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Limestone Cowboy · 21-09-2015 10:37am

ZETOR_IS_BETTER wrote: »

Lovely animal was he easily calved?

He's belong to the girlfriends father, ya she calved herself.

J DEERE · 21-09-2015 12:05pm

ZETOR_IS_BETTER wrote: »

I scratch my head when people say they eat more
I have sims, lim and hereford, FRxherf and the odd chx and I can say I notice no difference between them. Although I will say that the herefords are greedy feckers at the nut trough. :pac:

Without a doubt they eat more. We've kept them all now at this stage and can honestly say the lim is the easiest kept cow of the lot. Easy keep in condition over the winter and rear a calf at same time.

FRX have a tendency to fall apart if autumn calving and need serious supplementation if you want to keep them at 365 calving interval. Also need to be weaned that bit earlier if spring calved to give them a chance put on some condition before heading in

Miname · 21-09-2015 8:45pm

J DEERE wrote: »

Without a doubt they eat more. We've kept them all now at this stage and can honestly say the lim is the easiest kept cow of the lot. Easy keep in condition over the winter and rear a calf at same time.

FRX have a tendency to fall apart if autumn calving and need serious supplementation if you want to keep them at 365 calving interval. Also need to be weaned that bit earlier if spring calved to give them a chance put on some condition before heading in

I've a few limo x fr and the early autumn Calvers I've no issue with going back in calf and they do milk off their backs and look pretty hungry in the spring. The late autumn Calvers always end up in bits and pure hassle to try and get back in calf and rear the calf. I reckon a lots to do with the extra 5 or 6 weeks grass their getting into them before housing.

J DEERE · 21-09-2015 9:54pm

Miname wrote: »

I've a few limo x fr and the early autumn Calvers I've no issue with going back in calf and they do milk off their backs and look pretty hungry in the spring. The late autumn Calvers always end up in bits and pure hassle to try and get back in calf and rear the calf. I reckon a lots to do with the extra 5 or 6 weeks grass their getting into them before housing.

When do you calf early autumn Calvers? I've noticed a lot of farmers have different ideas of what autumn calving is. We go from August-October with heifers calving that bit earlier in July. Few lads around here calve from November and consider them Autumn calves

Miname · 21-09-2015 10:28pm

J DEERE wrote: »

When do you calf early autumn Calvers? I've noticed a lot of farmers have different ideas of what autumn calving is. We go from August-October with heifers calving that bit earlier in July. Few lads around here calve from November and consider them Autumn calves

August September time. Bulls getting eight weeks this year then held off and back in in for dec January and February calving. My calving spread is all over the place. I've four in to calve at the moment and then nothing for a month . Then there's seven between that and the early spring ones. It's a nightmare, I'm going to let some slip from autumn to spring this year and I've kept the last two from spring to go autumn. Anything I don't like that hasn't gone in calf is getting gate.
The October November cows with a bit of friesain melt altogether but then again I should be probably stuffing them with meal.

J DEERE · 21-09-2015 10:35pm

Miname wrote: »

August September time. Bulls getting eight weeks this year then held off and back in in for dec January and February calving. My calving spread is all over the place. I've four in to calve at the moment and then nothing for a month . Then there's seven between that and the early spring ones. It's a nightmare, I'm going to let some slip from autumn to spring this year and I've kept the last two from spring to go autumn. Anything I don't like that hasn't gone in calf is getting gate.
The October November cows with a bit of friesain melt altogether but then again I should be probably stuffing them with meal.

Much the same here. Went all AI three years ago and some of the Spring Calvers fell into April and May. Made the decision this year to let them run to the autumn herd. Badly need a teaser bull

Farrell · 23-09-2015 9:05am

Got the latest catalogues yesterday, is it just me or are S1565 (Eurogene) & CH2199 (PG) the same bull?

patsy_mccabe · 23-09-2015 9:32am

Farrell wrote: »

Got the latest catalogues yesterday, is it just me or are S1565 (Eurogene) & CH2199 (PG) the same bull?

If you put S1565 into ICBF bull search, it goes to the page for CH2199. So I guess so.

Farrell · 23-09-2015 10:49am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

If you put S1565 into ICBF bull search, it goes to the page for CH2199. So I guess so.

Hopefully he's a good breeder so, or are the all chasing maternal stars

bogman_bass · 23-09-2015 12:20pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

If you put S1565 into ICBF bull search, it goes to the page for CH2199. So I guess so.

Yeah He would have been brought in origionally on an "S code" which is limited to 2000 (I think) doses. When it looked like he would be more popular they had to apply for a full code

Mac Taylor · 26-09-2015 9:47pm

I am trying to get organised for next years ai'ing and could do with a bit of advice, I have 4 lmxfr that I hope to AI next year, they are out of the limousin bull hca and cows are bfxhol 75%\25%. What bull would suit them ideally Limousin. Thanks.

Miname · 26-09-2015 10:02pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

I am trying to get organised for next years ai'ing and could do with a bit of advice, I have 4 lmxfr that I hope to AI next year, they are out of the limousin bull hca and cows are bfxhol 75%\25%. What bull would suit them ideally Limousin. Thanks.

Not too up to date on ai limo but all I'll suggest is something with plenty of muscle. I've guinea pigged a fair few of these types of animals with various breeds and the best match seems to be a really muscly limo. Blonde comes too fine. I'd a charlaois from one today and he came way too big. There a bit hit and miss with char. Sp came nice enough but nothing fancy. Sh came ok if you got heifers, I got all Bulls. If I remember il post up pics if I remember when I'm checking them tomorrow.

patsy_mccabe · 26-09-2015 10:38pm

I always found ADX to be a great bull to bring a lot of squareness to his offspring. His heifers don't grow the tallest though so avoid on small cows. FL21 is a good bull too. Not easy calving, but serious growth and great shape to the hips. My two pence anyway.

limo_100 · 27-09-2015 2:52am

lads how our the ADX heifers getting on with breeding have two coming up just wondering should I sell them or bull in 6weeks??

patsy_mccabe · 27-09-2015 10:13am

limo_100 wrote: »

lads how our the ADX heifers getting on with breeding have two coming up just wondering should I sell them or bull in 6weeks??

Lack of milk is the biggest problem. Only one calved here so far and she has very little milk. ICBF figures showing that too.

croot · 27-09-2015 11:53am

Mac Taylor wrote: »

I am trying to get organised for next years ai'ing and could do with a bit of advice, I have 4 lmxfr that I hope to AI next year, they are out of the limousin bull hca and cows are bfxhol 75%\25%. What bull would suit them ideally Limousin. Thanks.

I have three ZAG calves off the same type of cow calved this month. All unassisted and growing well with good muscle. Very happy with them. He's 5* for both maternal and terminal but low reliability though so he might be 1* in a few months the way those things are going.

Andy Gray · 27-09-2015 12:52pm

Mac Taylor wrote:

I am trying to get organised for next years ai'ing and could do with a bit of advice, I have 4 lmxfr that I hope to AI next year, they are out of the limousin bull hca and cows are bfxhol 75%\25%. What bull would suit them ideally Limousin. Thanks.

Are these maiden heifers? What are you looking to breed? Weanlings, replacements finished cattle? What ai company you deal with?

Mac Taylor · 27-09-2015 4:18pm

Andy Gray wrote: »

Are these maiden heifers? What are you looking to breed? Weanlings, replacements finished cattle? What ai company you deal with?

Sorry should have given a bit more Information. These are maiden heifers that I would like to breed replacements off, looking to add a bit of muscle and compactness to them as height will not be a problem, deal with most of the AI companies and a friendly AI man who will hold staws for me aswell. I do a bit of pedigree breeding and am fairly update on limousins, but have not ever breed from dairy xbreds so looking for advice from those who are already doing this.

tanko · 27-09-2015 4:40pm

Have you ever tried OZS? He's easy calved on cows and works well on bigger framed leggy cows, puts muscle, shape and style into them. I'll have some heifers off him calving to RIO in the spring hopefully.

Just noticed you're talking about maiden heifers, have never used OZS on them. Maybe he'd be a bit risky on heifers.
EBY seems to be well liked on here, easier calved, not great for milk but should be some coming from the heifers side.

Miname · 27-09-2015 6:09pm

tanko wrote: »

Have you ever tried OZS? He's easy calved on cows and works well on bigger framed leggy cows, puts muscle, shape and style into them. I'll have some heifers off him calving to RIO in the spring hopefully.

Just noticed you're talking about maiden heifers, have never used OZS on them. Maybe he'd be a bit risky on heifers.
EBY seems to be well liked on here, easier calved, not great for milk but should be some coming from the heifers side.

I've used ozs and got Bulls on maidens. I think his straws are hard got now.

limo_100 · 28-09-2015 12:17am

tanko wrote: »

Have you ever tried OZS? He's easy calved on cows and works well on bigger framed leggy cows, puts muscle, shape and style into them. I'll have some heifers off him calving to RIO in the spring hopefully.

Just noticed you're talking about maiden heifers, have never used OZS on them. Maybe he'd be a bit risky on heifers.
EBY seems to be well liked on here, easier calved, not great for milk but should be some coming from the heifers side.

I use OZS on maidens for the last few years with no trouble two weeks ago i calved 2 2year old maidens on the same day to him and got to bloody bulls :mad: i'm thinking of using on dit now instead of him

Miname · 28-09-2015 4:56am

limo_100 wrote: »

I use OZS on maidens for the last few years with no trouble two weeks ago i calved 2 2year old maidens on the same day to him and got to bloody bulls :mad: i'm thinking of using on dit now instead of him

On dit is throwing super stock and wouldn't be hard calved.

patsy_mccabe · 28-09-2015 8:45am

Miname wrote: »

On dit is throwing super stock and wouldn't be hard calved.

Have you seen his figures? proven in France too. I used him this year on a purebred cow.

annubis · 28-09-2015 10:14am

i see in the journo dovea have added wilodge joskin to the catalogue, fine looking bull whatever way he works out, they seemed to have improved their limo bulls alot

bogman_bass · 28-09-2015 11:12am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Have you seen his figures? proven in France too. I used him this year on a purebred cow.

Serious bull! When the limo doc had him he was one of their top Bulls for a few years

Charliebull · 28-09-2015 11:26am

LZF, how accurate are his gestation figures, I have a doll due to him next Monday but looking at her this AM Id swear she will calve in the next few days

what sort stock is he throwing

limo_100 · 28-09-2015 11:43am

bogman_bass wrote: »

Serious bull! When the limo doc had him he was one of their top Bulls for a few years

just looking at the book there I wouldn't be to keen on some the new bulls like zag handsome and ice-cream or the tomschoice bulls, but the ZCH bull looks a serious animal I wonder should I use him instead of on-dit as hes a son

limo_100 · 28-09-2015 11:46am

Just for anyone thats looking for quality bull I had an UTL heifer calf in the sping I didnt think an awful lot of her at the time but I can say now she is hands down one of the best heifers I have ever seen width and length feck the 5star scheme she will be kept

bogman_bass · 28-09-2015 1:01pm

Anybody use much GWO?

croot · 28-09-2015 2:10pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

Anybody use much GWO?

I had 6 calves off him in the last two years. Terminal more that maternal I'd say. Great stylish calves that grow well. I sold two 15mth old heifers in spring for 1350 and 1250 so someone must have wanted them for breeding. I've only one weanling heifer off him kept but thinking of selling her.

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