Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

Cass

There is always room for something, but two years ago the Con. needed the DUP to maintain a Government and the DUP wanted to stay. They also had to put up with a 268 seat Labour party that opposed EVERYTHING regardless of content.

Now they have the majority and such a majority that even with some "defectors", within their own party, against Brexit happening the Conservatives will have enough to vote it through.

Lone hunter 22wmr

Talk about safety.

https://youtu.be/r5capbhKlVA

Grizzly 45

And you can drink beer at the range too.:P

tudderone

The eu ? Well there was a German economist on the telly the other night saying that Von der leydens new plan for a "Green deal", could lead to the current eu's entire budget doubling or even more, for very little return as most of the eu countries are already low carbon. France has the most nuclear power plants and she wants rid of them too, dunno why as nuclear is no problem carbon-wise, so thats either going to lead to a massive bill to demolish and replace them, or the french will tell her to get knotted and thats another major row. Maybe the Brits are getting out before the subs to the eu spiral.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/von-der-leyen-demands-budget-funding-to-meet-eu-plans-1.4104943

Grizzly 45

And in Ireland we play the usual hypcroites on social issues :mad:
."Oh no! We are Nuclear-free in Ireland!Wouldn't want one of them things on OUR soil[Too right you dont,considering the sort of real life cast from The Smpsons,who would be managing,building and running one:rolleyes:]..."But we have no trouble building an interconnector with France and buying nuke produced electricity off them!" "While selling the gulliableIrish sheeple that giant bird mincers and chinese made solar panels wil solve all our energy needs and we'll all live in a non producing C02 free land driving electric vechicles and not burning so much as a matchstick to solve the climate emergency hoax.:rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

Ms Von der Leyen, who is heading this week on her first foreign trip to Addis Ababa, said that she wanted to emphasise her and the commission’s commitment to Africa by a visit to the headquarters of the African Union.

That's if the Luftwaffe VIP transport jet can get Ushi & Co down there for some press and virtue signalling.Seeing her disasterous handling of the German defence portfolio has left the entire German Heer in a worse condition than what it was in May 1945,it's questionable that the Luftwaffe VIP jet is even airworthy at the present time,since some gobdaw poked it with a forklift earlier this year,after it had to be grounded after some technical problems with Merkel aboard on the way to some climate change hoaxers convention.:D:D:D:D

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Ms Von der Leyen, who is heading this week on her first foreign trip to Addis Ababa, said that she wanted to emphasise her and the commission’s commitment to Africa by a visit to the headquarters of the African Union.

A touch of the Emma Thompson's right there. Jetting halfway around the world to finger-wag the plebs about co2 emissions :mad:.

Grizzly 45

Must be soo superior to do that..All us us plebs use SKYPE and Whattsapp video conferencing to do our busisness.Guess our betters have never heard of that?:rolleyes:

yubabill

We are on a losing trip with the EU for two reasons;

1. US geopolitical policy - Trump is going isolationist again and EU, Russia, China do not figure in the plan either economically or militarily, mostly due to declining demographics in all 3.

Long video, but once you start, you will watch it all and want more;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfyrURHpUcM


2. Grizz is right about climate change, it's a fraud, take it from me as a chemist. I have read a lot of scientific papers in the last year, looking to find proof that CO2 is causing climate change/warming. Looking at ice core data, at no stage in the geological record has CO2 increased before temperature. Looking at the chemistry of the atmosphere, CO2 is not capable of warming the planet, even at huge levels. Two Irish scientists have proven this using weather balloon data (the temperature records are being "adjusted" as we speak, but they have not got to the balloon data yet).
So the EU is proposing trillions of our money in spending on a folly, including compensating nations affected by climate change.

Grizzly 45

I'd highly recommend everyone reads two books[kindle] or amazon if you prefer paper. "Watermelons The Green movements true colours" by Peter Dingpole,he's the guy who broke the Climategate scandal[Remember that one?Be hard pushed to find that one these days]
and "Green Tryanny Exposing the totalitarian roots of the climate industrial complex "by Rupert Darwall and an industry is right.It is worth almost half a Trillion dollars globally at this point in time ,if not more.

Read them with an open mind,and if you dont come away with the feeling we are being sold a very dangerous pup that has changed from Communist Red to Eco Green,then you are a lost cause.

Cass

yubabill wrote: »

Long video, but once you start, you will watch it all and want more;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfyrURHpUcM

Watched it, then watched most of it a second time. That was educational, informative, eye opening and i'd be truly interested if some of his predictions come to pass. Great video.

2. Grizz is right about climate change, it's a fraud, take it from me as a chemist.

I remember this war cry from when i was a teen and that was 30+ years ago. Every decade Al Gore or some other "celebrity" was decrying our way of life and saying the sky was falling. Then it never happened so we got the excuse of the "wrong model" but now it's coming in the next ten years.

I'm not a believer in most conspiracy theories and i'll chose doubt over belief when i'm not sure. My reason for saying this is the data, actual hard data, does not support it (the climate change narrative that is). We are being fed, i won't say lies, but a certain portion of the narrative and being blinded to the whole picture. Recently even David Attenborough was found to be doing this. He done a documentary which showed Walrus falling to their death off a cliff because of climate change. He never mentioned that this happened back in the 80s and also failed to elaborate on the population explosion due to a ban on hunting and the fact that all the animals chose the same spot to return to to breed.

The same with the "starving polar bear" picture. It was shown to be a "false flag" climate repercussion and the Nat. Geo had to apologise for their story and documentary.

The numbers being cited by the UN have been, according to one side of the argument, falsified and massaged to support the agenda of the UN, and the papers which support climate change claim to have thousands of Doctors and scientists signatures, but again they fail to mention that some of those signatories are Professors/Doctors of English, Math, history, and every other topic not even remotely associated with a basic understanding of climatology, meteorology, etc.

Then we move onto the celebs that bash us for not making a difference while jetting around the world, a 16 yr old with learning difficulties that has never suffered a days hardship in her short life, and bartenders from New York politicians that speak out of the side of their mouths for the sole purpose of scaring the living s**t out of us while using the imaginary or perhaps more aptly named, unproven, claim that it [climate change] will kill us all in 12, sorry 9 years.

Even if it were all true what solutions have they offered? Workable ones that are based in reality and not on Unicorn farts and fairy dust.

So the EU is proposing trillions of our money in spending on a folly, including compensating nations affected by climate change.

An exposé by the BBC [i think] into the EU (Parliament, commission, etc) about 4 years ago showed the vast and i mean VAST sums of money they pay themselves and award themselves in salary, benefits, school allowances for their children, travel, clothing, staff, etc. and as climate change will be a never ending issue it is the golden Goose of revenue streams.

Then look at how they spend, what they do actually spend, on the "problem". 64% of recyclable waste is not recycled in the UK and Ireland. Manufacturers of products list what is recyclable and what is not and if you look carefully, as i have, you'll be shocked at the amount of packaging that is not actually recyclable. Wind farms and solar power is a pipe dream that accounts for less than 1% of total power requirements in most countries and less in most other countries. It has devastating effects on wildlife, habitat, and CO2 footprint in the manufacturing process is in most cases far more than what the item will return in power production.

We can do more to keep things cleaner and recycle more, but that focus should be on the offenders and not those that are currently improving. China, India, and America are the three largest producers of waste/CO2 in the world. America has dropped it's output by almost 2% in the last few years to 15% of the world total while China and India have increased their output to a combined total of over 65%, in just TWO countries.

9 out of the 10 most polluted rivers are in Asia. They import other countries waste and dump it in rivers and other methods which are not even in the slightest way renewable. They are increasing their coal burning plants, manufacturing plants and other CO2 producers, but the focus by Greta and her ilk is steadily focused on countries that are improving and where she will not be "put up against a wall" for voicing her opinion while the true culprits are given a pass for fear of economical and social persecution for something as simple as accusing them.

Grizzly 45

Hey young fellah!:D
Some of us old curmudgeons can remember being told this stuff back in the early 1970s in school.We should be under or on a 2.5mile thick glacier that we were assured would cover Ireland down to about the Dingle peninsula.

Then ,between being being assured of nuclear armageddon,and nuclear Winter[started by the evil Americans of course,],we were assured we wouldnt be able to go outside unless we dressed like extras from a rubber fetish porn film due to acid rain!! Then it was forest die back,then ozone holes at the poles,then glaciers retreating,or advancing,too much or too little snow on the mountains,cant remember which...Then the Amazon rain forest should be long gone by now as according to WWF,and green peace ,a 100 square miles per DAY were bing destroyed,so they must be at the border of Sthn Mexico by now at that rate of logging,which was about the early 1990s..

Then the bigget snake oil salesman ever,Al Gore,[the guy who claimed to have invented the internet]came out with his fraud film an inconvient truth[or an inconvient lack of non faked evidence] and started this panic off further,and now strangely we are back to the belif in global cooling,as the sun goes into a 8 year little or no sun spot activity.So back to were we were 54 years ago.
So excuse me if I am a tad skeptical!!

Now we have an unqualified in anything autistic Swedish teenager berrating the world and to belive the science...I do alright,the science that says this is the biggest SCAM and CON JOB ever pulled on mankind.

With faked evidence,no logical debate,but plenty of ad hominen attacks ,and deplatforming on any who dare challenge the "settled science" and not buy into the childrens crusade of the 21st century,I see history of the prevous century starting to repeat ifself under a Green jackboot on one foot and a Red one on the other.

yubabill

Makes my blood boil every time I hear "97% of scientists agree.."

Eminent figures have been fired, ostracised, have had funding removed along with various ways of being silenced if they speak truth to power on this issue.

And the recent reports of "11,000 scientists call for action on climate" was an online petition from a climate website signed by Arts majors, social scientists, climate activists and one person named Mickey Mouse.

And by the way, if someone has a degree with "Science" in the title, it's not science.

yubabill

Rant part 2;

The Obamas just bought a $15m house by the sea somewhere salubrious in the US.

The biggest proponent of climate catastrophe and sea level rise.

If you're reading, Mr. and Mrs. Obama, I will gladly swap my house for your new one by the sea, if you are worried about sea level/melting glaciers making it worthless.

Grizzly 45

Wel Al Gore bought a 9million beachfront property ...in 2010...Would have thought a mountain top retreat would be a smarter investment going by him claiming the oceans would rise and flood out the LA basin as well as Dublin??
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/noel-sheppard/2010/05/03/stunning-pictures-al-gores-new-9-million-mansion-media-total

Did a bit of researsch on the 190"professors & scientists" that signed the first Fridays for future "protest manifesto here in Dublin...Intresting to note,that about SIX of them from TCD,UCD,Trinity,etc have any sort of qualification even remotely related to weather,athmospherics, etc...Unless it is cunningily disguised in courses like "modern dance and jazz music history." As one such worthy academic teaches.:rolleyes:

Birdnuts

yubabill wrote: »

Makes my blood boil every time I hear "97% of scientists agree.."

Eminent figures have been fired, ostracised, have had funding removed along with various ways of being silenced if they speak truth to power on this issue.

And the recent reports of "11,000 scientists call for action on climate" was an online petition from a climate website signed by Arts majors, social scientists, climate activists and one person named Mickey Mouse.

And by the way, if someone has a degree with "Science" in the title, it's not science.

One of the top independent climate scientists in this country(Prof Ray Bates) has been effectively banned from RTE after he called out the BS on the matter during a debate on Prime Time with Eamon Ryan a couple of years ago. We now have to put up with the likes of George Lee who RTE present as some sort of climate "expert" - "clown" would be closer to the truth!!

Grizzly 45

yubabill wrote: »

Rant part 2;

The Obamas just bought a $15m house by the sea somewhere salubrious in the US.

The biggest proponent of climate catastrophe and sea level rise.

If you're reading, Mr. and Mrs. Obama, I will gladly swap my house for your new one by the sea, if you are worried about sea level/melting glaciers making it worthless.

Ah come on...They had to RENT a utter hovel now in DC they are that hard up!And it looks like they managed to do a Rent to buy deal with the landlord.I mean FFS,the place is an utter kip,that needs fixing up,Its one step up from the Washington Highlands projects now.:eek: https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/real-estate/news/g2535/obama-new-house-photos/

Grizzly 45

Remember what happened to David Bellamy[RIP] in the BBC when he said this was all bolix as well?

Are we woke yet??:P

tudderone

Birdnuts wrote: »

One of the top independent climate scientists in this country(Prof Ray Bates) has been effectively banned from RTE after he called out the BS on the matter during a debate on Prime Time with Eamon Ryan a couple of years ago. We now have to put up with the likes of George Lee who RTE present as some sort of climate "expert" - "clown" would be closer to the truth!!

RTE, 60 Million in the red, a clic of brother-in-laws, daughters, washed up footballers and "de man of de peeple" who does one hour a day on radio, all getting lotto win-esque salaries, as "stars" :rolleyes:. I long for the day that kip is sold off and they all get their p45's.

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Remember what happened to David Bellamy[RIP] in the BBC when he said this was all bolix as well?

Are we woke yet??:P

I was looking at some of the guardianista's on twitter when magic grandpa lost the election in the UK last week. Anyone who disagree's with their line, is automatically branded something, a facist or something like that and shunned. Much as i dislike Pier Morgan, his taking the piss out of them was priceless

tudderone

Poop hitting the fan in Virginia USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHojVTKGiNw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLh5BdAGv6E

Grizzly 45

Or how to flip your state to being instantly pro gun.WTF Virginians voted these gun grabbers in in the 1st place is beyond me. This is going to get very ugly if the Dems keep pushing this agenda.But if they want a a boogaloo in some of the best gureilla country on the East coast,and turn Richmond into Kandahar Mk2,well then,lets dance!:eek::mad:

tudderone

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Or how to flip your state to being instantly pro gun.WTF Virginians voted these gun grabbers in in the 1st place is beyond me. This is going to get very ugly if the Dems keep pushing this agenda.But if they want a a boogaloo in some of the best gureilla country on the East coast,and turn Richmond into Kandahar Mk2,well then,lets dance!:eek::mad:

Its the cities that have gone dem, they have the numbers to swing it and seem to be trying to. I did hear Bloomberg is behind it, financing it etc.

Grizzly 45

Wouldnt surprise me with that fuk Blomberg!:mad: Trying his hand now as the Anti Trump.Still he is polling less thn 3% at the moment. Be intresting to see if this does kick off,how the cities will manage without power,water and internet and full blown riots that would make the LA riots look polite in comparison.They'll be using whatever of the national gaurd and police forces just trying to keep order there to be worried about gun confiscation.:(

riffmongous

Birdnuts wrote: »

One of the top independent climate scientists in this country(Prof Ray Bates) has been effectively banned from RTE after he called out the BS on the matter during a debate on Prime Time with Eamon Ryan a couple of years ago. We now have to put up with the likes of George Lee who RTE present as some sort of climate "expert" - "clown" would be closer to the truth!!

First of all, Ray Bates is not independent. He is closely associated with a UK based anti-climate lobby group, headed by an expert on 'cultural studies' and physical exercise.

Secondly maybe his 'ban' is actually due to what was described as his 'wilful misrepresentation' of scientific findings during a report for this lobby group

Wilful misinterpretation of AR5 attribution findings

Ray Bates begins by claiming that the central attribution statement of AR5 is:
It is extremely likely that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together.
And that the statement did not necessarily assert that more than half of the warming is due to human influences. He goes on to contend that SR1.5 departs from AR5 in contending that all the warming is due to human influence.

Why is this a wilful misinterpretation of AR5? Well, the complete statement rather than a partial lift is:
It is extremely likely that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by the anthropogenic increase in greenhouse gas concentrations and other anthropogenic forcings together. The best estimate of the human-induced contribution to warming is similar to the observed warming over this period.
Spot the difference? It’s this:
The best estimate of the human-induced contribution to warming is similar to the observed warming over this period.
I see no other way to describe this presentation other than wilful misinterpretation.

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#To conclude

Ray has had a long and distinguished career. But that career has been in atmospheric dynamics and not climate. Yes, both are to do with the atmosphere, but when your toilet is backing up you call the plumber and not the electrician. In the same way when looking for guidance on climate change it is advisable to listen to the climate scientists of which there are many thousands the vast majority of whom (and I mean vast) concur with the broad findings of the IPCC and various national assessments and national academies that climate change is real, its due to us, and that our choices now are of critical import. Equally, if you want to discuss the intricacies of atmospheric dynamics please don’t come knocking at my door!

The analysis of Ray Bates is not a peer reviewed paper and finding substantive flaws in it is really not that hard. This has taken me all of an hour of an evening. Compare and contrast to the rigor of the IPCC assessment process with multi-author teams, multiple drafting meetings, substantive rounds of in-depth review, and final sign off on the summary word by word with the governments of the world. Only the most robust findings survive such a process. It is to borrow a colloquialism like contrasting night and day. I know who I’m going to pin my choices as to the future for my kids on. It’s the guys saying this:

http://icarus-maynooth.blogspot.com/2018/12/addressing-stated-concerns-from-ray.html

Grizzly 45

ompare and contrast to the rigor of the IPCC assessment process with multi-author teams, multiple drafting meetings, substantive rounds of in-depth review, and final sign off on the summary word by word with the governments of the world. Only the most robust findings survive such a process. It is to borrow a colloquialism like contrasting night and day.

Two words...CLIMATEGATE:p:p:p:p:p:p Looki t up to show what sort of utter nonsense that statement is .

tudderone

It was on Bloomberg that this so-called "green deal" of von der leyen's, is going to cost the eu 1 trillion euros ! Thats not magic money picked off a tree, its Joe Soap paying his vat, income tax etc that money.

riffmongous

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

ompare and contrast to the rigor of the IPCC assessment process with multi-author teams, multiple drafting meetings, substantive rounds of in-depth review, and final sign off on the summary word by word with the governments of the world. Only the most robust findings survive such a process. It is to borrow a colloquialism like contrasting night and day.

Two words...CLIMATEGATE:p:p:p:p:p:p Looki t up to show what sort of utter nonsense that statement is .

Hardly. How many of the conspiracy claims actually stood up in the end? Oh apparently the scientists tried to get a denier kicked out, the man him self says he stood down at the end of his term.. because his term was up. Another that they tried to exclude some paper, paper was still cited in the report.

Grizzly 45

Actually ALL of them,But the Warmisst dont want that inconvient fact known that They were caught with both hands firmly in the doctoring of evidence cookie jar.
Why not after all if you are shovelling in the cash for peddling politics posing as [junk ]science.you'll of course attack and abuse anyone questioning your very dubious "scientific " facts.
Funny that the Warmists will never actually debate and say "prove us wrong" on their research?No,they go into shreiking "Climate change denier" and "non peer researched" ad homeinen attacks on anyone daring to challeng their "proven science":rolleyes: [Same like gun banning loons actually] Rather then let their science and results stand and speak for itself.After all that IS the basis of science...Prove a theory with a result,that anyone can reproduce to prove the result.
But hey what do we know???obviously history of Jazz and modern dance "professors" from UCD are obviously in the better know about this field.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

riffmongous wrote: »

Hardly. How many of the conspiracy claims actually stood up in the end? Oh apparently the scientists tried to get a denier kicked out, the man him self says he stood down at the end of his term.. because his term was up. Another that they tried to exclude some paper, paper was still cited in the report.

BTW they werent conspircy claims .They were LEAKED emails between the supposedly foremost minds in this field in the UK in the Climate Research Unit in the University of East Anglica.The kind of people that Govts listen to for advice?Discussing such diverse things in 1079 emails and 72 documents;

Doubting their own results on climate change

Doctoring and trying to ignore the Mediveal warm period as it didnt fit the "hockey stick" graph

Fantasies of beating up Climate change skeptics

Conspircy to suppress evidence
And most scary how to deplatform anyone with a dissenting voice!

As well as conspiring and comitting a criminal offence under the freedom of information acts of deleting files and information when it was specifically requested in a FOIA request.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/06/250-plus-noteworthy-climategate-2-0-emails/