!! English HL 2015 - ALL things HL English, predictions, discussion etc.

ShaunDaSheep · 03-06-2015 7:20pm

Hulk_buster wrote: »

Is it true that for the comparative you can focus on just two

if it said atleast 2 in the question you only have to give 2 although ost examners will expect 3 and will mark harder if just 2 are used

Epicfish · 03-06-2015 7:24pm

Hulk_buster wrote: »

Is it true that for the comparative you can focus on just two

Depending on the wording of the question.

That being said, considering we were told to aim for at least 4 pages in our comparative answer, I'd never be able to get 4 pages out of 2 of my texts, and I consider myself to be graduated with a PhD from the school of talking bollocks to fill up paper

Hulk_buster · 03-06-2015 7:24pm

Can you mainly focus on two and give minor references to the 3rd

westernfrenzy · 03-06-2015 7:25pm

Epicfish wrote: »

Is it just my English teacher that was mad enough to do Translations by Friel as part of the comparative?

Most of the class are absolutely lost with the stupid play.

It's in my comparative as well. I have no idea why.

Epicfish · 03-06-2015 7:27pm

Hulk_buster wrote: »

Can you mainly focus on two and give minor references to the 3rd

You could, but I'd be afraid of running the risk of the examiner realising that you don't know the 3rd well enough.

It really is up to you though, if you can even learn off snippets of the 3rd piece, I'd recommend that.

Amy0711 · 03-06-2015 7:28pm

Gem957 wrote: »

Are the only irish poets on our course montague, ni chuilleanain and yeats?

Yes! And there's also only 3 female and from studying past papers one of each has come up every single year!

Epicfish · 03-06-2015 7:29pm

westernfrenzy wrote: »

It's in my comparative as well. I have no idea why.

Please tell me you have some idea on how to use the stupid thing? All I've gathered from it is that Lancey's a prick, Owen is a meeting point, and Maire fecked off with Yolland and left Manus a wreck.

Cheerios · 03-06-2015 7:31pm

Epicfish wrote: »

Is it just my English teacher that was mad enough to do Translations by Friel as part of the comparative?

Most of the class are absolutely lost with the stupid play.

We're doing that too. I honestly hate it. It's not that I don't understand it, it's just extremely boring, not to mention short. I have a hard time comparing it to my other comparatives (The Great Gatsby and The King's Speech).

westernfrenzy · 03-06-2015 7:31pm

Epicfish wrote: »

Please tell me you have some idea on how to use the stupid thing? All I've gathered from it is that Lancey's a prick, Owen is a meeting point, and Maire fecked off with Yolland and left Manus a wreck.

Nope. I was out sick when it was being done in my class. I'm just gonna wing it tomorrow.

OMGeary · 03-06-2015 7:32pm

Are you marked easier if you answer a different poet to everyone else

IrishLoriii · 03-06-2015 7:33pm

You know all those students who cried when Heaney came up in paper 1 cause they were so SURE that he wouldn't appear in paper 2 then?? You know all the students who cried in the year of plath?? That will be me if the role of women in Othello doesn't come up

CloooooB · 03-06-2015 7:33pm

Really panicking, only know Donne properly and need reassurance haha HELP

Epicfish · 03-06-2015 7:33pm

OMGeary wrote: »

Are you marked easier if you answer a different poet to everyone else

Well we were always told that making your work stand out from the rest of the pile would always serve us well.

Would the corrector actually apply this? It's really up to them.

ShaunDaSheep · 03-06-2015 7:34pm

is 10 quotes from othello enough to put in an essay or ?

IrishLoriii · 03-06-2015 7:35pm

I don't know how you could be marked easier because the odds of you choosing a poet that no one else does out of the thousands of students of Ireland is a definite 0 like...unless they aren't actually on the paper and you just do em anyway

Elemonator · 03-06-2015 7:35pm

What do you guys think the comparative question will be relating to AMS, HMMTB and INS?

Predictions from teachers?

gracew · 03-06-2015 7:35pm

Can someone give me a basic structure for an othello essay on the role of women please? this is literally the first time I've ever heard of it being a question and I'm so stressed now

Amy0711 · 03-06-2015 7:36pm

Anyone one with a couple of paragraphs on language in othello?

IrishLoriii · 03-06-2015 7:37pm

ShaunDaSheep wrote: »

is 10 quotes from othello enough to put in an essay or ?

My English teacher told me that when an examiner glances over your paper first they are continually thinking oh good job oh well done on getting that in there etc as they read through it and this leaves them with an overall impression of your essay before they go through it properly to actually mark you..how many times do you want your examiner to say Ooh well done? That's how I try and do quotes for exams..he was explaining this to me because I am really bad at grammar and he said this is similar when everytime you make a mistake they sigh until at the end of the paper your overall impression is annoyance at the crap grammar

ShaunDaSheep · 03-06-2015 7:39pm

gracew wrote: »

Can someone give me a basic structure for an othello essay on the role of women please? this is literally the first time I've ever heard of it being a question and I'm so stressed now

id first start and talk about how all three women come from different social backrounds but are all subject to the same prejudices i.e used and abused by men. Then go and talk about Desdemona and how she is faithful to Othello even though he treats her bad etc and do the same with Emilia and Bianca. Just talk about the three women and how they are seen in a certain light by men in Othello

lukewalsh96 · 03-06-2015 7:40pm

Do you need quotes for comparitive and what happens if you forgot to title your short story today!!

DarraghF197 · 03-06-2015 7:41pm

For anyone doing Dickinson, what do you think will be the title? Last year was both disturbs and delights. I'm wondering since most of her poems are about death and bleakness, it could be something about her exploration of extreme states of mind with originality. It would be quite annoying if they did, as I have three more bright poems covered in-depth, which I find far more fascinating than some of her darker poems. Usually they like to ask a question that would cover most poems, so I hope this will be the case again.

My preference going into the day:

1. Hardy/Dickinson
3. Plath
4. Ni Chuilleanáin
5. Montague

IrishLoriii · 03-06-2015 7:41pm

lukewalsh96 wrote: »

Do you need quotes for comparitive and what happens if you forgot to title your short story today!!

Yes you 100% need quotes! Even a few thrown in every here and there but they are essential for your essay

ladderlad · 03-06-2015 7:41pm

lukewalsh96 wrote: »

Do you need quotes for comparitive and what happens if you forgot to title your short story today!!

A bollox i forgot a title asweell

ShaunDaSheep · 03-06-2015 7:42pm

lukewalsh96 wrote: »

Do you need quotes for comparitive and what happens if you forgot to title your short story today!!

you don't HAVE to put in quotes for comparative however it shows a greater extent of knowledge of the texts and you will get marked better

You may lose 2 or 3 marks nothing much, dont worry about that

fin709 · 03-06-2015 7:49pm

Are people learning off othello essays? Would it not make more sense to learn quotes and mould the answer in on the day?

m.xvii · 03-06-2015 7:50pm

fin709 wrote: »

Are people learning off othello essays? Would it not make more sense to learn quotes and mould the answer in on the day?

Exactly what I plan to do! At this stage there's no point in cramming essays. All i did was watch the film one last time.

if832uspx4eogt · 03-06-2015 7:51pm

ladderlad wrote: »

A bollox i forgot a title asweell

Oh holy %#^#. I forgot too. And that was the part I thought I did well in.

gracew · 03-06-2015 7:52pm

ShaunDaSheep wrote: »

id first start and talk about how all three women come from different social backrounds but are all subject to the same prejudices i.e used and abused by men. Then go and talk about Desdemona and how she is faithful to Othello even though he treats her bad etc and do the same with Emilia and Bianca. Just talk about the three women and how they are seen in a certain light by men in Othello

Thank you this helped so much, how long on average should this question be??

m.xvii · 03-06-2015 7:55pm

Poetry: Frost main and Monty/Donne as back up.
Comparative: Praying for theme but could survive on Literary.
Othello: About 30 quotes and praying for the best.

What kills about paper 2 is that we have 200 mins for 200 marks. That equates to one minute per mark, plz no.

andreideeu · 03-06-2015 7:55pm

im doing "the great gatsby" as my single text , would u say i need qoutes ? and how many ?

ShaunDaSheep · 03-06-2015 8:05pm

gracew wrote: »

Thank you this helped so much, how long on average should this question be??

It should be atleast 3 and a half - 4 pages

pa limerick · 03-06-2015 8:13pm

andreideeu wrote: »

im doing "the great gatsby" as my single text , would u say i need qoutes ? and how many ?

I'm doing it aswell what have you covered for it? And I don't have that many quotes about ten in total!

Elemonator · 03-06-2015 8:14pm

HELP AM I SAFE BY DOING NI CHUILLEANAIN, MONTAGUE AND HARDY?

ShaunDaSheep · 03-06-2015 8:15pm

Elemonator wrote: »

HELP AM I SAFE BY DOING NI CHUILLEANAIN, MONTAGUE AND HARDY?

yeah id say your 75% ok

lukewalsh96 · 03-06-2015 8:16pm

Jasmine Magnificent Slugger wrote: »

Oh holy %#^#. I forgot too. And that was the part I thought I did well in.

Will we be marked down much do Ya think?

nermal15 · 03-06-2015 8:17pm

Elemonator wrote: »

HELP AM I SAFE BY DOING NI CHUILLEANAIN, MONTAGUE AND HARDY?

No one can tell you if you're 100% safe. Don't start panic- studying other poets now. Sleep on it and re-evaluate the situation in the morning.

Quarks · 03-06-2015 8:18pm

Elemonator wrote: »

HELP AM I SAFE BY DOING NI CHUILLEANAIN, MONTAGUE AND HARDY?

You're not guaranteed anything.

9de5q7tsr8u2im · 03-06-2015 8:22pm

Lol im the only ****ed person here for poetry in only doing frost and ENC if you guys were in my situation what poet should i quick scan??

We've done plath, yeats and dickinson as the other ones i never revised!!

ecoste · 03-06-2015 8:25pm

Elemonator wrote: »

HELP AM I SAFE BY DOING NI CHUILLEANAIN, MONTAGUE AND HARDY?

I ran some simulations yesterday. Other people did it using math, but the results are practically the same.

All of this is assuming that the poets appear completely randomly, which isn't necessarily the case.

If you've studied 4 poets, 98486 out of 100000 times one of your poets will appear.

If you've studied 3 poets, 92984 out of 100000 times one of your poets will appear.

If you've studied 2 poets, 78659 out of 100000 times one of your poets will appear.

If you've studied 1 poet, it's 50%. 49913 out of 100000 times.

ShaunDaSheep · 03-06-2015 8:25pm

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Lol im the only ****ed person here for poetry in only doing frost and ENC if you guys were in my situation what poet should i quick scan??

We've done plath, yeats and dickinson as the other ones i never revised!!

Dickinson without a doubt

9de5q7tsr8u2im · 03-06-2015 8:26pm

ShaunDaSheep wrote: »

Dickinson without a doubt

Thanks will do!

DarraghF197 · 03-06-2015 8:28pm

LuckyDude12 wrote: »

Lol im the only ****ed person here for poetry in only doing frost and ENC if you guys were in my situation what poet should i quick scan??

We've done plath, yeats and dickinson as the other ones i never revised!!

Dickinson, definitely! If you are playing the risk game, I think it's best to cover a type of poet. Covering Dickinson and Ni Chuilleanáin gives you a 90% chance of having an option, as for the past several years a female poet has come up. And the chances of Plath are extremely low.

You're sorted with Dickinson, Frost and Ni Chuilleanáin. But that doesn't mean you will have an option. It's always a risk.

Epicfish · 03-06-2015 8:30pm

For the love of The Immanent Will, Hardy please come up.

hannahdfghjkl · 03-06-2015 8:32pm

Am I covered with Montague and Donne do you think?

My comparative is Othello, The Great Gatsby and I'm not Scared. The only mode I feel able to do is theme. What questions do you think are likely?

GG396 · 03-06-2015 8:43pm

For the single text, do you need to summarise the story at the start? I hope not, it's such a time suck...
Hoping my bae Montague comes up, I like Ní Chuillenáin but I'm not so confident about how I'd answer for her.

ShaunaM18 · 03-06-2015 8:43pm

Hey guys for poetry I know Eilean NC,Frost,Montague,Donne I also studied Dickinson but did not learn her in detail as she came up last year and has never come up 2 years in a row only Plath seems to do that,would I be safe enough leaving Dickinson out ? On two minds afraid due to all the talk of Eilean she might sneakily come up advice please !

Epicfish · 03-06-2015 8:47pm

ShaunaM18 wrote: »

Hey guys for poetry I know Eilean NC,Frost,Montague,Donne I also studied Dickinson but did not learn her in detail as she came up last year and has never come up 2 years in a row only Plath seems to do that,would I be safe enough leaving Dickinson out ? On two minds afraid due to all the talk of Eilean she might sneakily come up advice please !

Having four poets is generally enough to guarantee yourself at least 1 coming up, unless you're me, and have the luck of a turkey at christmas.

ShaunaM18 · 03-06-2015 8:50pm

Epicfish wrote: »

Having four poets is generally enough to guarantee yourself at least 1 coming up, unless you're me, and have the luck of a turkey at christmas.

I'm just afraid cause I had home ec today had my self convinced fish would come up went in full of confidence and open the page to see eggs which really threw me off ! I'm just gonna risk it thanks anyway !

nermal15 · 03-06-2015 8:52pm

GG396 wrote: »

For the single text, do you need to summarise the story at the start? I hope not, it's such a time suck...
Hoping my bae Montague comes up, I like Ní Chuillenáin but I'm not so confident about how I'd answer for her.

Absolutely no need to summarise the story at any point, that's exactly what examiners don't want to read!

!! English HL 2015 - ALL things HL English, predictions, discussion etc.

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