To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

This German study (copied from main thread) has 50% asymptomatic rate for children.
Now as we know children are less likely to experience noticeable symptoms from this, so it seems improbable that 80% of all infections could be asymptomatic - unless there is something new going on with the virus in terms of mutation or in terms of how it is responding to distancing and masks.
https://www.cell.com/med/fulltext/S2666-6340(20)30020-9

CalamariFritti wrote: »

You just have to throw the WHO figures into a calculator.
WHO thinks that the true number of infections is 20 times higher than the reported number and therefore 10% of the world's population have been in contact with the virus to date.
One would think that these large numbers of undetected cases are undetected because these people didn't come forward with serious or any symptoms.
It is a fair assumption to make that 80% is probably too low a figure.

I am not convinced. At the height of our first wave you couldnt get tested even with symptoms unless in priority group.
You are including them in figures above.

But regardless of the real percentage, in the context of this thread all the more reason to wear a mask.

robinph wrote: »

Similar to the main proof that the moon landings were not faked is that the Russians never disputed them, the wearing of masks being due to some global secret plan to reset the world economy can also be shown to be nonsense because nobody other than a few crazy people on the internet are making the claim.

The Russians never disputed anything because it would have undermined their own position, ie. shown up that all their own 'space explorations' were a sham also. Narratives around the cold War and other historical conflicts are just the tip of the iceberg, and in many instances there is collusion beneath the surface. Often one faction will get dragged into a lie that benefits a competing faction, as to call them out on it would acutely jepordize their own position. Just look at Trump's backpeddling on Covid for an example.

Our perception of the natural world, its materiality, and our expectations around what is possible and impossible, are all of major concern to these powers. It is the principle means by which we are controlled.

Graham wrote: »

Sometimes it's a good idea to read the entire article.

You would be asking too much from some people. They are barely able to read title of the article.

weldoninhio wrote: »

From one of the links i sent. You don't "test positive" without getting tested :rolleyes:

Oddly enough I know two, one in April and one last month who got the phone call that they had "tested positive".. neither had actually been tested.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Any help with fogging glasses? Nothing seems to work.

Sealing the gaps on the face either side of the nose solved it for me. The 'V' shaped bridge piece enables the mask/covering to fit snugly against the face. Lighter wire might be easier to manage though, however it worked out fine.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113759955&postcount=3392

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Any help with fogging glasses? Nothing seems to work.

I use a cambridge mask. It creates a proper seal so you dont get any fogging.

What are the best commercially available masks from the point of view of :

(a) protecting the wearer and

(b) preventing those in the vicinity of the wearer?

Is goggle wearing in combination with much practiced or effective?

https://www.thejournal.ie/gardacctv-luas-protest-footage-5252925-Nov2020/

LUAS PROVIDER TRANSDEV said it will hand over CCTV to gardaí following an incident on a tram this evening involving anti-mask protesters.After they boarded the tram without face coverings, they began berating members of the public who were complying with the rules. In videos shared online, some of the men involved insulted female passengers and were engaged in what appeared to be threatening behaviour.

The video was streamed on Facebook Live by organisers of a protest called “the Freedom Rally”.

In the livestream, protesters could be seen walking up and down a busy Luas, chanting songs about face masks and waving tricolours. In another incident, a woman approaches the protesters to tell them to behave and to wear masks. One protester asks for a hug to which the woman replies “I don’t want you to touch me” to which a protester asks “why”?
Others passengers tell them to put on a facemask.
Gardaí confirmed that they are investigating the incident and they are aware of the social media videos. A statement read: “An Garda Síochána will investigate this matter and the advices of the Director of Public Prosecutions will be sought in respect of any further actions to be taken.“Gardaí are aware of videos circulating on social media showing a number of individuals on public transport not complying with public health regulations.”

Some videos of the alleged incident here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/soundmigration/status/1323308792193470464

Correction #1: The title should have read: "Gardaí launch investigation after anti-mask protesters filmed berating Luas passengers"

What a shower of idiots.
Attention seeking idiots at that.

Another expert in this area is Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD a Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist with a PhD in Pharmacology, with special interest in neurotoxicology, environmental medicine, neuroregeneration and neuroplasticity:

"The reinhalation of our exhaled air will without a doubt create oxygen deficiency and a flooding of carbon dioxide. We know that the human brain is very sensitive to oxygen deprivation. There are nerve cells for example in the hippocampus that can't be longer than 3 minutes without oxygen - they cannot survive.

The acute warning symptoms are headaches, drowsiness, dizziness, issues in concentration, slowing down of reaction time - reactions of the cognitive system.

However, when you have chronic oxygen deprivation, all of those symptoms disappear, because you get used to it. But your efficiency will remain impaired and the under-supply of oxygen in your brain continues to progress.

We know that neurodegenerative diseases take years to decades to develop. If today you forget your phone number, the breakdown in your brain would have already started 20 or 30 years ago.

While you're thinking that you have gotten used to wearing your mask and rebreathing your own exhaled air, the degenerative processes in your brain are getting amplified as your oxygen deprivation continues.

The second problem is that the nerve cells in your brain are unable to divide themselves normally. So in case our governments will generously allow as to get rid of the masks and go back to breathing oxygen freely again in a few months, the lost nerve cells will no longer be regenerated. What is gone is gone.

I do not wear a mask, I need my brain to think. I want to have a clear head when I deal with my patients, and not be in a carbon dioxide-induced anaesthesia.

There is no unfounded medical exemption from face masks because oxygen deprivation is dangerous for every single brain. It must be the free decision of every human being whether they want to wear a mask that is absolutely ineffective to protect themselves from a virus.

For children and adolescents, masks are an absolute no-no. Children and adolescents have an extremely active and adaptive immune system and they need a constant interaction with the microbiome of the Earth. Their brain is also incredibly active, as it is has so much to learn. The child's brain, or the youth's brain, is thirsting for oxygen. The more metabolically active the organ is, the more oxygen it requires. In children and adolescents every organ is metabolically active.

To deprive a child's or an adolescent's brain from oxygen, or to restrict it in any way, is not only dangerous to their health, it is absolutely criminal. Oxygen deficiency inhibits the development of the brain, and the damage that has taken place as a result CANNOT be reversed.

The child needs the brain to learn, and the brain needs oxygen to function. We don't need a clinical study for that. This is simple, indisputable physiology. Consciously and purposely induced oxygen deficiency is an absolutely deliberate health hazard, and an absolute medical contraindication.

An absolute medical contraindication in medicine means that this drug, this therapy, this method or measure should not be used, and is not allowed to be used. To coerce an entire population to use an absolute medical contraindication by force, there must be definite and serious reasons for this, and the reasons must be presented to competent interdisciplinary and independent bodies to be verified and authorised.

When, in ten years, dementia is going to increase exponentially, and the younger generations couldn't reach their god-given potential, it won't help to say "we didn't need the masks".

How can a veterinarian, a software distributor, a businessman, an electrical car manufacturer and a physicist decide on matters regarding the health of the entire population? Please, dear colleagues, we all have to wake up.

I know how damaging oxygen deprivation is for the brain, cardiologists know how damaging it is for the heart, pulmonologists know how damaging it is for the lungs. Oxygen deprivation damages every single organ.

Where are our health departments, our health insurance, our medical associations? It would have been their duty to be vehemently against the lockdown and to stop it and stop it from the very beginning.

Why do the medical boards issue punishments to doctors who give people exemptions? Does the person or the doctor seriously have to prove that oxygen deprivation harms people? What kind of medicine are our doctors and medical associations representing?

Who is responsible for this crime? The ones who want to enforce it? The ones who let it happen and play along, or the ones who don't prevent it?

It's not about masks, it's not about viruses, it's certainly not about your health. It is about much much more. I am not participating. I am not afraid.

You can notice, they are already taking our air to breathe. The imperative of the hour is personal responsibility. We are responsible for what we think, not the media. We are responsible for what we do, not our superiors. We are responsible for our health, not the World Health Organisation. And we are responsible for what happens in our country, not the government."
( https://www.sott.net/article/442455-German-Neurologist-Warns-Against-Wearing-Facemasks-Oxygen-Deprivation-Causes-Permanent-Neurological-Damage .)