Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

tudderone · 13-10-2020 5:14pm

Extinction rebellion attack Smithfield meat market in London.........get slung out on their ears by the butchers and porters

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8834709/Butchers-chase-Extinction-Rebellion-protestors-Smithfield-market.html

Birdnuts · 13-10-2020 8:49pm

tudderone wrote: »

Extinction rebellion attack Smithfield meat market in London.........get slung out on their ears by the butchers and porters

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8834709/Butchers-chase-Extinction-Rebellion-protestors-Smithfield-market.html

That lot belong on a butchers hook!!

tudderone · 13-10-2020 10:21pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46Yak0uzalo

Grizzly 45 · 17-10-2020 12:10pm

Goodbye NZ...
You ****ed up.... BIGLY!:(:(:(:(
Nice knowing you as a once pretty much ideal gun law country,that has now descended within 12 months into new Socialist Green gun banning dictatorship and is voting for and fell for the cult of personality rather than for reason and practicality.

Well,like the frogs in De La Fontanes fable who tired of Democracy,you can now go and cower before your new Heron queen,who lunches and dines on NZ frogs whenever she will feel inclined to do so. And with those gnashers on her,she could do some serious damage alright .

https://www.arise.tv/incumbent-pm-arden-wins-new-zealand-election-by-landslide/

tudderone · 17-10-2020 12:16pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Goodbye NZ...
You ****ed up.... BIGLY!:(:(:(:(
Nice knowing you as a once pretty much ideal gun law country,that has now descended within 12 months into new Socialist Green gun banning dictatorship and is voting for and fell for the cult of personality rather than for reason and practicality.

Well,like the frogs in De La Fontanes fable who tired of Democracy,you can now go and cower before your new Heron queen,who lunches and dines on NZ frogs whenever she will feel inclined to do so. And with those gnashers on her,she could do some serious damage alright .

https://www.arise.tv/incumbent-pm-arden-wins-new-zealand-election-by-landslide/

Pity, its a wonderful country. The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

Grizzly 45 · 17-10-2020 10:29pm

The Czech Republic has apparently written and verified a 2nd amendment article into its constitution. Be the only other country in the world that has defined this specific right on paper if this is the case.

tudderone · 17-10-2020 10:55pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

The Czech Republic has apparently written and verified a 2nd amendment article into its constitution. Be the only other country in the world that has defined this specific right on paper if this is the case.

The Poohbahs in the eu won't like that.

Feisar · 17-10-2020 11:16pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

The Czech Republic has apparently written and verified a 2nd amendment article into its constitution. Be the only other country in the world that has defined this specific right on paper if this is the case.

I love guns, more specifically rifles however and it's a strong however I don't get American's relationship with weapons. And I say weapons intentionally because that's what it is. I remember reading an article in Guns and Ammo years ago. Yer man's main point was: if I have a self defense pistol I want a bore I can damn near crawl through, i.e. 45 over 9 mil. I see it on the YouTube channels as well, "a well armed populace" blah blah blah. Yea you and yer AR are going to sort out the 1st Field Artillery Regiment and it's 155 mm self-propelled howitzers. Gotta keep that government in check.

The above is a stereotype of American's attitude to guns.

tudderone · 18-10-2020 1:03am

Feisar wrote: »

I love guns, more specifically rifles however and it's a strong however I don't get American's relationship with weapons. And I say weapons intentionally because that's what it is. I remember reading an article in Guns and Ammo years ago. Yer man's main point was: if I have a self defense pistol I want a bore I can damn near crawl through, i.e. 45 over 9 mil. I see it on the YouTube channels as well, "a well armed populace" blah blah blah. Yea you and yer AR are going to sort out the 1st Field Artillery Regiment and it's 155 mm self-propelled howitzers. Gotta keep that government in check.

The above is a stereotype of American's attitude to guns.

I'd have (and did have) a .45acp over a 9mm. Love the .45, easier to shoot than a 9mm (imho). Its a generational thing, the older generation - .30-06 and .45, the newer generation 5.56 and the 9mm.

And living in Ireland, you should know that you budge an inch and a mile is taken. 1972 "We just want your guns for a few weeks lads, for testing", 20 odd years later and nothing apart from .22 rifles and shotguns given back.

tudderone · 18-10-2020 2:33pm

Four boys being naughty, i wonder if their firearms certs will be taken ?

https://www.midlands103.com/news/midlands-news/four-men-prosecuted-for-wildlife-breaches-in-the-midlands/

Grizzly 45 · 18-10-2020 3:05pm

Feisar wrote: »

I love guns, more specifically rifles however and it's a strong however I don't get American's relationship with weapons. And I say weapons intentionally because that's what it is. I remember reading an article in Guns and Ammo years ago. Yer man's main point was: if I have a self defense pistol I want a bore I can damn near crawl through, i.e. 45 over 9 mil. I see it on the YouTube channels as well, "a well armed populace" blah blah blah. Yea you and yer AR are going to sort out the 1st Field Artillery Regiment and it's 155 mm self-propelled howitzers. Gotta keep that government in check.

The above is a stereotype of American's attitude to guns.

Kind of a sweeping statement there.
In shooting circles the American attitude to FIREARMS is as varied as those who use them.From ultra Fudd,to owning a quad 20mm Vulcan gun.The nice thing is they can do such under a constitutional RIGHT and not under a system of Govt granted privilidges like what we suffer under hre.Nor does it say anything about "hunting or target shooting"appropriate firearms either.

As for the Czechs doing this..i figure living with a decade of the Nazi jackboot on your neck,followed by 50 years of the Soviet version of the same footwear,kind of skews your perspective when you have signed up withsome supposedly peacable and trading organisation,and find they are likely to put on the same boots in the near future...Well unless you are kinky and like boot worship...:p

"Yer man " you refer to is the late Col Jeff Cooper who was always an advocate of large cal for personal defence,going from a career as a combat Marine in ww2 and Law enforcement,he was talking from experiance.

As for the last part.I'd suggest a study of asymatric warfare and gureilla war,and specifically places like Vietnam,Iraq and Afghanistan,and for a bit of variety the PIRA NI conflict tactics,where both the US,Russia and the UK got their asses handed to them in many occasions by a bunch of goat herders,rice farmers and street dossers with NONE of the high tech military equipment you mention,and even weapons in worse condition and age than some of our more neglected farmers firearms here .:)

You dont waste ammo shooting at the predator drone in the air,you wait until it is on the runway and punch a few 50 cals into its multi million dollar electronics.
An actual plan Russia was going to do with its SPETNATZ forces to knock alot of NATO's aircraft out,in the hours leading up to the start of WW3 in Germany.

Feisar · 18-10-2020 3:52pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Kind of a sweeping statement there.
In shooting circles the American attitude to FIREARMS is as varied as those who use them.From ultra Fudd,to owning a quad 20mm Vulcan gun.The nice thing is they can do such under a constitutional RIGHT and not under a system of Govt granted privilidges like what we suffer under hre.Nor does it say anything about "hunting or target shooting"appropriate firearms either.

As for the Czechs doing this..i figure living with a decade of the Nazi jackboot on your neck,followed by 50 years of the Soviet version of the same footwear,kind of skews your perspective when you have signed up withsome supposedly peacable and trading organisation,and find they are likely to put on the same boots in the near future...Well unless you are kinky and like boot worship...:p

"Yer man " you refer to is the late Col Jeff Cooper who was always an advocate of large cal for personal defence,going from a career as a combat Marine in ww2 and Law enforcement,he was talking from experiance.

As for the last part.I'd suggest a study of asymatric warfare and gureilla war,and specifically places like Vietnam,Iraq and Afghanistan,and for a bit of variety the PIRA NI conflict tactics,where both the US,Russia and the UK got their asses handed to them in many occasions by a bunch of goat herders,rice farmers and street dossers with NONE of the high tech military equipment you mention,and even weapons in worse condition and age than some of our more neglected farmers firearms here .:)

You dont waste ammo shooting at the predator drone in the air,you wait until it is on the runway and punch a few 50 cals into its multi million dollar electronics.
An actual plan Russia was going to do with its SPETNATZ forces to knock alot of NATO's aircraft out,in the hours leading up to the start of WW3 in Germany.

All fair points and my statement was a massive generalization, however I still think some of them are seriously over zealous.
From memory it wasn't Jeff Cooper although I used to enjoy his writing, specifically Coopers Corner.

tudderone · 18-10-2020 4:15pm

Do you think that if they were not overly zealous, they would still be able to own what they do own in America ?

Grizzly 45 · 18-10-2020 5:55pm

tudderone wrote: »

Four boys being naughty, i wonder if their firearms certs will be taken ?

https://www.midlands103.com/news/midlands-news/four-men-prosecuted-for-wildlife-breaches-in-the-midlands/

Hope they ialso nvest in a bloody printer,and an updated computer programme to prevent another disaster like this year from happening again.:P

It's like this puff piece in todays indo.
All vey well doing such and commendable,[although I doubt I'd call the UK version world class,as they cant even control illegal coursing with it either]. If you don't have the behind the scenes mechanics and manpower working 100% too,all this will just fall apart.
https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/rural-crime/new-wildlife-crime-unit-to-tackle-illegal-hunting-and-destruction-of-habitats-39637691.html?fbclid=IwAR1HVx9Pj3_g9H15hFFqvTz6yozfSfv-Mv5_Q0CF8MkVey6kED9rgMcWuFM

Feisar · 18-10-2020 7:33pm

tudderone wrote: »

Do you think that if they were not overly zealous, they would still be able to own what they do own in America ?

Oh definitely not. I’ll go back in the corner and keep quiet!

Mellor · 19-10-2020 12:53am

tudderone wrote: »

Do you think that if they were not overly zealous, they would still be able to own what they do own in America ?

I do understand Feisar's point to be fair.

We all know Americans operate under a given right to own arms, which obvious leads to a certain amount of zealotry. And being completely honest, we're all slightly jealous at the options they have compared to our own. And it's only the 1% nutjobs that are an issue. But it's also only nutjobs that Joe Soap hears about on the news, those cases are what gives give regular shooters, in Ireland and elsewhere, a bad image among the uneducated masses.

tudderone · 19-10-2020 1:03am

Mellor wrote: »

I do understand Feisar's point to be fair.

We all know Americans operate under a given right to own arms, which obvious leads to a certain amount of zealotry. And being completely honest, we're all slightly jealous at the options they have compared to our own. And it's only the 1% nutjobs that are an issue. But it's also only nutjobs that Joe Soap hears about on the news, those cases are what gives give regular shooters, in Ireland and elsewhere, a bad image among the uneducated masses.

Yes, but its a bit like us losing nearly everything back in the early 70's when the poo-storm started up in the north. Us losing our pistols and centrefire rifles made not tuppence worth of difference to what went on. But Dessie O'Malley or whoever could stand up and say they were "Doing something".

Ditto what went on in Australia, New Zealand, the UK etc etc, there is an atrocity, an outcry and surprise surprise, the ptb want to be seen to be "Doing something". Everyone knows it won't make any difference, so why bother ?

BattleCorp · 19-10-2020 7:45am

Feisar wrote: »

Oh definitely not. I’ll go back in the corner and keep quiet!

Give an inch and they'll take a mile. That's 100% the Irish authorities attitude when it comes to firearms.

I used to consider myself pretty reasonable and tried to see things from the authorities side. Take measures to reduce crime, I'm ok with that........................ But as I get older, all I can see is take, take, take by the authorities and the laws are doing sweet fcukall to reduce crime. The laws are only affecting law abiding citizens. Every couple of years something is chipped away from our sport. Soon there'll be nothing left.

I absolutely can see why the NRA in the States fight tooth and nail not to give one single inch.

Mellor · 19-10-2020 7:48am

tudderone wrote: »

Yes, but its a bit like us losing nearly everything back in the early 70's when the poo-storm started up in the north. Us losing our pistols and centrefire rifles made not tuppence worth of difference to what went on. But Dessie O'Malley or whoever could stand up and say they were "Doing something".

Of course it didn't make a blind bit of difference to the troubles.
But I don't think that's related to my underlying point either. Law abiding shooters losing CF rifles and pistols would never be the logical conclusion from the situaton I describe. However logic is optional with the gubberment.

tudderone · 19-10-2020 12:55pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

Give an inch and they'll take a mile. That's 100% the Irish authorities attitude when it comes to firearms.

I used to consider myself pretty reasonable and tried to see things from the authorities side. Take measures to reduce crime, I'm ok with that........................ But as I get older, all I can see is take, take, take by the authorities and the laws are doing sweet fcukall to reduce crime. The laws are only affecting law abiding citizens. Every couple of years something is chipped away from our sport. Soon there'll be nothing left.

I absolutely can see why the NRA in the States fight tooth and nail not to give one single inch.

The NRA is a dirty word to shooters in America now, GOA is where its at now.

Grizzly 45 · 19-10-2020 8:12pm

Needs to shift out the La Pierre monarchy.Re incorporate in some different state and trim off the fat and wastage. And above all stop looking it is willing to compromise on every damn thing because the Fudd contingent is strong with them... GOA and JPFO are "no compromise" groups,but they haven't the numbers or the disciplined grassroots org that the NRA has,and they need that BADLY to make a difference in DC.

tudderone · 19-10-2020 8:58pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDjcPiB15KQ

Xtrail14 · 23-10-2020 9:25pm

Didn’t think this query warrants a new thread so ask here, is it only when you get the license you see if you get a moderator. From what I read it’s an S on the licence.
Is it known from the grant letter?

Cass · 23-10-2020 9:31pm

Yes.

The grant letter does not state if the suppressor was granted, you only find out when the license arrives.

Xtrail14 · 23-10-2020 9:34pm

Thanks Cass, if it isn’t is it a case of just accept that decision or appeal it?

Cass · 23-10-2020 11:41pm

Sorry for the delay, but my notifications for replies is lagging.

Short answer is yes, appeal.

Long answer is talk to the Super first, see if a meeting can be had and try to sort it out. If that fails seek a letter of refusal as you'll need this to appeal otherwise the refusal is word of mouth and the refusal is in "limbo" making an appeal almost impossible. Then lodge the appeal in court (doesn't cost much), and see if it gets overturned or as does happen the Super changes his/her mind before the court date.

The best advice i can give anyone is submit a good application. Give all the reason for needing a suppressor, and this usually Removes the Super's ability to refuse as you have shown you have done your homework and are prepared.

Grizzly 45 · 24-10-2020 1:33pm

FWIW, I'd also suggest that if the super says he will grant it with conditions attached, no matter how stupid they sound, to take it. I have a ridiculous condition that I can only use my.22 silencer on my own property and on ranges. But I can use my .308 anywhere I'm hunting or on a range in the 26. Go figure.

You can always appeal the conditions as vexatious and unreasonable at a later stage once you have the can on the end of your gun, which is the main point of this whole exercise.:)

BattleCorp · 24-10-2020 1:51pm

I applied for a moderator on an application about 5 years ago. When the licence arrived, no magic S on it. Went into the station, asked what the problem was. The Garda said she'd look into it. About 2 days later she came back and said someone forgot to tick the box for the moderator and that they'd sort it out. Four days after that I had the licence with the S on it.

tudderone · 26-10-2020 7:10pm

German ex-spy chief warning that the chinese are on track for world domination. Wouldn't be surprised if this cursed virus was unleashed deliberately.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8879791/China-close-world-domination-Europe-wake-danger-German-spy-chief-says.html

Grizzly 45 · 26-10-2020 8:15pm

Always had my doubts about Merkel from the get-go.
Even though my German fam are staunch CDU/CSU supporters [ CSU Bavarian state badge name party of CDU which is like FF on steroids and protein supplements...]
Came up too much in the GDR political system as a party brat and tout on her school and university classmates to the STASI to be a bit too dodgy to become a wholesome capitalist overnight and take on the role of Germany and the EU[SSR].
Even her dad was weird.:eek::eek:As a Lutheran pastor,he moved into the GDR, when anyone sane was desperately trying to leave by any means possible to the West. Many paid with their lives in the effort to get to freedom.

She has been described as "Honeckers Rache"[Honecker's revenge][ Eric Honecker the deposed GDR dictator who died in South America always swore he would take revenge on W Germany and Europe for destroying the Communist state...Think he is succeeding with Angelika.:eek:

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