To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

martingriff

brianhere wrote: »

Another expert in this area is Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD a Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist with a PhD in Pharmacology, with special interest in neurotoxicology, environmental medicine, neuroregeneration and neuroplasticity:

"The reinhalation of our exhaled air will without a doubt create oxygen deficiency and a flooding of carbon dioxide. We know that the human brain is very sensitive to oxygen deprivation. There are nerve cells for example in the hippocampus that can't be longer than 3 minutes without oxygen - they cannot survive.

The acute warning symptoms are headaches, drowsiness, dizziness, issues in concentration, slowing down of reaction time - reactions of the cognitive system.

However, when you have chronic oxygen deprivation, all of those symptoms disappear, because you get used to it. But your efficiency will remain impaired and the under-supply of oxygen in your brain continues to progress.

We know that neurodegenerative diseases take years to decades to develop. If today you forget your phone number, the breakdown in your brain would have already started 20 or 30 years ago.

While you're thinking that you have gotten used to wearing your mask and rebreathing your own exhaled air, the degenerative processes in your brain are getting amplified as your oxygen deprivation continues.

The second problem is that the nerve cells in your brain are unable to divide themselves normally. So in case our governments will generously allow as to get rid of the masks and go back to breathing oxygen freely again in a few months, the lost nerve cells will no longer be regenerated. What is gone is gone.

I do not wear a mask, I need my brain to think. I want to have a clear head when I deal with my patients, and not be in a carbon dioxide-induced anaesthesia.

There is no unfounded medical exemption from face masks because oxygen deprivation is dangerous for every single brain. It must be the free decision of every human being whether they want to wear a mask that is absolutely ineffective to protect themselves from a virus.

For children and adolescents, masks are an absolute no-no. Children and adolescents have an extremely active and adaptive immune system and they need a constant interaction with the microbiome of the Earth. Their brain is also incredibly active, as it is has so much to learn. The child's brain, or the youth's brain, is thirsting for oxygen. The more metabolically active the organ is, the more oxygen it requires. In children and adolescents every organ is metabolically active.

To deprive a child's or an adolescent's brain from oxygen, or to restrict it in any way, is not only dangerous to their health, it is absolutely criminal. Oxygen deficiency inhibits the development of the brain, and the damage that has taken place as a result CANNOT be reversed.

The child needs the brain to learn, and the brain needs oxygen to function. We don't need a clinical study for that. This is simple, indisputable physiology. Consciously and purposely induced oxygen deficiency is an absolutely deliberate health hazard, and an absolute medical contraindication.

An absolute medical contraindication in medicine means that this drug, this therapy, this method or measure should not be used, and is not allowed to be used. To coerce an entire population to use an absolute medical contraindication by force, there must be definite and serious reasons for this, and the reasons must be presented to competent interdisciplinary and independent bodies to be verified and authorised.

When, in ten years, dementia is going to increase exponentially, and the younger generations couldn't reach their god-given potential, it won't help to say "we didn't need the masks".

How can a veterinarian, a software distributor, a businessman, an electrical car manufacturer and a physicist decide on matters regarding the health of the entire population? Please, dear colleagues, we all have to wake up.

I know how damaging oxygen deprivation is for the brain, cardiologists know how damaging it is for the heart, pulmonologists know how damaging it is for the lungs. Oxygen deprivation damages every single organ.

Where are our health departments, our health insurance, our medical associations? It would have been their duty to be vehemently against the lockdown and to stop it and stop it from the very beginning.

Why do the medical boards issue punishments to doctors who give people exemptions? Does the person or the doctor seriously have to prove that oxygen deprivation harms people? What kind of medicine are our doctors and medical associations representing?

Who is responsible for this crime? The ones who want to enforce it? The ones who let it happen and play along, or the ones who don't prevent it?

It's not about masks, it's not about viruses, it's certainly not about your health. It is about much much more. I am not participating. I am not afraid.

You can notice, they are already taking our air to breathe. The imperative of the hour is personal responsibility. We are responsible for what we think, not the media. We are responsible for what we do, not our superiors. We are responsible for our health, not the World Health Organisation. And we are responsible for what happens in our country, not the government."
( https://www.sott.net/article/442455-German-Neurologist-Warns-Against-Wearing-Facemasks-Oxygen-Deprivation-Causes-Permanent-Neurological-Damage .)

God I wonder how doctor and surgeons survive

Tork

That post about oxygen deprivation has been debunked.

martingriff

Tork wrote: »

That post about oxygen deprivation has been debunked.

Did it really need debunking though. How many profession wear masks in there work

odyssey06

brianhere wrote: »

Another expert in this area is Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD a Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist with a PhD in Pharmacology, with special interest in neurotoxicology, environmental medicine, neuroregeneration and neuroplasticity:

What utter fradulent garbage without merit or foundation.
The only thing they are an expert in are lies.

This conspiracy theory trash has been utterly and debunked.
Repeatedly.

Tork

martingriff wrote: »

Did it really need debunking though. How many profession wear masks in there work

True. I doubt anybody was ever going to bother reading that ridiculously long post anyway. I put that doctor's name into Google and David Icke came up beside it. That and bitchute. That tells you everything you need to know. We're in quack central. Having Dr or Professor in front of one's name does not mean they aren't crackpots.

odyssey06

Tork wrote: »

True. I doubt anybody was ever going to bother reading that ridiculously long post anyway. I put that doctor's name into Google and David Icke came up beside it. That and bitchute. That tells you everything you need to know. We're in quack central. Having Dr or Professor in front of one's name does not mean they aren't crackpots.

David should have stuck to harmless quasi scifi ideas about prehistory.

Loose lips cost lives.

Jim_Hodge

brianhere wrote: »

Another expert in this area is Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson MD,

Brian, She's an oddball. Just look at where she is being reported on- all whack job sites.

But, you're determined to keep looking for the conspiracy that fits your agenda. After all what was it you posted?

Ah yes...

Its a plague of shocking arbitrary state power and tyranny though. Which needs to be resisted.

Polar101

McHardcore wrote: »

The video was streamed on Facebook Live by organisers of a protest called “the Freedom Rally”.

I guess it's catchier than Scumbag Gathering.

I take the aim of this Freedom is to alienate as many people as possible? It's working pretty well.

Treppen

What is the story with these people ?

https://twitter.com/soundmigration/status/1323308792193470464?s=20

Ohmeha

Sewer rats

Spanish Eyes

Green Line I presume

gmisk

Absolute scumbags

ShineOn7

Already in the Dublin thread https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115147810#post115147810

Very dodgy vibe from all of the anti maskers in that vid and it'd make you wonder where all this is leading to in Dublin's city centre.

Yet a-fúcking-gain the Guards are nowhere to be seen and why didn't the Luas driver stop the vehicle until they got off?

I'd bet money a few of them have seen the inside of a prison cell before and if there was no pandemic they'd be scumming it up doing something just as bad

Seanergy

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Already in the Dublin thread https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115147810#post115147810

Very dodgy vibe from all of the anti maskers in that vid and it'd make you wonder where all this is leading to in Dublin's city centre.

Yet a-fúcking-gain the Guards are nowhere to be seen and why didn't the Luas driver stop the vehicle until they got off?

I'd bet money a few of them have seen the inside of a prison cell before and if there was no pandemic they'd be scumming it up doing something just as bad

Sadly the Guards were their, protecting the entrance to HSE building during the protest, defo missed oppotunity to nab them all boarding Luas maskless.

Thankfully the protestors made some excellent video footage of their behaviour, which is now with the Guards.

Away With The Fairies

Treppen wrote: »

What is the story with these people ?

https://twitter.com/soundmigration/status/1323308792193470464?s=20

I think I know now why there's high numbers in Dublin.

Seanergy

Gardai warned however, that they can’t take any action unless they receive a report or a complaint from a ‘relevant person.’

Under the emergency coronavirus legislation, a ‘relevant person’ is defined as an on-duty public transport worker or an on-duty National Transport Authority worker.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/gardai-copmlaint-luas-security-1099910

odyssey06

Seanergy wrote: »

Gardai warned however, that they can’t take any action unless they receive a report or a complaint from a ‘relevant person.’
Under the emergency coronavirus legislation, a ‘relevant person’ is defined as an on-duty public transport worker or an on-duty National Transport Authority worker.
https://www.newstalk.com/news/gardai-copmlaint-luas-security-1099910

In this specific instance, there appeared to be public order offences in progress.
Really useless stuff again from AGS.
Easier to setup a pointless checkpoint somewhere.

CalamariFritti

Graham wrote: »

Wasn't her theory already debunked by multiple credible sources?

Reuters Fact Check on Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson's claims

VERDICT
False. There is no evidence that face masks cause oxygen deprivation that damages brains or limits development. It is also inaccurate to say face masks have no effect on limiting the spread of COVID-19. Research shows masks can be an effective way to prevent transmission when combined with social distancing and eye wear.

Seriously?

Can? When combined? With fkn eye wear?

Are we having a laugh? That what we call a fact check debunk?

pjohnson

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Seriously?

Can? When combined? With fkn eye wear?

Are we having a laugh? That what we call a fact check debunk?

The fact check is that the masks dont cause oxegen deprivation.

The efficacy is a separate point.

3xh

pjohnson wrote: »

The fact check is that the masks dont cause oxegen deprivation.

The efficacy is a separate point.

To be fair, the fact check says, ‘there is no evidence......’

That does not mean, ‘there is evidence to show they do not limit oxygen......’

As they say, ‘absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence’

Tork

So if you are ever to have open surgery, you will request that you're operated on by a young surgeon who hasn't had their brains addled due to long-term oxygen deprivation brought on by mask wearing? And you'll also want them to leave their masks off while they operate on you?

weldoninhio

Tork wrote: »

So if you are ever to have open surgery, you will request that you're operated on by a young surgeon who hasn't had their brains addled due to long-term oxygen deprivation brought on by mask wearing? And you'll also want them to leave their masks off while they operate on you?

There is extra oxygen in operating rooms.

“the Surgical areas are oxygen-enriched environments and especially susceptible to fires due to the use of supplemental oxygen“

Surgeon not wearing a mask wouldn’t make much difference.

“Face masks do have a clear role in maintaining the social cleanliness of surgical staff, but evidence is lacking to suggest that they confer protection from infection either to patients or to the surgeons that wear them.“

Any other questions?

Wibbs

weldoninhio wrote: »

There is extra oxygen in operating rooms.

“the Surgical areas are oxygen-enriched environments and especially susceptible to fires due to the use of supplemental oxygen“

This "extra oxygen" you speak of is as your quote(from god knows where) points out coming from supplemental oxygen fed to patients which leaks out. It's a side effect, the environment itself is not designed to be oxygen enriched because of any issues with the wearing of surgical masks. If they could remove that extra O2 they would because of the hazards involved.

weldoninhio

Wibbs wrote: »

This "extra oxygen" you speak of is as your quote(from god knows where) points out coming from supplemental oxygen fed to patients which leaks out. It's a side effect, the environment itself is not designed to be oxygen enriched because of any issues with the wearing of surgical masks. If they could remove that extra O2 they would because of the hazards involved.

Extra oxygen is pumped into surgical areas to keep the air in the room at high pressure to keep bacterias etc out of the room. :rolleyes: People are on oxygen all over a hospital.

Tork

You posted a link from QAnon site before so it's a no-brainer that you believe that rot about oxygen deprivation.

weldoninhio

Tork wrote: »

You posted a link from QAnon site before so it's a no-brainer that you believe that rot about oxygen deprivation.

I never mentioned oxygen deprivation. :rolleyes:

But carry on............:rolleyes:

Tork

Only a matter of time...

Wibbs

weldoninhio wrote: »

Extra oxygen is pumped into surgical areas to keep the air in the room at high pressure to keep bacterias etc out of the room. :rolleyes: People are on oxygen all over a hospital.

Jesus, you really have zero clue about any of this. You do realise(hope springs eternal of any such change) that medical science is trying to reduce the levels of extraneous O2 in hospitals and operating theatres? Oh and in such positive pressure environments that "keep bacterias[sic] etc out" the difference is air pressure is minimal, because it doesn't take much. The difference in O2 levels would also be minimal. Hospitals also have negative pressure areas which include waiting rooms, yet nobody is falling over faint.

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Brian, She's an oddball. Just look at where she is being reported on- all whack job sites.

But, you're determined to keep looking for the conspiracy that fits your agenda. After all what was it you posted?

Ah yes...

In that quoted "article" of tinfoilhattery there was this line: the emerging science of virology now understands that viruses aren’t even passed person to person. Anyone who read that and believes it is either a) woefully ignorant of really basic facts or b) a moron. The author of said article appears to be both, while pimping his wares. God bless America.

weldoninhio

Wibbs wrote: »

Jesus, you really have zero clue about any of this. You do realise(hope springs eternal of any such change) that medical science is trying to reduce the levels of extraneous O2 in hospitals and operating theatres? Oh and in such positive pressure environments that "keep bacterias[sic] etc out" the difference is air pressure is minimal, because it doesn't take much. The difference in O2 levels would also be minimal. Hospitals also have negative pressure areas which include waiting rooms, yet nobody is falling over faint.

In that quoted "article" of tinfoilhattery there was this line: the emerging science of virology now understands that viruses aren’t even passed person to person. Anyone who read that and believes it is either a) woefully ignorant of really basic facts or b) a moron. The author of said article appears to be both, while pimping his wares. God bless America.

If OR's aren't oxygen enriched currently, why would they be trying to reduce the levels? :rolleyes:

SeaBreezes

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Seriously?

Can? When combined? With fkn eye wear?

Are we having a laugh? That what we call a fact check debunk?

Do your own test. Put on a mask use an oximeter. Many many Drs have done this online, easily proven.