To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

weldoninhio

robinph wrote: »

Didn't mean to let this one go.

Have we ever had any explanation for the this masterplan of getting the world population to comply with something because they have been forced to wear face masks?

What is the end game here? Why do all national governments of every flavour want their populations wearing masks? How is this helping them if it isn't anything to do with slowing transmission of a virus? What is to be gained by the government instilling fear from asking people to wear masks?

Is the world actually run by a secret cabal of little old ladies with sewing machines churning out facemasks they they sell for a couple of euros a time on Etsy and they have been waiting for their moment to strike for years before they could finally force us all to wear masks with pretty flowers and rainbows on as the final part of their master plan for world domination?

Propaganda. If no one was wearing masks on the street, you'd barely notice there was a bug going around.

robinph

weldoninhio wrote: »

Propaganda. If no one was wearing masks on the street, you'd barely notice there was a bug going around.

So why are governments world wide all signed up for this mask promoting propaganda? What is the purpose of it for them? What are they trying to achieve? Why are all flavours of government following this same propaganda?

robinph

robinph wrote: »

If this is what the worlds governments are trying to do, and the policy is something set out publicly by the World Economic Forum, they wouldn't be needing to hide the globally agreed policy behind some obscure virus that is apparently just a bit of flu and a requirement to wear masks?

Similar to the main proof that the moon landings were not faked is that the Russians never disputed them, the wearing of masks being due to some global secret plan to reset the world economy can also be shown to be nonsense because nobody other than a few crazy people on the internet are making the claim.

political analyst

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1029/1174575-coronavirus-global/

French schools will require all students aged six and over to wear face masks in class, Prime Minister Jean Castex said ahead of a new coronavirus lockdown starting at midnight.

Until now masks were mandatory only for students 11 and older, but Mr Castex told MPs that new efforts were needed "to protect all our children, teachers and parents."

If public-health specialists didn't recommend in favour of children as young as 6 years wearing masks in class when they recommended it for older children, why would they recommend it now (even with the current surge of Covid cases) , given that there must have been a medical reason not to recommend it for children who haven't even reached the age of 10 years yet?

Sconsey

weldoninhio wrote: »

Partly false hahahahaha. Tomorrow’s Euromillion numbers are 14, 23, 25, 37, 42. And if none of them come out, it’s only partly false hahahaha

That's powerful stuff alright, no need to address the actual question when you can produce this kind of critical thinking.

Thoie

political analyst wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1029/1174575-coronavirus-global/



If public-health specialists didn't recommend in favour of children as young as 6 years wearing masks in class when they recommended it for older children, why would they recommend it now (even with the current surge of Covid cases) , given that there must have been a medical reason not to recommend it for children who haven't even reached the age of 10 years yet?

It's not "not recommended", it's just difficult to get small children to use masks properly. There's no harm to the kids, it's not a medical issue, it's just that you'd tear your hair out trying to enforce it.

moonage

robinph wrote: »

Similar to the main proof that the moon landings were not faked is that the Russians never disputed them, the wearing of masks being due to some global secret plan to reset the world economy can also be shown to be nonsense because nobody other than a few crazy people on the internet are making the claim.

It's not a secret plan. It's out in the open.

That the World Economic Forum are blatantly using the pandemic to further their Great Reset is worrying, to say the least.

robinph

moonage wrote: »

It's not a secret plan. It's out in the open.

That the World Economic Forum are blatantly using the pandemic to further their Great Reset is worrying, to say the least.

It's so out in the open that no government is following the policies to implement it?

How have the World Economic Forum managed to take over the worlds various government health departments and convince them to implement a policy of mask wearing, yet no health minister has come out and said anything about how the World Economic Forum is the body pressuring them to force masks on their populations?


It's entirely sensible that the World Economic Forum are making suggestions that now would be a good time to make some changes to the way the world operates economically ... that doesn't equal the idea that they are behind some conspiracy to make the world wear masks though.

ceadaoin.

When I saw the thread title I thought you meant actual infants, as in babies. Theres no reason why a 6 year old can't wear a mask

Tork

What is your definition of an infant?

Beasty

Threads merged

Graham

political analyst wrote: »

If public-health specialists didn't recommend in favour of children as young as 6 years wearing masks in class when they recommended it for older children, why would they recommend it now

The answer was in the text you quoted

"to protect all our children, teachers and parents."

Beasty

moonage wrote: »

It's not a secret plan. It's out in the open.

That the World Economic Forum are blatantly using the pandemic to further their Great Reset is worrying, to say the least.

Any more conspiracy theory stuff and I'll threadban you

odyssey06

Tork wrote: »

What is your definition of an infant?

If someone said 'an infant', I would think baby.

But first 2 years at primary school are commonly called junior infants and senior infants...

political analyst

Graham wrote: »

The answer was in the text you quoted

A notice at my local bus station that says passengers must wear masks also says masks are not suitable for children under 12 years old. I cannot imagine Bus Éireann putting that on a notice about masks if there wasn't a good reason for doing so.

railer201

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html

Just two short quotes from this Spanish newspaper article, much of which will be familiar to the converted here. We knew about the choir incident in Washington state back in March. Do social distancing guidelines have to be re-thought with particular reference to indoors ?

At present, health authorities recognize three vehicles of coronavirus transmission: the small droplets from speaking or coughing, which can end up in the eyes, mouth or nose of people standing nearby; contaminated surfaces (fomites), although the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) indicates that this is the least likely way to catch the virus, a conclusion backed by the European Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s (ECDC) observation that not a single case of fomite-caused Covid-19 has been observed; then finally, there is transmission by aerosols – the inhalation of invisible infectious particles exhaled by an infected person that, once leaving the mouth, behave in a similar way to smoke. Without ventilation, aerosols remain suspended in the air and become increasingly dense as time passes.

In the spring, health authorities failed to focus on aerosol transmission, but recent scientific publications have forced the World Health Organization (WHO) and the CDC to acknowledge it. An article in the prestigious Science magazine found that there is “overwhelming evidence” that airborne transmission is a “major transmission route” for the coronavirus, and the CDC now notes that, “under certain conditions, they seem to have infected others who were more than six feet [two meters] away. These transmissions occurred within enclosed spaces that had inadequate ventilation. Sometimes the infected person was breathing heavily, for example, while singing or exercising.”

odyssey06

political analyst wrote: »

A notice at my local bus station that says passengers must wear masks also says masks are not suitable for children under 12 years old. I cannot imagine Bus Éireann putting that on a notice about masks if there wasn't a good reason for doing so.

I think I'll trust the WHO more than some jobsworth in Bus Eireann on this.

The WHO:
Children aged 5 years and under should not be required to wear masks. This is based on the safety and overall interest of the child and the capacity to appropriately use a mask with minimal assistance. WHO and UNICEF advise that the decision to use masks for children aged 6-11 should be based on the following factors:

• Whether there is widespread transmission in the area where the child resides
• The ability of the child to safely and appropriately use a mask
• Access to masks, as well as laundering and replacement of masks in certain settings (such as schools and childcare services)
• Adequate adult supervision and instructions to the child on how to put on, take off and safely wear masks
• Potential impact of wearing a mask on learning and psychosocial development, in consultation with teachers, parents/caregivers and/or medical providers
• Specific settings and interactions the child has with other people who are at high risk of developing serious illness, such as the elderly and those with other underlying health conditions

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/question-and-answers-hub/q-a-detail/q-a-children-and-masks-related-to-covid-19

Primary school age kids in South Korea, Israel and other places have been wearing masks.

There's no medical reason why primary school age kids should not wear masks in school, it is down to:
(a) Whether they can be relied upon at that age to wear the masks
(b) If it could interfere with their educational development & language development
(c) How widespread transmission in the community
(d) How contagious they are at that age

Ultimately this isn't really a mask question, it's a question about school age kids and how contagious they are.

Our authorities seem to think primary school age kids aren't much of a risk.
Other countries think they are.
Something along the lines of (c) or (d) has spooked the French authorities into the latter camp.

Tork

I've seen quite a few kids wearing masks when out shopping with their parents. Wearing a mask is no big deal, except to people who have an axe to grind.

CalamariFritti

Tork wrote: »

You declared a page or two ago "the plague killed 25m people, you'd be lucky to get 25m people with a blocked nose from this bug"
If a comment like that isn't dangerous misinformation, I don't know what is.

It's also the truth. Which apparently has now become dangerous misinformation?

brianhere

Btw Macron has recommended wearing the mask at home as well. So its a three stage thing, in shops, then all public places, and then at home. And this will last for years, so there is no question that this will be very bad for people's health.

odyssey06

CalamariFritti wrote: »

It's also the truth. Which apparently has now become dangerous misinformation?

It is an out of context misleading comparison.
Set arbritrary irrelevent comparison... the plague... 25 million.

25 million with a blocked nose... so what? 1 million dead and similar hospitalised. Case numbers surging across Europe.

Those are the numbers that matter.

To compare a pandemic still raging with guesstimates from history for the final toll of a different type of disease is a false comparison.

CalamariFritti

Raging :pac:

robinph

CalamariFritti wrote: »

It's also the truth. Which apparently has now become dangerous misinformation?

Well this seems to suggest that there is currently 11 million with a bit of a runny nose or the covid19 equivalent and having a "mild condition". Then add on the 32 million who have recovered and think we are easily past the 25 million number.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

odyssey06

brianhere wrote: »

Btw Macron has recommended wearing the mask at home as well. So its a three stage thing, in shops, then all public places, and then at home. And this will last for years, so there is no question that this will be very bad for people's health.

Has he?
Can you provide a link to support your first and last sentence.
At the moment they appear to be some stuff you just made up without context or supporting info.

Graham

political analyst wrote: »

A notice at my local bus station that says passengers must wear masks also says masks are not suitable for children under 12 years old. I cannot imagine Bus Éireann putting that on a notice about masks if there wasn't a good reason for doing so.

While I'd just about take bus timetables at face value, I think it's probably fair to say there are better sources of medical advice than the national bus company.

Graham

Tork wrote: »

I've seen quite a few kids wearing masks when out shopping with their parents. Wearing a mask is no big deal, except to people who have an axe to grind.

+1

The adults acting like spoiled children are the only ones ever causing a fuss.

Guy:Incognito

moonage wrote: »

Decades of studies showed that the evidence was weak that masks stop viral transmission.

Suddenly in 2020 that's all reversed. Strange.

Do you think peoples spit getting on your face and other parts of your body would increase the risk of you catching something from them? Or do you reckon it does nothing doesnt spread germs or anything else?


Just talking sends out loads of bits of spit you dont even normally see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66wJFD3bs&t=167s

Away With The Fairies

Any update yet on those visors they were meant to discuss banning?

HSE finally acknowledged airborne transmission. Does this mean workplaces now has to put in measures for the airborne nature of this virus instead of banging on about distancing?

I've seen people sitting in their office thinking they're safe because there's space. God, how did the HSE get away for so long carrying on like this?

pjohnson

odyssey06 wrote: »

Has he?
Can you provide a link to support your first and last sentence.
At the moment they appear to be some stuff you just made up without context or supporting info.

Dear christ dont ask him for a link.

His last link was the totally reliable "MASKS CAUSE CANCER"

Graham

brianhere wrote: »

Btw Macron has recommended wearing the mask at home as well.

Source?