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tanko · 19-09-2015 8:51pm

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Is there any other Simmental breeders in the country they could chance buying a bull off I wonder...

Yeah, you'd imagine they would have looked somewhere else this time. I see they've got a new Lim bull from Elite with the double muscle gene. He'll hardly be easy calved.

Miname · 19-09-2015 9:19pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Only have the 2 APZ calves, both are quiet.
Curaheen Earp is by Cuaheen Vio, who is in the bottom 1% (73% reliability) of the Simmental breed for milk. What are the chences of Earp having milk then. The number one reason to go with a Simmental bull is to add milk. :mad:

I've two purebred heifers off apz out of the same mother, ones springing down and the others just a weanling and I have to say they are completely different animals ones really stylish and the others just a plain butty enough sort of thing, both however are exceptionally quiet.

J DEERE · 19-09-2015 11:41pm

mikeoh wrote: »

I like EBY

Have 10 calves on the ground from him. Very easy calved, all unassisted. Calves developing good shape and length and only month old. Using him, KJB and MBP this year. Going all red lim

mikeoh · 20-09-2015 1:52pm

EBY ticks alot of boxes......but id be greasing the calving jack for MBP

Limestone Cowboy · 20-09-2015 2:42pm

tanko wrote: »

Yeah, you'd imagine they would have looked somewhere else this time. I see they've got a new Lim bull from Elite with the double muscle gene. He'll hardly be easy calved.

It seems very clicky to me who ncbc buy the bulls off anyway. Ardlea/Elite being another example. There has to be Simmental bulls a hundred times better than apz in the country and the same could be said for efz.

Miname · 20-09-2015 2:54pm

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

It seems very clicky to me who ncbc buy the bulls off anyway. Ardlea/Elite being another example. There has to be Simmental bulls a hundred times better than apz in the country and the same could be said for efz.

I've been looking into sims myself for a few replacements and I'm thinking of going with dunmasc genetics they have two sims worth looking at, Direct debit and dragon 12. They have good stars anyway. By the way I've no affiliation to these but outside of importing straws the ratings aren't there on sim.

J DEERE · 20-09-2015 3:29pm

mikeoh wrote: »

EBY ticks alot of boxes......but id be greasing the calving jack for MBP

Had only planned on using him for mature spring calving cows. Can control feed intake and watch them accordingly

Sligoronan · 20-09-2015 3:47pm

ADX won't be to tall.

APZ maybe to tall.

Genghis Cant · 20-09-2015 4:10pm

mikeoh wrote: »

EBY ticks alot of boxes......but id be greasing the calving jack for MBP

We'd no calving issues with MBP. In fact miserable enough calves with us but they develop well.

Miname · 20-09-2015 4:32pm

Sligoronan wrote: »

ADX won't be to tall.

APZ maybe to tall.

[/quote anything I've had I'd say the opposite. Apz low set and adx leggy, what sort of cows are they out of?

Sligoronan · 20-09-2015 4:42pm

APZ off red limousine cow from a shorthorn cow.
ADX off a AA cow off a BB cow.

Miname · 20-09-2015 5:27pm

Sligoronan wrote: »

APZ off red limousine cow from a shorthorn cow.
ADX off a AA cow off a BB cow.

I'd say it's the back breeding, they should make smashing replacements. Has anyone used lisnacran sunny boy or better again has anyone got a picture of him.

Sligoronan · 20-09-2015 5:55pm

Miname wrote: »

I'd say it's the back breeding, they should make smashing replacements. Has anyone used lisnacran sunny boy or better again has anyone got a picture of him.

Don't have space for them so they will down the road in 5 weeks. Started them on crunch 3 weeks ago as they are late March early April calves and wont weigh to much every kg counts at the ring.

Mad4simmental · 20-09-2015 6:56pm

Miname wrote: »

I'd say it's the back breeding, they should make smashing replacements. Has anyone used lisnacran sunny boy or better again has anyone got a picture of him.

not one to be found, bit strange.

Miname · 20-09-2015 7:00pm

Mad4simmental wrote: »

not one to be found, bit strange.

All pics of his progeny and none of him, anyone know the reason.

Limestone Cowboy · 20-09-2015 7:33pm

Zbf bull calf born early February out of a lim x British friesan cow. At least 350kg now without any meal.

Kovu · 20-09-2015 8:30pm

I really don't like simmentals

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ZETOR_IS_BETTER · 20-09-2015 8:39pm

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Zbf bull calf born early February out of a lim x British friesan cow. At least 350kg now without any meal.

Lovely animal

was he easily calved?

Miname · 20-09-2015 8:52pm

Kovu wrote: »

I really don't like simmentals (

You have to admit they make serious cows.

Mac Taylor · 20-09-2015 10:02pm

Miname wrote: »

You have to admit they make serious cows.

A Simmental x ch cow is hard to beat. Have a few of them and they breed very well with the LM.

Miname · 20-09-2015 10:51pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

A Simmental x ch cow is hard to beat. Have a few of them and they breed very well with the LM.

A sim cross limo you get a bit more style. I've a Ba x sim at home rears a cracking calf every year.

mikeoh · 20-09-2015 10:58pm

New PG angus bull treebridge embleton carries the double muscle gene!!!!!,....... time for a dna test

Kovu · 21-09-2015 6:36am

Miname wrote: »

You have to admit they make serious cows.

They take so much feeding though!

eoinmk2 · 21-09-2015 9:18am

Kovu wrote: »

They take so much feeding though!

Does anyone know any actual statistics on suckler cow intakes?

I hear this "take too much feeding" a lot. is it just farmer hear say, or have any actual studies been done?

I'm not arguing they dont eat more, would just like to see some figures. genuinely curious

ZETOR_IS_BETTER · 21-09-2015 9:37am

eoinmk2 wrote: »

Does anyone know any actual statistics on suckler cow intakes?

I hear this "take too much feeding" a lot. is it just farmer hear say, or have any actual studies been done?

I'm not arguing they dont eat more, would just like to see some figures. genuinely curious

I scratch my head when people say they eat more

I have sims, lim and hereford, FRxherf and the odd chx and I can say I notice no difference between them. Although I will say that the herefords are greedy feckers at the nut trough. :pac:

patsy_mccabe · 21-09-2015 9:37am

eoinmk2 wrote: »

Does anyone know any actual statistics on suckler cow intakes?

I hear this "take too much feeding" a lot. is it just farmer hear say, or have any actual studies been done?

I'm not arguing they dont eat more, would just like to see some figures. genuinely curious

Ya, ICBF have a 'Feed Intake' value for all the breeds.

Limousin = -0.47
Saler = -0.28
Charolais = -0.04
Angus = 0.2
Simmental = 0.40

ZETOR_IS_BETTER · 21-09-2015 9:43am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Ya, ICBF have a 'Feed Intake' value for all the breeds.

Limousin = -0.47
Saler = -0.28
Charolais = -0.04
Angus = 0.2
Simmental = 0.40

Interesting figures, must keep a closer eye on the sims this winter

Mad4simmental · 21-09-2015 10:15am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Ya, ICBF have a 'Feed Intake' value for all the breeds.

Limousin = -0.47
Saler = -0.28
Charolais = -0.04
Angus = 0.2
Simmental = 0.40

So lim eat more?
I'd say there is fcuk all between a 600kg ch, lim, sim. The cow with the most milk will require more feed to produce that milk but the calf will put on more KGs.

patsy_mccabe · 21-09-2015 10:17am

Mad4simmental wrote: »

So lim eat more?

You wish.:D No Limousins eat less.

Bullocks · 21-09-2015 10:30am

I've one sim cow and her head is always down eating compared to the AA or lim cows . I still like them as a breed and LCs weanling in a smasher .
Do they take a bit longer to finish over lims and ch cattle . It probably doesn't suit to buy them if they are older and heavier than what's wanted in the factory

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