Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

oldgit1897

Cass wrote: »

.............. and another one.

The man is a complete buffoon.

Cass

Another fine example Fine Gael. TD claims full expenses including checking into the Dail even though he spent the last two years in Brussels.

oldgit1897

Cass wrote: »

Another fine example Fine Gael. TD claims full expenses including checking into the Dail even though he spent the last two years in Brussels.

Should be sacked and run out of the place. The irish are too tolerant of this crap.

Cass

€100,000 a year in salary and €51,000 a year in expenses? For a TD!

A Minister gets the same, and then a second salary for the office they hold. So €100,000 a year salary, €25,000 - €51,000 a year in expenses, Ministerial salary of €41,000 to over €85,000 (Taoiseach) and then they also have Ministerial expenses.

Varadkar spent nearly €176,000 on the Taoiseach credit card in the last year. In the two years since he took office he also spent €400,000 on food and drink for "engagements" and over €500,000 on videos for social media/propaganda. So in Two years he has cost an estimated €1,500,000.

Why do we have a President that cost double that if the Taoiseach is doing the same functions?

Cass

Its not just the money, the lies and the fraud committed by Fine Gael party its the things that are not as publicised.

The Ryan Commission in to child sexual abuse has had figures that were drastically undervalued. the figure of 170,000 abuse victims is only about 25% of the actual numbers. Then there are the steps Fine Gael have taken to obstruct and destroy these victims including:

• Removing the three commission reports into the child sex abuse fromt eh FOI Act. IOW you cannot get the information.
• Seal away records for 75 years so no one can get the information
• Introducing legislation that makes it illegal for people that are victims to discuss or write about their abuse
• The above point has led to victims not coming forward for fear of prosecution
• No legislation for people to get their own records of adoption.

There are more things done. Watch this video and see what FG are doing to victims of sexual abuse and think of the court "sentences" of abusers and it might become clear what is happening in "Gud ould Catholic Ireland".

https://twitter.com/rtebrainstorm/status/1169197547027607552?lang=en


As this is the same FG Government that says it's sorry to the victims of the cervical smear scandal but continue to make them fight in court and then use the same company to continue getting testing done, is it a shock? :mad::(

Cass

Watching the unfolding story of the shooting in London and something has just been said by a Police officer, higher ranking one.

Reporter - It seems that members of the public were first to confront and try to apprehend the suspect?
Police officer - Yes, and this will always be the case.

Yet guns, RTKBA, knives, spray, stun guns, forks, poo on a stick are all illegal for the public to own. Only terrorists and criminal scum can have such things. :rolleyes:

oldgit1897

Cass wrote: »

Watching the unfolding story of the shooting in London and something has just been said by a Police officer, higher ranking one.

Reporter - It seems that members of the public were first to confront and try to apprehend the suspect?
Police officer - Yes, and this will always be the case.

Yet guns, RTKBA, knives, spray, stun guns, forks, poo on a stick are all illegal for the public to own. Only terrorists and criminal scum can have such things. :rolleyes:

These incidents are because society is breaking down in the UK and across much of Europe, Malmo in Sweden is a mess and is only getting worse. There was an excellent Programme on BBC about the MET police, parts of london are war zones, stabbings and shootings over postcode gangs are rife, yet if the police do anything heavy, like stop and search,they are accused of being racist. They cannot win.

oldgit1897

They were all on top of the attacker and suddenly the police got away and then he was shot. He must have had a bomb vest on.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7739057/Gun-shots-heard-London-Bridge-police-confirm-incident-area.html

Cass

Frankly i don't care what he had or did not. The police acted correctly and swiftly, but if history is anything to go by you'll see some or all of the police team on trial within a year for offending someone's sensibilities. :rolleyes:

solarwinds

I cant remember if it was the French or the English that said, if confronted with a situation like that, they would shoot first and find out after, if the person had something on them or not. You cant argue with that logic in fairness.

oldgit1897

Cass wrote: »

Frankly i don't care what he had or did not. The police acted correctly and swiftly, but if history is anything to go by you'll see some or all of the police team on trial within a year for offending someone's sensibilities. :rolleyes:

It was confusing, everybody on top of him and then jumping off him, before the copper gave him the good news with the mp5. I was waiting for magic grandpa corbyn to come out with some nonsense. But he didn't, amazingly.

Cass

My opinion is who am i to question the Cop on the scene in the moment.

We speculate, and rightly so, on many events, their causes, outcomes, and the rights and wrongs of it. However in a split second, and after the civilians have cleared off him, the cop sees a bomb vest and reacts. Better one dead scumbag than dozens dead from the terrorist blowing himself up.

Coincides with this. Knife attack in Netherlands.

tac foley

Cass wrote: »

Watching the unfolding story of the shooting in London and something has just been said by a Police officer, higher ranking one.

Reporter - It seems that members of the public were first to confront and try to apprehend the suspect?
Police officer - Yes, and this will always be the case.

Yet guns, RTKBA, knives, spray, stun guns, forks, poo on a stick are all illegal for the public to own. Only terrorists and criminal scum can have such things. :rolleyes:

I object strongly to your comment.

I am not a criminal.

I am a member of the public.

...and I have guns.

Cass

Welcome back. I missed the self flagellation and deprecation you regularly bring. It's nice to have to explain everything i write ten times over but here goes.

tac foley wrote: »

I object strongly to your comment.

That and €3.50 will get you a coffee.

I am not a criminal.

If you say so.

I am a member of the public.

If you say so.

...and I have guns.

Bully for you.

If you took your head out of your self pitying ass for a few seconds, read the thread, my previous post specifically, and the context of my comments so far you'd know i was saying it in terms of criminals having access to weapons (and yes, they're weapons in this instance) yet the public cannot have so much a sharp word to defend themselves.

However you jog on with your pity party. I'll be here when its over as i haven't the stomach for them.


Once again, welcome back. :rolleyes:

Lone hunter 22wmr

It was just on the radio that lad from the knife attack, he was arrested before for threatening to blow up something before so they done the right thing by not giving him a chance.

Grizzly 45

So a Polish lad went and grabbed a NARWAHL tusk out of the local fishmongers[a nice pointy bit of ivory about 5ft long in this case] and ran TOWARDS the sound of battle on London bridge.:D... [The Poles in FUN PL are issuing a Narwahl morale patch to commerate the event].

It's a sad state of affairs when Britions must defend themselves from depredation and attacks with bits of ivory,fire extingushers,beer bottles and plastic chairs and skateboards,as in the last attack,and have the Poles do their fighting for them again,[as in RAF,Battle of Britan,etc]

Wonder was the conversation aftr the event like this ? "Oi mate!You got a liscense for that pointy thing there?...No?Your'e nicked mate for avin an offensive ..er..weapon in a public place an for attackin that poor defenceless terrorist goin about his lawful busisness!" In the UK these days,it wouldn't surprise me.

deezell

Cass wrote: »

1. €100,000 a year in salary and €51,000 a year in expenses? For a TD!
2. A Minister gets the same, and then a second salary for the office they hold. So €100,000.......
3. Why do we have a President that cost double that if the Taoiseach is doing the same functions?

1. €100,000 a year is the average salary in Google, no election or public persecution required, just be handy with a keyboard.
2. The CEO of a similarly sized organization as a Department of health or finance would likely earn ten times that.
3. To protect the constitution primarily, and prevent coups. His role could not be more different than that of Taoiseach. Recall that the late Brian Lenihan senior contacted President Hillary to appeal for emergency government power for CJ Haughey and Fianna Fail, a fact he later denied. Hillary rightly refused. The president is also our leading ambassadorial diplomat. It's partly a public figure/celebrity role these days. He's paid less than some RTE presenters.

Grizzly 45

Except our system of govt is modeled on the US system. Where all three branches of the executive must be in lock for legislation to pass.Ever since that Irish American school teacher from Buree,went and fuked it up in the 30s,this has never happened. The office of president has no veto power of law or executive .
The Senate here is a expensive retirement home for also rans,had beens ,wannabes,comeback kids,no hopers,academics who hate everything in the West and is an utter oligarchy of political parachute ins, or that can be elected only by people who attend the "right"universities in Dublin!And WE have the audacity to criticize other countries about their bad goverments???
So ,umm...yeah ,value for money in a CEO in google VS a mobile rubber stamp and attached at the hip wife,that praises Socialist 3rd world hell holes ,were people are eating garbage and their family pets...?

Cass

deezell wrote: »

1. €100,000 a year is the average salary in Google, no election or public persecution required, just be handy with a keyboard.

There is no persecution because of the salary of a TD. There is "judgement" on someone earning over €2,000 a week needing €1,000 a week extra for "expenses".

Especially one that has the lowest Dail attendance, but someone managed to "clock in" while pending the last two years in Brussels. So cherry picking a single point and ignoring the context of the post does not support your rebuttal.

2. The CEO of a similarly sized organization as a Department of health or finance would likely earn ten times that.

Yup, and a private company is not in the least bit the same as a public office.

3. To protect the constitution primarily, and prevent coups.

I know what the constitution says, but in real world situations, what is the difference? The President has no veto power and the best he can exercise is a 7 day "stall" of an financial legislation to confirm its legal. At which point s/he must sign it.

His role could not be more different than that of Taoiseach.

My point is the President is meant as a figure head (to represent and "advertise" Ireland to the world) so the Taoiseach should not be spending the vast sums of money he is trying to do the same.

He's paid less than some RTE presenters.

That is a weak argument. The President is paid less than a lot of others not only in Ireland but around the world, however the argument, or more accurately my argument, is not to validate the position of President it is to criticise the expenditure of the office of the Taoiseach on functions that are best served by the President (seeing as how we have one, he might as well fulfill a role).

As the Dail oversees its own expenses and wages including pay rises and pensions ( non contributory ones at that) there is no real oversight bar a expense account committee for "show".

I've often defended, if that is the right word, the high wages of CEOs, company directors, even charity chairmen. In a capitalistic system you get paid what the market will bear, and bonuses are paid on a performance basis. Whether i think what Zuckerberg or Bezos gets paid is morally right or not is irrelevant.

Ireland is a Republic. Those in the Dail represent us and they work for us, not the other way around. Even if you don't agree with my points about their salaries and expenses you must agree that the wanton waste of public finances on Hospitals, voting machines, commissions (that are buried), tribunals, foreign aid, etc. is a result of mismanagement that in Google or Amazon or any other company would see the CEO fired/sacked.

Grizzly 45

So maybe there is a way to stop thos gun crazy Yanks from tooling up even further?Stop talking about banning guns if you are a political canditate![Beto O Rourke and Co take note] Gun sales dropped once Trump went into office,and started climbing again this year with the Dems wanting to ban them....Imagine our AGS having to deal with 200 plus thousand new applications on ONE day!:D

https://tribunist.com/news/americans-bought-enough-guns-on-black-friday-to-arm-the-marine-corps-yet-again/?utm_source=zulu&fbclid=IwAR0NOx53hYgatSkIb9oAzJGR_bSjDbliCq2U5WHCwjbTIVod4OM5fsS4jCA

Grizzly 45

****BREAKING NEWS****

EToJ rejected the Czech case against the Directive, based on the grounds of public safety, as expressed in the following:

"With a view to abolishing border controls within the Schengen area, the Firearms Directive established a harmonised minimum framework for the possession and acquisition of firearms and their transfer between Member States. To that end, that directive lays down provisions concerning the conditions subject to which various categories of firearms may be acquired and held, while laying down, on the basis of requirements of public safety, that the acquisition of certain types of firearm must be prohibited.
In response to certain terrorist acts, the European Parliament and the Council adopted, in 2017, the contested directive in order to introduce stricter rules for the most dangerous, deactivated and semi-automatic firearms. At the same time, that directive also intends to facilitate the free movement of certain weapons by laying down inter alia marking rules."

At the same time let me quote Article 84 of the EU Treaty:

"The European Parliament and the Council, acting in accordance with the ordinary legislative procedure, may establish measures to promote and support the action of Member States in the field of crime prevention, excluding any harmonisation of the laws and regulations of the Member States."

PROMOTE, SUPPORT and EXCLUDING ANY HARMONISATION.

Yet, the EToJ has rejected the case, thus breaking the EU Functioning Treaty.

Do you still under any illusion, that the ruling is not a political one?

yubabill

Not in the least surprising, unfortunately.

Typical EU doublespeak and deflection.

Glad I voted against Lisbon...twice.

Grizzly 45

yubabill wrote: »

Not in the least surprising, unfortunately.

Typical EU doublespeak and deflection.

Glad I voted against Lisbon...twice.

Who knows,your vote might have created the butterfly effect that changed history.:p:)

Grizzly 45

Some of the best Fox Vs Eagle pics I've seen inawhile.

https://www.boredpanda.com/wildlife-photography-eagle-fox-fighting-over-rabbit-kevin-ebi/?media_id=wildlife-photography-eagle-fox-fighting-over-rabbit-kevin-ebi-11-5b0661f866c0c__880&fbclid=IwAR32MWCotCIehNGFZn8aUE908TMgpMyV3kf7TkLzGzg-ksp7NrHMHJ_umEE&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

tudderone

Cass wrote: »

Varadkar spent nearly €176,000 on the Taoiseach credit card in the last year. In the two years since he took office he also spent €400,000 on food and drink for "engagements" and over €500,000 on videos for social media/propaganda. So in Two years he has cost an estimated €1,500,000.

It seems verruca spent quite a bit of that money jetting off to get isis/isil rubbish, the likes of that Smith cow back here, because "Its the compassionate thing to do". Its obscene in my opinion.

Grizzly 45

Limerick man Ian Mc Gill is individual world target shooting champion.:D:D

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/500768/limerick-man-wins-world-target-shotgun-championship.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Limerick man Ian Mc Gill is individual world target shooting champion.:D:D

A slug-gunner ! Fair play to him.

Cass

Son of a b.....................


Won two scratch cards. Won nothing. Big surprise. Then i look at the "winning" numbers on both cards. If they were swapped with each other i'd have €21,075 on one and €15,600 on the other.

Anyone any good with arts and crafts, specifically gluing stuff together.

Cass

HAH.



Maybe now people will realise the TV/news and other media are lying to you. I know it's only an exit poll and the same type of polling data was used in 2016 to say hillary was going to win, but even if it off by 10% it's still a Conservative majority.

Corbyn is toxic to Labour and twice the party had a chance to remove him and didn't. Maybe now they will.

Ubbquittious

Jeez. The big brex might actually happen!

No doubt there will be another twisht in de tail though