if we ever had a terrorist attack in ireland ??

twincamman · 08-01-2015 6:25pm #1

serious question ..if we ever had a terrorist attack in Ireland similar to paris..do we have the people to deal with it ? as in trained armed people

lertsnim · 08-01-2015 6:26pm

The Armed Response Unit?

Hande hoche! · 08-01-2015 6:26pm

ERU/ARU and the Rangers.

TwoShedsJackson · 08-01-2015 6:27pm

The Gardai have some Armed Response Unit, they've shot a few over the years, mostly bank robbers if I remember rightly.

Menas · 08-01-2015 6:28pm

Mary Lou.

Hande hoche! · 08-01-2015 6:28pm

Also Liam Neeson assuming one of his family member isn't kidnapped at the time.

ted1 · 08-01-2015 6:29pm

twincamman wrote: »

serious question ..if we ever had a terrorist attack in Ireland similar to paris..do we have the people to deal with it ? as in trained armed people

We've had some. Remember the whole ireland, Northern Ireland thing

Gatling · 08-01-2015 6:29pm

We've some very capable Army Rangers who would deal with this type of situation's .

Kristopherus · 08-01-2015 6:29pm

We've had terrorist attacks in Ireland since 1969. So we're well used to it.

Dog of Tears · 08-01-2015 6:29pm

twincamman wrote: »

serious question ..if we ever had a terrorist attack in Ireland similar to paris..do we have the people to deal with it ? as in trained armed people

There's been loads of terrorist attacks in Ireland.

shruikan2553 · 08-01-2015 6:30pm

Rangers have helped with terrorist stuff before if I remember correctly.

Gatling · 08-01-2015 6:31pm

Dog of Tears wrote: »

There's been loads of terrorist attacks in Ireland.

Bombs triggered by remote and shootings but no sustained assault on civilians

A2LUE42 · 08-01-2015 6:31pm

Can't believe this is a serious question. Why were all cash in transit vans supported the Garda and Army until very recently, do you think.

punisher5112 · 08-01-2015 6:33pm

Op if you mean leaving out the troubles and take into account the types of attacks now, nothing would be done as the country is so pc and everybody is afraid to say how they feel or be branded a racist.

As said above Army would have best trained units for these type of situations as a normal cop would be useless having no weopons.

Putin · 08-01-2015 6:35pm

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

The Gardai have some Armed Response Unit, they've shot a few over the years, mostly bank robbers if I remember rightly.

They've also had a bad habit of shooting each other. Idiots.

smash · 08-01-2015 6:35pm

We could throw iodine tablets at them...

Mesrine65 · 08-01-2015 6:36pm

Kristopherus wrote: »

We've had terrorist attacks in Ireland since 1169. So we're well used to it.

FYP

Micky Dolenz · 08-01-2015 6:36pm

We have more to worry about the RA splinter groups then anyone else. Adare village is one that could have been a lot lot worse considering rounds were shot in the morning on the street.

Arsemageddon · 08-01-2015 6:42pm

Gatling wrote: »

Bombs triggered by remote and shootings but no sustained assault on civilians

Bloody sunday - Brits shot dead 14 civilians
Kingsmill Massacre - IRA shot dead 10 civilians
Greysteel - Loyalists shot dead 8 civilians

riffmongous · 08-01-2015 6:43pm

The Loughisland massacre comes to mind, 2 UVF members walk into a crowded bar and open up with assault rifles, 6 dead and 5 wounded.. how did the police respond? By destroying the evidence

Boring username · 08-01-2015 6:43pm

Sadly, it's not a matter of if, but when there is a major terrorist attack in Ireland. It may surprise you to know that Ireland has supplied the highest number of foreign fighters in Syria and Iraq:

independent.ie/irish-news/news/ireland-tops-list-of-jihadi-fighters-in-foreign-wars-30563746.html

Eventually, a radicalised fighter will return to Ireland and carry out an attack here. Ireland, unlike most countries, does not have a dedicated intelligence unit . All monitoring is carried out by the Army intelligence unit, G2, and by the National Surveillance Unit of the Gardai, which operate on a shoestring budget.

I don't think there will be a 'spectacular' type attack with bombs or aircraft, as these type of attacks require a lot of access to dangerous materials and advanced weaponry. Likewise, a location such as an embassy would be too well defended.
But I do think we could well be facing a Mumbai style attack in the coming years, where a small cell of armed individuals attack a remote location such as a school or hospital where they could inflict massive casualties before the authorities had a chance to respond quickly.

Unfortunately, the public seem to have this 'sure we're Irish, it'll be grand' mentality when it comes to the reality of modern Islamic terrorism.

mrsoundie · 08-01-2015 6:45pm

We could always overload them with some Irish Catholic shame, that would sort them out.

stampydmonkey · 08-01-2015 6:46pm

Unfortunately, the public seem to have this 'sure we're Irish, it'll be grand' mentality when it comes to the reality of modern Islamic terrorism.

Sure we'll just grab a few hurls and lay into them

Holsten · 08-01-2015 6:48pm

Yeah, these guys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garda_Emergency_Response_Unit

WakeUp · 08-01-2015 6:59pm

someone can correct me if Im wrong though counter terrorism/hostage rescue/ hijacking stuff like that is the remit of the danger wing I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ktpY4PrxlM

sjb25 · 08-01-2015 7:06pm

WakeUp wrote: »

someone can correct me if Im wrong though counter terrorism/hostage rescue/ hijacking stuff like that is the remit of the danger wing I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ktpY4PrxlM

Can be but Garda ERU would be more than likely dealing with it in a civil situation as in Paris it's the same a special police unit or swat team is dealing with it but yes army rangers could as well

Gatling · 08-01-2015 7:08pm

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Bloody sunday - Brits shot dead 14 civilians
Kingsmill Massacre - IRA shot dead 10 civilians
Greysteel - Loyalists shot dead 8 civilians

That didn't take long .

Actually I'm thinking more Mumbai, Afghanistan, Pakistan type of sustained attacks

Kermit.de.frog · 08-01-2015 7:10pm

To be perfectly honest I doubt many extremists apart from Sinn Féin could point Ireland out on a map.

srsly78 · 08-01-2015 7:11pm

In a shocking deviation from the norm... Ireland is actually pretty good at something for a change. We have lots of experience in this area.

anncoates · 08-01-2015 7:13pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Mary Lou.

He's talking about dealing with terrorists, not fetishizing them.

Señor Fancy Pants · 08-01-2015 7:16pm

There is plenty of scope for potential attacks within Ireland. It's not something we are immune from because of our geographical location or our loveable nature. It is unlikely but possible.

Realistically, there are plenty of people living here who have strong, definite links to various international terror organisations. Some western nations have highlighted concerns over Ireland potentially being used to stage medium to large scale attacks. It is not something that is beyond possibility.

If an event along the lines of the Paris attack yesterday was to take place here, it would probably end the same. Not because we are under equipped or incompetent. It's down to response times really. This was a largely unpreventable attack. A small determined group with a definite plan, resources, local knowledge with no hesitation to carry out their task. It's a hard thing to defend against, especially when it can happen anywhere at any time.

I believe but am open to correction that, first on scene would be regular AGS members, then ERU/RSU depending where the event takes place. A last resort would be the Army Ranger Wing. None of which would have been in situ quick enough if the timeline was to be the same as yesterday.

We have a long history of internal terror threats from multiple homegrown groups. It's a small country. It is well known that IRA members and others of the various splinter groups have been involved in training with other international terror groups in various places. It's a crazy world we live in but I can't see a case where a planned attack will happen here. A spontaneous retaliation for a perceived injustice against a militant religious group......maybe.

cml387 · 08-01-2015 7:16pm

Like winning the Eurovision, decent terrorism is something we just can't do anymore. Buck up your ideas, Ireland!

PopePalpatine · 08-01-2015 7:16pm

I'd be more worried about this sort of terrorist rather than Islamic terrorists, especially if we ever have a referendum on the 8th Amendment:

My unpopular idea for the day is anyone who supports abortion should themselves be "aborted" just so they get a good feel of what is involved.

CrabRevolution · 08-01-2015 7:18pm

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Rangers have helped with terrorist stuff before if I remember correctly.

Ah now, while many of them were of the Rangers persuasion, I don't think there has ever been any links proven between Rangers and the UVF

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DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-01-2015 7:21pm

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Ah now, while many of them were of the Rangers persuasion, I don't think there has ever been any links proven between Rangers and the UVF .

Big Chelsea and Linfield supporters also.

billyhead · 08-01-2015 7:21pm

Holsten wrote: »

Yeah, these guys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garda_Emergency_Response_Unit

And the ERU are one of the best trained specialized police units in Europe.

The Bould Rabbit · 08-01-2015 7:23pm

I'm assuming the OP is well aware of the whole Northern Ireland troubles and the terrorism that brought to this island and is referring specifically to the new wave of Islamic terrorism sweeping the world such as those witnessed in Paris, Sydney, Ottawa and many other places since 9/11.

And its a bloody good question.

I'd like to think that our security forces can rely on some of the experience they gained through many of the challenges faced during the troubles. However, as time goes by the experienced police and members of the defence forces are being replaced by those with none.

Also, since the Good Friday agreement, the threat of Northern Irish related terrorism has largely diminished and therefore defence budgets have been cut significantly.

So yes, like the OP, I too would like to know how prepared we would be in the event of a terrorist attack.

We don't need history lessons about the six counties. We already know about all that.

Rhys Essien · 08-01-2015 7:25pm

Boring username wrote: »

Sadly, it's not a matter of if, but when there is a major terrorist attack in Ireland. It may surprise you to know that Ireland has supplied the highest number of foreign fighters in Syria and Iraq:

independent.ie/irish-news/news/ireland-tops-list-of-jihadi-fighters-in-foreign-wars-30563746.html

Eventually, a radicalised fighter will return to Ireland and carry out an attack here. Ireland, unlike most countries, does not have a dedicated intelligence unit . All monitoring is carried out by the Army intelligence unit, G2, and by the National Surveillance Unit of the Gardai, which operate on a shoestring budget.

I don't think there will be a 'spectacular' type attack with bombs or aircraft, as these type of attacks require a lot of access to dangerous materials and advanced weaponry. Likewise, a location such as an embassy would be too well defended.
But I do think we could well be facing a Mumbai style attack in the coming years, where a small cell of armed individuals attack a remote location such as a school or hospital where they could inflict massive casualties before the authorities had a chance to respond quickly.

Unfortunately, the public seem to have this 'sure we're Irish, it'll be grand' mentality when it comes to the reality of modern Islamic terrorism.

This is complete hyperbole.What reason will they have to attack here?.Are we going to randomly attack a muslim country?.Are the papers here going to suddenly start mocking Islam.You do realise that Irelands fight for freedom was well admired in the muslim world.

yipeeeee · 08-01-2015 7:27pm

Would our allowance of the use of Shannon make us potential targets someday maybe?

yipeeeee · 08-01-2015 7:28pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

This is complete hyperbole.What reason will they have to attach here?.Are we going to randomly attack a muslim country?.Are the papers here going to suddenly start mocking Islam.You do realise that Irelands fight for freedom was well admired in the muslim world.

Shannon is a pretty strong one.

DeJa VooDoo · 08-01-2015 7:29pm

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Bloody sunday - Brits shot dead 14 civilians
Kingsmill Massacre - IRA shot dead 10 civilians
Greysteel - Loyalists shot dead 8 civilians

Dublin/Monaghan 1974.
Loyalists, with the help of the brits, blew up 33 civilians.

FG/Labour shut down the investigation after 2 months.

Those parties only have things investigated that suit their political agenda.

billyhead · 08-01-2015 7:29pm

Truffle Pig wrote: »

There is plenty of scope for potential attacks within Ireland. It's not something we are immune from because of our geographical location or our loveable nature. It is unlikely but possible.

Realistically, there are plenty of people living here who have strong, definite links to various international terror organisations. Some western nations have highlighted concerns over Ireland potentially being used to stage medium to large scale attacks. It is not something that is beyond possibility.

If an event along the lines of the Paris attack yesterday was to take place here, it would probably end the same. Not because we are under equipped or incompetent. It's down to response times really. This was a largely unpreventable attack. A small determined group with a definite plan, resources, local knowledge with no hesitation to carry out their task. It's a hard thing to defend against, especially when it can happen anywhere at any time.

I believe but am open to correction that, first on scene would be regular AGS members, then ERU/RSU depending where the event takes place. A last resort would be the Army Ranger Wing. None of which would have been in situ quick enough if the timeline was to be the same as yesterday.

We have a long history of internal terror threats from multiple homegrown groups. It's a small country. It is well known that IRA members and others of the various splinter groups have been involved in training with other international terror groups in various places. It's a crazy world we live in but I can't see a case where a planned attack will happen here. A spontaneous retaliation for a perceived injustice against a militant religious group......maybe.

True. No country is immune form these types of attacks. These lads are nut jobs who may not have a previous record so come from under the radar and just flip. As great as a countrys intelligence is it can not prevent attacks like this. It could certainly happen here.

Gatling · 08-01-2015 7:30pm

yipeeeee wrote: »

Would our allowance of the use of Shannon make us potential targets someday maybe?

And irish companies supply systems to various weapons manufacturing companies who in turn supply the US military with the final product to be used

harrymagina · 08-01-2015 7:30pm

I'd smear there balls and body in barbecue sauce and let a vicious pitbull run wild on the *****

Highflyer13 · 08-01-2015 7:31pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

To be perfectly honest I doubt many extremists apart from Sinn Féin could point Ireland out on a map.

Ah yes, the auld Sinn Fein dig. No political affiliation here but you FG idiots really annoy the hell out of me. Latest thing is your T.Ds are being told not to go on Vincent Browne to debate. Your obviously running scared from SF.

yipeeeee · 08-01-2015 7:32pm

The gards and special branch have done a great job of shutting down the rira in Dublin for the most part.

But it's time they switched their attention and budget.

SwiftJustice · 08-01-2015 7:33pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

This is complete hyperbole.What reason will they have to attach here?.Are we going to randomly attack a muslim country?.Are the papers here going to suddenly start mocking Islam.You do realise that Irelands fight for freedom was well admired in the muslim world.

You think a cartoon is a valid and rationale reason for the Paris killings??

Jawgap · 08-01-2015 7:34pm

Boring username wrote: »

Sadly, it's not a matter of if, but when there is a major terrorist attack in Ireland. It may surprise you to know that Ireland has supplied the highest number of foreign fighters in Syria and Iraq:

independent.ie/irish-news/news/ireland-tops-list-of-jihadi-fighters-in-foreign-wars-30563746.html

Eventually, a radicalised fighter will return to Ireland and carry out an attack here. Ireland, unlike most countries, does not have a dedicated intelligence unit . All monitoring is carried out by the Army intelligence unit, G2, and by the National Surveillance Unit of the Gardai, which operate on a shoestring budget.

I don't think there will be a 'spectacular' type attack with bombs or aircraft, as these type of attacks require a lot of access to dangerous materials and advanced weaponry. Likewise, a location such as an embassy would be too well defended.
But I do think we could well be facing a Mumbai style attack in the coming years, where a small cell of armed individuals attack a remote location such as a school or hospital where they could inflict massive casualties before the authorities had a chance to respond quickly.

Unfortunately, the public seem to have this 'sure we're Irish, it'll be grand' mentality when it comes to the reality of modern Islamic terrorism.

We are grand, sure aren't we being touted by the Muslim world as an example to follow when it comes to blasphemy legislation (the reason why no Charlie Hebdo cartoons were on the front of any Irish papers this morning).......

According to Pew Research, an American research firm, 22% of countries have laws which penalise blasphemy or the insulting of religious symbols. The majority of these countries are Muslim lands which ban insults to Islam's prophet or holy book; but the list also includes quite a few mainly Christian countries where old laws banning blasphemous or religiously disrespectful speech have remained on the statute books, albeit rarely if ever invoked. Such countries include Denmark, Greece and Germany.

Ireland stands out among Western countries for having introduced a blasphemy law very recently. Since 2009, Ireland has had a law which penalises "the publication or utterance of blasphemous matter" with a fine of up to €25,000. The centre-right government which introduced the law defended its action by pointing out that the Constitution of 1937 requires the country to have anti-blasphemy legislation; the new law was an improvement on previous ones because the penalty was pretty mild and it covered other religions as well as Christianity.

.......and the government have said they've no plans to change the constitution!

Cant Handle The Banter · 08-01-2015 7:36pm

yipeeeee wrote: »

Would our allowance of the use of Shannon make us potential targets someday maybe?

Doubt it. The muslims have bigger fish to fry.

CrabRevolution · 08-01-2015 7:37pm

Generally after big attacks like this, the perpetrators will release the same old statement blaming the country involved for its involvement in Iraq/Israel/ ties with Saudi Arabia etc.

Considering Ireland has no dealings with any of that, (in fact until recently one of our only notable deviations from international norms is our support of Palestine), I'd imagine these extremists haven't much "pork" with Ireland.

It also wouldnt really register with most of them, attacking a big target like the US, UK or France will have a few muslims thinking "another strike on the west, more revenge against our former/current foreign oppressors". An attack on Ireland would be greeted with "They attacked where?"

On Irish muslims going abroad to support ISIL, and how this is evidence that they're out to commit terrorist attacks on Irish soil. I'll just say its very easy to become an Islamic militant. Just hop on a flight to Beirut/Istanbul, then get transported to Syria and be handed an AK47, and bam! You've fulfilled all the criteria.

World of difference between that and creating and sustaining a terrorist cell capable of both going undetected for a long period of time and carrying out a large attack on Irish soil.

AlanS181824 · 08-01-2015 7:38pm

Boring username wrote: »

Sadly, it's not a matter of if, but when there is a major terrorist attack in Ireland. It may surprise you to know that Ireland has supplied the highest number of foreign fighters in Syria and Iraq:

independent.ie/irish-news/news/ireland-tops-list-of-jihadi-fighters-in-foreign-wars-30563746.html

Eventually, a radicalised fighter will return to Ireland and carry out an attack here. Ireland, unlike most countries, does not have a dedicated intelligence unit . All monitoring is carried out by the Army intelligence unit, G2, and by the National Surveillance Unit of the Gardai, which operate on a shoestring budget.

I don't think there will be a 'spectacular' type attack with bombs or aircraft, as these type of attacks require a lot of access to dangerous materials and advanced weaponry. Likewise, a location such as an embassy would be too well defended.
But I do think we could well be facing a Mumbai style attack in the coming years, where a small cell of armed individuals attack a remote location such as a school or hospital where they could inflict massive casualties before the authorities had a chance to respond quickly.

Unfortunately, the public seem to have this 'sure we're Irish, it'll be grand' mentality when it comes to the reality of modern Islamic terrorism.

This.

Shur we'll be grand, jaysus not to worry!

if we ever had a terrorist attack in ireland ??

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