Fox hunting

WoollyRedHat

One day when we are enslaved by the robots, it will be them who chase us for sport. What fun that will be. Mad Max Like a Fox.

skooterblue2

Discodog wrote: »

You strangely forget that foxes kill a lot of rats. The farmers here

The old "it's good for them" argument. After all how did Foxes ever survive without us hunting them ?

They didn't kill for fun. They would of returned for the rest. Any animal will take an easy meal. It's not difficult to make a hen house fox proof.

Are you suggesting that someone who studies art can't empathise with an animal being killed for fun ?

I am sure they do! Foxes became domesticated and became dogs.
Why were there 15 left in the morning then? Older foxes kill what they need a young fox kills for sport. Well the foxes got into the house on that night digging underneath the wire. that was remedied and my dog separated a vixen from her two cubs, so we are quits.

I am suggesting that third level Orts department have no connection with the real world.

skooterblue2

VeryTerry wrote: »

The ones I saw coming out of the trailer didn't look like they would be suitable pets. This was a hunt with horses.

Did you ever see a jack russell kill a rat? still the same family pet

greencap

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

One day when we are enslaved by the robots, it will be them who chase us for sport. What fun that will be. Mad Max Like a Fox.

But will the robots do it out of a ridiculously transparent attempt to be part of the landed gentry upper class?

Will they wear green gilets and flat caps and drive around in land rovers trying to be something they're not.

Will their fundamental motivation under it all be to belong.
Like they belonged, once, before daddy left.

VeryTerry

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Did you ever see a jack russell kill a rat? still the same family pet

You're missing my point here. Dogs need to be socialised and trained to make good pets. These dogs might be trained for hunting but you wouldn't be over petting them with your toddler. So what happens to them when they're no good for hunting?

mulbot

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I think they call that lamping (Rifle + two lamps)? Isnt that illegal? as compared with fox hunting? While I am not opposed to it, I do remind you, you are breaking the law.

No its not illegal to lamp foxes

AudreyHepburn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I am sure they do! Foxes became domesticated and became dogs.
Why were there 15 left in the morning then? Older foxes kill what they need a young fox kills for sport. Well the foxes got into the house on that night digging underneath the wire. that was remedied and my dog separated a vixen from her two cubs, so we are quits.

I am suggesting that third level Orts department have no connection with the real world.

And that right there is where you lose your argument. I am a city girl, Dublin born and bred and yes I have a third level education from UCD. But this does not mean I am lacking an understanding of the natural world. Far from it.

I spent many a childhood summer (and some teen ones) in west Limerick where my grandmother hails from and if anything it taught how beautiful and fragile our natural world is and that we should value it not see it as an inconvenience or something only useful as sport.

skooterblue2

VeryTerry wrote: »

You're missing my point here. Dogs need to be socialised and trained to make good pets. These dogs might be trained for hunting but you wouldn't be over petting them with your toddler. So what happens to them when they're no good for hunting?

same as grey hounds, house them with either an elderly couple or childless couple.

Rows Grower

mulbot wrote: »

What nonsense. As someone who has spent over 20 years hunting, shooting with rifle is the no. 1 way of controlling fox. The hunt, do little to nothing for control of fox numbers. Entering lands without permission, running packs of hounds through fields with pregnant sheep, have seen all of this and more over the years. In fact where I grew up, no landowners in the locality will let any hunt cross lands anymore such is the contempt for them. One man and a rifle, a lamp and a fox caller will keep any fox population under control.

How do you manage to lamp the fox and shoot it at the same time?

gozunda

greencap wrote: »

But will the robots do it out of a ridiculously transparent attempt to be part of the landed gentry upper class? Will they wear green gilets and flat caps and drive around in land rovers trying to be something they're not. Will their fundamental motivation under it all be to belong. Like they belonged, once, before daddy left.

What fracking tv shows have you been watching.? Rtflol. People who hunt around here are locals and farmers without as much as a bit of a title between them. Yeah some of them wear flatcaps alright - the same ones they wear going to the mart with the cattle. Daniel O'Connell (Irish patriot) was the last Irish 'gentry' - I heard of who was big into his hunting down in kerry. So more of the same old bs class war rubbish trotted out by the english extremist antis every time. Youd swear that they are the ones running the show here tbh. No thanks I believe what I see in reality.

Rows Grower

VeryTerry wrote: »

You're missing my point here. Dogs need to be socialised and trained to make good pets. These dogs might be trained for hunting but you wouldn't be over petting them with your toddler. So what happens to them when they're no good for hunting?

You don't have a point.

And you obviously know nothing about hunting dogs.

skooterblue2

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I am a city girl, Dublin born and bred and yes I have a third level education from UCD. But this does not mean I am lacking an understanding of the natural world. Far from it.

I spent many a childhood summer (and some teen ones) in west Limerick where my grandmother hails from and if anything it taught how beautiful and fragile our natural world is and that we should value it not see it as an inconvenience or something only useful as sport.

I’m also a big fan of Sir David Attenborough since childhood (thanks to my Dad and his love of Life of Earth amongst other Attenborough masterpieces) and I strongly advise you and others who see animals as sport and vermin, to watch his programs.

They could just be the wake up call you need.

Orts department right?

I once went France, I dont think I am french.

So I am guessing you are against, greyhound racing, horse racing, pig racing, fishing, shooting, pigeon racing...... guessing hurling too as it uses a leather ball? Guess its a bit like left wing arguement on gay marriage, if you dont want one dont get one!!

AndrewJRenko

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Guess its a bit like left wing arguement on gay marriage, if you dont want one dont get one!!

Does the fox get to make this choice?

skooterblue2

Rows Grower wrote: »

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How do you manage to lamp the fox and shoot it at the same time?

Simples .... use a strobe light!!
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-MP5-22-GSG5-Lighted-Forearm-p15730.htm

completely sporting

mulbot

Rows Grower wrote: »

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How do you manage to lamp the fox and shoot it at the same time?

Scope lamp

skooterblue2

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Does the fox get to make this choice?

If he says different then he is a homophobe

WoollyRedHat

greencap wrote: »

But will the robots do it out of a ridiculously transparent attempt to be part of the landed gentry upper class?

Will they wear green gilets and flat caps and drive around in land rovers trying to be something they're not.

Will their fundamental motivation under it all be to belong.
Like they belonged, once, before daddy left.

No attempts but I'm sure if you wanted you could programme a gentry class of robots to live the same ideals that were lost in centuries before. I think that would be a marvelous movie idea actually, I'm going to write a script for that. They'll have robot horses of course, no cars you see

mulbot

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Simples .... use a strobe light!!
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-MP5-22-GSG5-Lighted-Forearm-p15730.htm

completely sporting

It's not supposed to be sporting,I've never shot a fox for fun, as opposed to what supporters of the hunt here have claimed they do.

con___manx1

Foxes are a beautiful creature and I love them but I also think they need to be controlled. farmers are legally allowed to snare them which is probably a worse death that being killed by hounds. Some farmers poison foxes aswell. Not sure if thats legal or not anymore. Alot of Birds of prey died as a result of that practice.
The hounds would actually kill the fox pretty quick. Iv been told by a friend who fox hunts that the amount of times the fox gets away is unreal. Usually they catch sick old or dopey foxes in the hunt.
Tony blair said one of his biggest regrets while in office was banning fox hunting in the uk.
Thousands and thousands of hounds were put down in the uk after it was banned. I wonder did the animal rights people think of that.
Its a really old tradition that I dont think should be done away with.

AudreyHepburn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Orts department right?

I once went France, I dont think I am french.

So I am guessing you are against, greyhound racing, horse racing, pig racing, fishing, shooting, pigeon racing...... guessing hurling too as it uses a leather ball? Guess its a bit like left wing arguement on gay marriage, if you dont want one dont get one!!

Yes Arts - I’ve a Masters Degree in Archaeology if you must know so.

I’m against animal cruelty in all its forms. But there’s a world of difference between horse racing and the Hunt and you know that really.

One thing my apparently useless Third Level education has taught me is that mankind has only been on this earth a relatively short period of time in comparison to the age of the planet and that we have no more right to it than any other creature on it.

Our ancient ancestors, born and raised in the wild, had more understanding of and respect for, the natural world than many of the so called expert country folk on this thread.

Rows Grower

mulbot wrote: »

Scope lamp

So it's not just one man, a rifle, a lamp and a fox caller.

I was thinking that didn't make sense.

Bannasidhe

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Have you ever tried it OP?

Fox hunting is great fun. Those who hunt are people no better nor worse than those whi dont, and yet are perfectly happy to do so. Banning it would be a most unfair restriction of their rights. Sure, foxes are chased and killed. But from the perspective of some, usually those with a background or tradition if hunting, thats not a problem. They are entitled to that view.

Dont like fox hunting? Dont hunt.

There are few things I feel more strongly about than anti-anti-foxhunting.

I've done it.
It's the reason I hate it. I know what happens.

My (now thankfully ex) in-laws were big into the old fox hunting. Middle Aged Ascendancy wanna be's trying to disguise their blood lust with fancy costumes. Oh how thrilled they were when 'they' made a kill - oh the disappointment when the fox got away.
Not a farmer among them - a lot of hoteliers tho who sold package holidays to Americans - so yeah - the fox vermin problem among Irish hotels must be a big issue rarely talked about - so bad we need to get the Yanks in to help. Yanks who - I kid you not - often asked what kind of gun they would be using - and had no idea how to ride a European trained horse... or any horse for that matter.

It's barbaric. No different to bear baiting.

Anyone whose idea of fun is setting a group of dogs after another animal is the lowest of the low.

Rows Grower

mulbot wrote: »

It's not supposed to be sporting,I've never shot a fox for fun, as opposed to what supporters of the hunt here have claimed they do.

Do you feel remorseful after you have shot one?

mulbot

Rows Grower wrote: »

So it's not just one man, a rifle, a lamp and a fox caller.

I was thinking that didn't make sense.

Yes it is.

kildare lad

I know lads that hunt foxes with lurchers, they're rough men..lol, you've got to be a bit tapped to be cheering as your dogs chase down and kill a fox, i had to delete him off my facebook page cos of the crap he was putting up. Holding up dead foxes and videos of them digging down the holes , that the foxes had got back to ,then setting the dogs on them. then they just throw the dead foxes in a ditch. He'd killed 80 foxes one season a few years back. I spied on a fox a few weeks while out fishing, beautiful creatures. They've a tough enough life without a bunch of rich arseholes chasing them through fields with dogs.
That being said , i dont have a problem with them being shot if there numbers get out of control on a farmers land. As for the OP parents cats, they do the most damage to native songbirds and wildlife. We've had wild rabbits out my back garden and cats killed them all and left them all at our back door. Ive seen the stalking our bird feeder early in the morning too. They're pets for lazy people. If id a gun , id shoot every cat that came into my garden.

Rows Grower

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I've done it.
It's the reason I hate it. I know what happens.

My (now thankfully ex) in-laws were big into the old fox hunting. Middle Aged Ascendancy wanna be's trying to disguise their blood lust with fancy costumes. Oh how thrilled they were when 'they' made a kill - oh the disappointment when the fox got away.
Not a farmer among them - a lot of hoteliers tho who sold package holidays to Americans - so yeah - the fox vermin problem among Irish hotels must be a big issue rarely talked about - so bad we need to get the Yanks in to help. Yanks who - I kid you not - often asked what kind of gun they would be using - and had no idea how to ride a European trained horse... or any horse for that matter.

It's barbaric. No different to bear baiting.

Anyone whose idea of fun is setting a group of dogs after another animal is the lowest of the low.

You forgot to throw in badger baiting there as well.

Oh yeah, and dog fighting too.

You can't have a reasonable discussion on Boards.ie about fox hunting without mentioning badger baiting, bear baiting and dog fighting.

VeryTerry

Rows Grower wrote: »

You don't have a point.

And you obviously know nothing about hunting dogs.

No I don't. That's why I asked the question in the first place. Do you have an answer for me or maybe another ignorant reply is all you can muster.

skooterblue2

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Yes Arts - I’ve a Masters Degree in Archaeology if you must know so.

I’m against animal cruelty in all its forms. But there’s a world of difference between horse racing and the Hunt and you know that really.

One thing my apparently useless Third Level education has taught me is that mankind has only been on this earth a relatively short period of time in comparison to the age of the planet and that we have no more right to it than any other creature on it.

Our ancient ancestors, born and raised in the wild, had more understanding of and respect for, the natural world than many of the so called expert country folk on this thread.

Guess its no meat or poultry or fish for you tonight then? You do know when you have a pint or pull a carrot you disturb the world of Billions of tiny micro organism?

Your achievement in Third level obviously not up for debate, but if you cant fix a tractor or dispatch and animal and return it to me in two weeks in plastic bags then you are not much use to me. however my cranky uncle keeps telling me there are pisogs under the bridge if you want a chat with him I can set you up (he has a dodgy heart, hasnt spent christmas since 1966 and I am sure you would hit it off).

Well that is true but our ancestors didnt have mortgages to pay back then and neither did they have milking machines (hint getting near 4pm), still waiting for an alternator from Dublin for a Massey 135. So you arent really comparing like with like.

The future is going forward, not wishing we were living with the faries

mulbot

Rows Grower wrote: »

Do you feel remorseful after you have shot one?

Being honest, I wouldn't call it remorseful,. My father's family are farmers, if during lambing season foxes were bothering them or milli g lambs, then its just something that needs to be done. I don't take pleasure in it if that's an easier way to put it.

Rows Grower

mulbot wrote: »

Yes it is.

Really?

How do you hold the lamp while shooting the fox with the rifle?