Child Shot in Ballyfermot

Witcher · 13-06-2014 10:52pm

Smidge wrote: »

I agree with you for the most part biko, no sympathy for anyone who does this and no mitigation for the usual lines trotted out. But when you see several guards standing around on behalf of Irish Water and none to be seen in any of these areas where there is constant thuggery and crime and general torment of decent people, surely its impossible for us to keep defending AGS?

That's hardly the fault of AGS, they go where they're assigned. Gardai don't decide 'Sure I'll oversee the oul water meter today for a change'.

Smidge · 13-06-2014 10:53pm

my friend wrote: »

Cry me a river, pay your dues ya deadbeat

What are you on about?

.jacksparrow. · 13-06-2014 10:54pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Governments fault? What are you on about? I'm saying that it's more complicated than just blaming rock music/goth culture/biker gangs/videogames/Love-Hate. Here we have a specific assailant but you, like many seem to buy into the myth purported by the media that it's a simple problem.

There is a lot of reasons, I was merely pointing out the biggest watched show in this country is about gangland killings, something doesn't fit right with me about this.

Karl Stein · 13-06-2014 10:55pm

EyeSight wrote: »

it was obvious sarcasm.

Nope, it was a straw man argument. Learn your fallacies young man.

I try to avoid using this emoticon but in your case :rolleyes:

Ireland is one of the safest countries on the planet.

Smidge · 13-06-2014 10:55pm

Blay wrote: »

That's hardly the fault of AGS, they go where they're assigned. Gardai don't decide 'Sure I'll oversee the oul water meter today for a change'.

Well, I would imagine that they were assigned that role by another Guard, albeit a more senior one.
But still a member of AGS, so a guard DID decide that.

Benteke · 13-06-2014 10:55pm

biko wrote: »

I see your point but at the end of the day it's a person that decides to pull that gun out. My anger is directed toward that particular scumbag and not "hose in power" (which, tbh, just dissipates the responsibility).

And you can bet your bum he'll be like "I had a bad upbringing"..
So fecking what, a lot of people manage to live through a bad life without resorting to scumbaggery.

If you bring a gun out on the streets and fire it I think it's premeditated murder to some degree, throw away the key.

When was the gangland culture last talked about in the dail for example? Those in power seem to want to give it a wide berth, They need to do more, That is all I'm saying, As I mentioned in a previous post it's more shocking when we don't get shootings

The powers could very easily tackle the court system and demand tougher sentencing, Sentencing in this country is a joke, Those who commit these crimes should not even be on the streets if the courts done their jobs right in the first place

ThisRegard · 13-06-2014 10:56pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Completely agree. Whoever assigned those gaurds should be ashamed f themselves.

Meanwhile steddyeddy complains that his local authority is underfunded so there's no all weather pitches or playgrounds open so there's nothing for the kids to do other than go around shooting each other.

Witcher · 13-06-2014 10:56pm

Smidge wrote: »

Well, I would imagine that they were assigned that role by another Guard, albeit a more senior one.
But still a member of AGS, so a guard DID decide that.

Supers and C. Supers take their orders from above too. Do you think they're really worried about water meters? They're told to assign Gardai to duties like that.

13-06-2014 10:57pm

dave1982 wrote: »

Read else where he was shot by accident while the shooter was chasing the original target through a estate.

Totally reckless no respect for anyone shooting like that

Government might take Guards off water meter duty now:mad:

Surely there will be a huge crackdown on "gangland" now

Would be nice to think so Dave, but they said that, when Veronica Guerin was shot.."last sting of a dying wasp' I believe the soundbite was

steddyeddy · 13-06-2014 10:59pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Meanwhile steddyeddy complains that his local authority is underfunded so there's no all weather pitches or playgrounds open so there's nothing for the kids to do other than go around shooting each other.

Where do I do that?

smellmepower · 13-06-2014 11:01pm

Sad news,hope the kid survives and the Guards catch whoever shot him.Probably a better chance they will as opposed to the usual gangland on gangland shooting,hard for the shooter to keep something as newsworthy/disgusting as this quiet.

Some of the reactions here are hilariously OTT though,its not as if this is a regular occurrence and Dublin has suddenly turned into East Baltimore.

ancapailldorcha · 13-06-2014 11:01pm

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

There is a lot of reasons, I was merely pointing out the biggest watched show in this country is about gangland killings, something doesn't fit right with me about this.

Gangland killings have been happening for ages. This is just a particularly ugly case. It takes a lot more than a TV show to make someone pick up a gun and commit murder.

ThisRegard · 13-06-2014 11:01pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Where do I do that?

Connect the dots.

fussyonion · 13-06-2014 11:02pm

How exactly does a child get shot?
Did a gunman just open fire on the child?
Did the child just find a gun?
Where were the parents?
I think I'll keep my gob shut on this one til I hear more.

Smidge · 13-06-2014 11:02pm

Blay wrote: »

Supers and C. Supers take their irders from above too. Do you think they're really worried about water meters? They're told to assign Gardai to duties like that.

So as I said, still members of AGS.
And I am sick to the back teeth of hearing about people being shot, beaten to a pulp, robbed, carjacked, burglarised and so on every damn day of the week.
And not a guard to be seen or gotten.
There was a girl on the radio the other day and she had been assaulted on Georges St(iirc)Dublin on Saturday night last.
Gardai were called and she was told there was only ONE guard on duty and not to bother reporting it or taking it further as "There really wasn't any point as nothing could be done about it".
To say the amount of similar calls/stories that flowed in after it was sickening.
So, my point still stands about letting AGS off the hook

steddyeddy · 13-06-2014 11:02pm

I meant to add that more importantly than all issues I hope the child survives and more protection is allocated to the area.

bb1234567 · 13-06-2014 11:03pm

Was it accidental or?

Witcher · 13-06-2014 11:03pm

fussyonion wrote: »

How exactly does a child get shot?
Did a gunman just open fire on the child?
Did the child just find a gun?
Where were the parents?
I think I'll keep my gob shut on this one til I hear more.

Story is two pages back.

Mistaken identity.

B.A._Baracus · 13-06-2014 11:03pm

This is so sad

Sky News are talking about it now. He has been taking to Crumlin Hospital.

Unconfirmed reports (by Sky News)
A Garda was injured in a car chase following the shoot out. Geez. Bloody kip.

dave1982 · 13-06-2014 11:03pm

SKY news and BBC are reporting the shooting, pressure will be on now

irishfeen · 13-06-2014 11:03pm

If this kid dies the reaction would put Guerin's murder in the shade

disgusting and tragic.... hopefully he/she pulls through.

Witcher · 13-06-2014 11:03pm

Smidge wrote: »

So as I said, still members of AGS.

No, it comes down from the DoJ.

steddyeddy · 13-06-2014 11:04pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Connect the dots.

Connect 4?

rogieop · 13-06-2014 11:05pm

Id imagine the shooter will do well to make it through the night.

The hit on him has probably been organised already.

Eradicate the problem.

Mint Sauce · 13-06-2014 11:05pm

fussyonion wrote: »

How exactly does a child get shot?
Did a gunman just open fire on the child?
Did the child just find a gun?
Where were the parents?
I think I'll keep my gob shut on this one til I hear more.

Considering that there is conflicting information on his age and current condition in the online media, I would suggest the mods lock this up for now. Who knows what other information is incorrect.

Family going through enough without incorrect information and speculation being spread.

anewme · 13-06-2014 11:05pm

smellmepower wrote: »

Some of the reactions here are hilariously OTT though,its not as if this is a regular occurrence and Dublin has suddenly turned into East Baltimore.

There were 51 gangland shootings in 2013 in Ireland. Averages out at almost one a week. I would call that too much of a regular occurance.

Smidge · 13-06-2014 11:05pm

Blay wrote: »

No, it comes down from the DoJ.

Ah, buck passing. Lovely.

urabell · 13-06-2014 11:05pm

Mistaken identity?

Was the intended target also 4'11"

Literally nothing on the planet with less brains than an Irish gangland killer

dave1982 · 13-06-2014 11:06pm

rogieop wrote: »

Id imagine the shooter will do well to make it through the night.

The hit on him has probably been organised already.

Eradicate the problem.

Was thinking the same thing

Witcher · 13-06-2014 11:06pm

Smidge wrote: »

Ah, buck passing. Lovely.

You can't blame the Gardai for orders which do not even originate within the organisation.

SweetChaos · 13-06-2014 11:07pm

I feel sick over this its bad enough an innocent bystander getting shot but its worse that this baby is fighting for his life tonight my prayers are with his family and I really hope he will be ok

irishfeen · 13-06-2014 11:08pm

I think whatever happens we can expect a massive Government/Garda gangland response - this will tip the balance of public opinion.

urabell · 13-06-2014 11:08pm

rogieop wrote: »

Id imagine the shooter will do well to make it through the night.

The hit on him has probably been organised already.

Eradicate the problem.

They'll send another ****e-for-brains after him, more likely to shoot another unfortunate child than his actual target. We had better hope and pray that nobody with even half a brain ever decided to take the criminal path in this country

.jacksparrow. · 13-06-2014 11:09pm

It was bound to happen, for ages everyone was saying sooner or later a kid will get caught up in it.

Will anything change, I doubt it.

EyeSight · 13-06-2014 11:11pm

dave1982 wrote: »

SKY news and BBC are reporting the shooting, pressure will be on now

It's sad that it takes foreign media to make waves here. I could be mistaken(and sorry if i am) but wasn't it the same with the GSOC bugging and the recent case off the mass childrens grave? I read about them first in non-irish media outlets.

I think the Government should finally do something. As said earlier, when was the last time this stuff was discussed in the Dail or in any election debates? Instead we get senators moaning about banning ice cream men

AGS have a part to play too. They need to start speaking up. They don't waste a second telling ordinary citizens they don't have enough resources so they should say the same to the higher ups

smellmepower · 13-06-2014 11:14pm

anewme wrote: »

There were 51 gangland shootings in 2013 in Ireland. Averages out at almost one a week. I would call that too much of a regular occurance.

I know full well.Its not a problem unique to Dublin though,it happens in every major city in the world unfortunately.Only way to stop it would be to eliminate the vast profits that are being made by those involved in the drug trade,who are responsible for the mast majority of shootings and murders.

Its not a simple problem that can be solved by having more Gardai on the street,or mandatory prison sentences like people have suggested here,and the media bandwagon will spout over the coming days.

My name is URL · 13-06-2014 11:14pm

Is there any reliable source of information or are people just jumping to conclusions about what happened?

irishfeen · 13-06-2014 11:15pm

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

It was bound to happen, for ages everyone was saying sooner or later a kid will get caught up in it.

Will anything change, I doubt it.

Could very well be the case like with Guerin that the shear weight of public opinion and pressure from Irish/international media will force the governments hand to act very swiftly.

13-06-2014 11:15pm

When stories have broke about gangland shootings, I have nodded in agreement when people have said "good enough, let them wipe themselves out". We were wrong. This isnt the right approach.

A complete crackdown is required. This cant be allowed happen so easily again.

Oh, there was a garda chase, what were they doing on the scene so quickly?

Micky Dolenz · 13-06-2014 11:16pm

Mod

Links to media reports please.

.jacksparrow. · 13-06-2014 11:16pm

irishfeen wrote: »

Could very well be the case like with Guerin that the shear weight of public opinion and pressure from Irish/international media will force the governments hand to act very swiftly.

It worked for a brief period but then got worst.

B.A._Baracus · 13-06-2014 11:16pm

smellmepower wrote: »

Sad news,hope the kid survives and the Guards catch whoever shot him.Probably a better chance they will as opposed to the usual gangland on gangland shooting,hard for the shooter to keep something as newsworthy/disgusting as this quiet.

Some of the reactions here are hilariously OTT though,its not as if this is a regular occurrence and Dublin has suddenly turned into East Baltimore.

A man was shot in Balbriggan today as well. He was coming out of a gym.

http://www.newstalk.ie/Man-critical-after-shooting-in-north-Dublin

anewme · 13-06-2014 11:17pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Is there any reliable source of information or are people just jumping to conclusions about what happened?

It's on breaking news on Sky News website................

http://news.sky.com/story/1282055/boy-9-shot-and-wounded-by-gunman-in-dublin

By David Blevins, Ireland Correspondent
A nine-year-old boy has been seriously injured after being shot in the neck by a gunman in west Dublin.

The shooting happened at Croftwood Gardens in the Ballyfermot area of the city on Friday night.

Sky sources say the child was not the gunman's intended target, but was caught in crossfire.

The boy was taken to hospital where he is receiving treatment.

A police officer is also thought to have been injured in a subsequent car chase.

More follows...

steddyeddy · 13-06-2014 11:17pm

From RTE

Gardaí are investigating after an incident in Ballyfermot in which a child was injured and had to be taken to hospital.
Details are still unclear but gardaí are investigating the possibility that the child may have sustained a gunshot wound.
The incident happened at Croftwood Green in Ballyfermot.
Gardaí are currently at the scene and are trying to establish what occurred.
The child is thought to be aged between seven and ten years old

EyeSight · 13-06-2014 11:17pm

smellmepower wrote: »

I know full well.Its not a problem unique to Dublin though,it happens in every major city in the world unfortunately.Only way to stop it would be to eliminate the vast profits that are being made by those involved in the drug trade,who are responsible for the mast majority of shootings and murders.

Its not a simple problem that can be solved by having more Gardai on the street,or mandatory prison sentences like people have suggested here,and the media bandwagon will spout over the coming days.

That doesn't make it ok to do nothing. I agree with you that on some scale it will always happen. But we are not attempting to change anything. The government ignore there is a problem, the guards don't push to change anything and the social welfare and health programs stay the same. It's obviously getting worse and it's not going to just suddenly stop.

Any government party(even FF!) that attempts to try something new and proactive, even if it fails badly, i would support and respect them

dave1982 · 13-06-2014 11:17pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

When stories have broke about gangland shootings, I have nodded in agreement when people have said "good enough, let them wipe themselves out". We were wrong. This isnt the right approach.

A complete crackdown is required. This cant be allowed happen so easily again.

Oh, there was a garda chase, what were they doing on the scene so quickly?

SKY news said there was a number of shootings in last few weeks in the area

Shakespeare's Sister · 13-06-2014 11:17pm

The policing vacuum can't be viewed as just an excuse defending the guards - it's a significant part of the problem.

dodderangler wrote: »

Fcuk the city! Give up on this country.
Whole island is fcuked and this just tops it off.

It's really not.
That doesn't make this ok by the way, but hyperbole is of no use.

.jacksparrow. · 13-06-2014 11:19pm

EyeSight wrote: »

That doesn't make it ok to do nothing. I agree with you that on some scale it will always happen. But we are not attempting to change anything. The government ignore there is a problem, the guards don't push to change anything and the social welfare and health programs stay the same. It's obviously getting worse and it's not going to just suddenly stop.

Any government party(even FF!) that attempts to try something new and proactive, even if it fails badly, i would support and respect them

Sinn Fein, vigilante justice, worked up the north, was never drugs, joyriders etc!

But there was other stuff...

ThisRegard · 13-06-2014 11:21pm

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Sinn Fein, vigilante justice, worked up the north, was never drugs, joyriders etc!

But there was other stuff...

Bwah hah hah, never any drugs, nice one. Never any drugs without a kick back into the cause.

.jacksparrow. · 13-06-2014 11:23pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Bwah hah hah, never any drugs, nice one. Never any drugs without a kick back into the cause.

Bs, there was never any evidence of that and even the head of Ags said this.

Anyway I was been hypothetical, it will obviously never happen.

Child Shot in Ballyfermot

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