the foxes had got back to ,then setting the dogs on them. then they just throw the dead foxes in a ditch. He'd killed 80 foxes one season a few years back. I spied on a fox a few weeks while out fishing, beautiful creatures. They've a tough enough life without a bunch of rich arseholes chasing them through fields with dogs.
That being said , i dont have a problem with them being shot if there numbers get out of control on a farmers land. As for the OP parents cats, they do the most damage to native songbirds and wildlife. We've had wild rabbits out my back garden and cats killed them all and left them all at our back door. Ive seen the stalking our bird feeder early in the morning too. They're pets for lazy people. If id a gun , id shoot every cat that came into my garden.

Not according to the RSPB.

https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/gardening-for-wildlife/animal-deterrents/cats-and-garden-birds/are-cats-causing-bird-declines/

Rows Grower wrote: »

You forgot to throw in badger baiting there as well.

Oh yeah, and dog fighting too.

You can't have a reasonable discussion on Boards.ie about fox hunting without mentioning badger baiting, bear baiting and dog fighting.

No because fox hunting is cruelty for entertainment & not necessity. Just like the other examples

gozunda wrote: »

Oh a spelling Nazi - that's great. The only English I see are the anti movement bs being repeated over here..The Irish have hunted with hounds for as long as there have been people here. I'd say you've been feeding on that bs from that little diatribe tbh. Btw yes I've seen a kill - and it's was quick a kill by the neck. And yes it torn up up afterwards. pretty? No. But no worse than foxes smashed up by people on roads.But you know what? It's rarely about a kill - its more often about dispersing foxes and making them wary of humans and livestock which shooting doesn't do. You clearly don't have a fracking clue. I guess 'Cú Chulainn' (Culann's Hound) was a vegan then ...

You see it's all false news spread by the Brits.:rolleyes:

Who is the "little diatribe" ?

Don't start on fracking :pac:

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Not even a little bit? So then why do you do it?

I suggest you look back at all my posts in this thread as to why I've shot foxes.

greencap wrote: »

Well hey, if everyone who objects to hunting foxes with a pack of dogs is a pampered city type from the "Orts" department, then everyone who runs around with dogs and horses terrifying foxes, is a wannabe who thinks a red coat and 18th century style helmet make them something more than the asshle they see in the mirror.

A desperate for love, social outcast, who will rely on superficial dress code, the type who will sell their better nature, and torment an animal unnecessarily, just to belong.

Pathetic people.

A red coat?? It’s a green coat in Ireland.

The only people I meet that are against fox hunting tend to be ones that never tried it or know very little about it.

Try it, it’s a another way to enjoy the countryside. Doesn’t cost a fortune and very few foxes come to any harm.

Odelay wrote: »

A red coat?? It’s a green coat in Ireland.

The only people I meet that are against fox hunting tend to be ones that never tried it or know very little about it.

Try it, it’s a another way to enjoy the countryside. Doesn’t cost a fortune and very few foxes come to any harm.

Yet someone else here claimed the hunt are goid for fox control. By the way, the two hunts near my hometown wear red jackets

mulbot wrote: »

You're mixing up someone who shoots an animal for pleasure with someone who has shot foxes to control numbers or to stop them attacking lambs. The hunt kill foxes for pleasure, I disagree with their actions completely. If I miss, I miss. Do you think its fun to sit in the rain, wind, cold etc just to shoot a fox?

mulbot all I wanted to know was how you felt after missing the shot.

You answered the question, you feel nothing.

In my experience you are an exception, any other person I know that shoots or attempts to shoot foxes feels disappointed when they miss and happy when they succeed.

To answer your question do I think it's fun to be out in the rain, wind and cold to shoot a fox, yes I do. I love it.

I love it more when I actually kill them but I still enjoy going out even if I don't shoot any.

greencap wrote: »

Well hey, if everyone who objects to hunting foxes with a pack of dogs is a pampered city type from the "Orts" department, then everyone who runs around with dogs and horses terrifying foxes, is a wannabe who thinks a red coat and 18th century style helmet make them something more than the asshle they see in the mirror.
A desperate for love, social outcast, who will rely on superficial dress code, the type who will sell their better nature, and torment an animal unnecessarily, just to belong.
Pathetic people.

Why are you using stupid stereotypes which I never mentioned btw to try and ram your hyperbole down others necks? That's a really clever basis for a bull**** attack on something you know feck all about. I can only presume you are also against other percieved foreign activities such as those who play rugby (british!) 'their desperate for love, social outcast' (sic) and their fondness for a "superficial dress code" yada yada yada. Those involved in showjumpering etc also wear breaches, jacket and a safety hat, farmers and others sometimes wear flat caps. etc. But when anyone else does they are 'superficial' Christ almighty.

Exactly. Oh 90% of the time the fox gets away.

Goody. Only 10% of the time the dogs rip it to death .

Good stuff

brianmax88 wrote: »

I think most of the people here that are against fox hunting are only against it because they see it as something only the upper class / gentry do.
The dogs hunt the fox ,which is their natural instinct ,not the humans. Humans are there to control the dogs and look after them. If you actually follow a hunt for a day you will see that 9 times out 10 the fox gets away they will run around in circles for a while then just trot away. I know because i have seen it happen.

I do not hunt with horses i am a shooting man. The enjoyment for me is watching my springer spaniel do what it born do and that is hunt.

What i class as cruel and barbaric is people living in towns and cities that have dogs that are bred to look cute and cuddly and have so many health problems as a result. They might get a half an hour of a walk on a lead in the morning or evening then back to the house or yard for the day.

People are against hunting because it is cruel. It doesn't matter the class of the person committing the cruelty.

Hopefully your Springer lives with you & not in a cage, at the bottom of the garden, like some "gun" dogs. Your Springer was born to be a companion animal not a hunter.

Rows Grower wrote: »

mulbot all I wanted to know was how you felt after missing the shot.

You answered the question, you feel nothing.

In my experience you are an exception, any other person I know that shoots or attempts to shoot foxes feels disappointed when they miss and happy when they succeed.

To answer your question do I think it's fun to be out in the rain, wind and cold to shoot a fox, yes I do. I love it.

I love it more when I actually kill them but I still enjoy going out even if I don't shoot any.

Well that's how you feel about hunting foxes, I don't feel the need to won't question you. I don't get pleasure from shooting them, I don't go out to have fun.