2 NYPD cops shot dead in retaliation...

creolebelle wrote: »

Amazing how many ppl just ignored the fact that the shooter had shot his ex girlfriend in the stomach earlier that day.

True, yet was coherent and rational enough to travel from Maryland to Brooklyn in New York, to the area where there were very large anti NYPD protests.. where he then executed two police officers.

ireland.man wrote: »

'Social justice warrior'. It's one of the many American imports used by young right-wingers on Boards these days. It's cringe-worthy and vapid.

Young?

Egginacup wrote: »

This kind of revenge and vigilantism has one source and one source only. If American police continue to kill unarmed civilians with impunity and if they continue to persecute specifically those of colour then eventually this will happen and it will happen more frequently.
It's a very simple fact.

The fact is that people are many many many times more likely to be shot by someone else than a police officer. If you are a black male, there is no comparison if you look at the raw data. The narrative that police officers are going off into neighborhoods looking to kill some people is just bunk. They would not be in those neighborhoods anyway if there was not such a high crime rate. You can continue to spew your hate.

Anything to do with America you jump in and troll the topic away.

ireland.man wrote: »

I wasn't describing you personally. I'm laughing at conservative Irish people who pick up and use abbreviations like sjw or 'libtards' or 'feminazis'. You can almost picture them reading right-wing news sources, listening to extreme pundits and parroting American right-wing ideas. It tends to be impressionable, angry and young people who are attracted to that kind of thing.

These are all ad-hominem's in fairness and I see you did not even comment on the article I posted or even on De Blassio himself. Do you not think he is responsible at all for given men like Al Sharpton legitimacy? Gullinao and Bloomberg have stated they would have never met the man due to his history of racial bating and fanning the hot-tinders into flames. Now its all crocodile tears after the fact.

De Blassio has a long history of being a SJW, I am sorry if this hurts your feelings. For instance, telling his mixed race son to be fearful of the police and the publicly confirming this was highly irresponsible. He basically threw the police under a bus. The guy is a joke, NY has had two good mayors, I suppose they need one bad one to make up for it, hopefully they kick this bum out and replace him with someone more competent.

Just a little Samba wrote: »

In fairness you say "sjw" so often it's far easier to ascribe that moniker to anything you dislike than it is to accurately use the term neoliberal.

"Sjw" has as much meaning or value as "sinnerbot" and should be treated as such.

Except of course I did give a detailed response to why I used this one particular word and did post a NY times article. You complain I used a word, then go off and use 7 ad-hominems yourself and think you win the debate...?:pac: Egg on face there.

creolebelle wrote: »

You're theorizing and no one really knows what he was thinking. Shooting his gf that day must have been related to his anger at the police? Blaming his actions on the justified anger people have toward police departments is irresponsible and ridiculous. There is no definitive link btw anti police protesters and the shooter. He was violent in the past. I wouldn't take a yt vid as proof as that protesters were calling for deaths of cops. Fox News has already been revealed to tampering footage of protesters.
Deblasio and sharpton are unfortunately being bullied right now.
My issues with the police association is their belief that only the lives of police officers matter and that trying to purge the police dept of thugs in blue somehow means you're anti-police

This is getting interesting now and hilarious.

I am theorizing now yet you assume that this has NOTHING to do with Garner, even though it was mentioned in his last instagram post. "We take two of 'them' for 'one' of ours'.
I am theorizing, yet you are not.... eh OK

Video showing protesters calling for death of cops, is NOT proof that protesters were calling for death of cops....eh... MUST BE FAKE...Its a conspiracy right?
NBC deem it OK to cover it.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Eric-Garner-Manhattan-Dead-Cops-Video-Millions-March-Protest-285805731.html

Sharpton getting bullied? He is the biggest bully of the lot. He demanded an equal footing along with the Mayor of NY and the NYPD commissioner over the Garner case. He is an un-elected rabble rouser who also has anti-Semitic and anti gay views. Human rights activist my ass. How people defend him is beyond me.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/12/22/wsjs_riley_de_blasios_anti-cop_rhetoric_made_nypd_slayings_more_likely_than_it_would_have_been.html#ooid=t0eGxmcjoCe5KyLh525VnaiyQQ7BiuLJ

De Balsio should have known better then to fan the flames and it seems he is totally out of his depth as Major of America's largest city.

Finally, who said only police lives matter? They are the ones in high crime neighbor hoods stopping the locals from anarchy. They risk their lives everyday and are accountable if bad things happen. If some wanna be gangsta shoots someone in the head who is accountable then? Black on black crime is through the roof. Why do blacks make up 50% of murder victims, 92% of them shot by other blacks.

You mentioned previously that the problem was drug enforcement and you wanted MORE enforcement but you do realise that this will lead to more police in high crime black neighborhoods where the likely hood is that more blacks are shot by police officers? I suppose this will be the fault of the police, for doing their job, right??

You clearly do not have a coherent thought about the issue. Too much time reading the same opinion pieces. Classic confirmation bias.

Just a little Samba wrote: »

Accept for the reality that it never happened?

Vice and several other outlets posted a video earlier tonight about how fox had cut audio of posters so sound like "kill a cop" when in reality it was never chanted.

What 'outlets'.... sounds very conspiracy theory, mate.

ireland.man wrote: »

I don't know, I just laugh at people who use 'repuklicans' or 'libtards' or 'sjw' in political debates. They contribute nothing to an argument but make the speaker sound immature.

It's even funnier to hear someone who uses those terms but then criticise someone else for employing a common phrase in development studies and politics (ie neoliberal imeprialism)!

Yes, cause in a debate about two police officers that were shot dead, common phrases like 'neo-liberalism' and 'imperialism' are fine but discussing the activist nature of the NY major, sounds 'immature'.

ireland.man wrote: »

Why didn't you use that term, 'activist nature' and then elaborate on it (since even that's very ambiguous)? Of course libtard, repuklicans and sjw are immature on a political forum.

I did elaborate on it, but some people are very precious about an acronym so keep on digging.

Just a little Samba wrote: »

What contrary evidence are you offering?

I didnt make the claim. It is up to the person to make the claim to prove it as best they could.

Again, here is the original claim.

Far-right white reactionaries have murdered more US policemen this year than any other ideological group

So, far on the evidence present we have those cops killed in Nevada, that is two and there is no evidence that they were involved with any milita's

Once could also view that the cop killer in NY who was affiliated with 'Black Guerrilla Family' gang, who declared earlier on this month that it was open season for cops, so we can make that two

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-nypd-warned-militant-group-plans-shoot-cops-article-1.2036616


I am posting this link again as the time ariticle seems to be fundamentally faulty.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/21/time-right-wing-militias-are-the-real-threat-to-cops/

The author specifically warns that these groups pose an imminent threat to law enforcement officials and should be closely monitored. Gellman relies heavily on a retracted 2009 DHS report — simply titled “Rightwing Extremism” — for his finding. That very same report was quickly pulled by the DHS after its release and was widely criticized for claiming that ordinary citizens upset by the election of President Barack Obama pose a danger to the country.

Since the article’s publication, there have hardly been any reported cases of violence stemming from individuals connected to the militia movement. There is one possible case from June of this year, but it could not be determined whether the two killers in the Las Vegas shooting spree had any connections with militia groups.

More egg on face.

Anyway, the fact that posters have to chime in with some type of scorecard for point settling on a debate about dead police officers is in itself distasteful and shows more about their own level of maturity in this debate. Dead cops are bad, no matter if the militia shot them or some Black Panther like group shot them. So, I have no idea why this was even brought into the discussion but there ya go, I suppose I must move to Idaho now and build myself a bunker.