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Child Shot in Ballyfermot

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    #32
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Ireland is indeed one of the safest countries on the planet. However I feel sorry for the decent people of the area who have to put up with complete animals running the area through fear and intimidation.


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    #33
    Benteke
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    biko wrote: »
    Not sure why you blame "the man". They didn't pull the trigger.

    and they don't do enough to stop those that do


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    #34
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Do you seriously think that something so simple as a TV programme is all it takes to compel someone to kill?

    No im saying it glorifies these characters, look at Paul Williams books and how well they sell.

    There is a fascination with gangland in this country.

    All im saying is some kids are naive and might think it's great to be involved in this carry on.


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    #35
    razorblunt
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    Mistaken identify ? He must be a big 9 year old or a small man FfS.

    Hope they catch the animal.


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    #36
    EyeSight
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Ireland is one of the safest countries on the planet.
    Grand. Sure lets not strive to improve on the crime in the place. Forget that a young kid got shot.
    Just keep repeating Ireland is safe compared to other countries and things will improve themselves
    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Not at all, but when impressionable young lads who want to be the next nidge sees how much people love the show and talk about the characters like their heroes and legends they're bound to get ideas in their heads.

    Come on. Watching a tv show does not turn people into murderers. There are other problems.
    Besides Nidge doesn't have an easy life at all! The show doesn't show him sitting around smiling the whole time, he's a paranoid mess 85% of the show


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    #37
    Witcher
    Registered Users Posts: 14,539 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Benteke wrote: »
    and they don't do enough to stop those that do

    What more can they do? It's 10 years just for possessing a bullet with intent to endanger life.


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    #38
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Benteke wrote: »
    and they don't do enough to stop those that do
    I see your point but at the end of the day it's a person that decides to pull that gun out. My anger is directed toward that particular scumbag and not "hose in power" (which, tbh, just dissipates the responsibility).

    And you can bet your bum he'll be like "I had a bad upbringing"..
    So fecking what, a lot of people manage to live through a bad life without resorting to scumbaggery.

    If you bring a gun out on the streets and fire it I think it's premeditated murder to some degree, throw away the key.


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    #39
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    Benteke wrote: »
    How can you have a mistaken identity with a 9 year old?

    Were they looking for Brendan O'Carroll ?


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    #40
    ThisRegard
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    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    All these gangster wannabes, watching love hate doesn't help.

    But it shows this country is fascinated with gangland when one million people tune in to watch it every week.

    Guns don't kill people, rappers do Love/Hate does.

    But seriously, wtf.


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    #41
    Karl Stein
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    EyeSight wrote: »
    Grand. Sure lets not strive to improve on the crime in the place. Forget that a young kid got shot.
    Just keep repeating Ireland is safe compared to other countries and things will improve themselves

    You just had a little argument with yourself.

    Do you do that often?


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    #42
    ancapailldorcha
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    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    No im saying it glorifies these characters, look at Paul Williams books and how well they sell.

    There is a fascination with gangland in this country.

    All im saying is some kids are naive and might think it's great to be involved in this carry on.

    What about things like cuts in social spending? Underfunded social services who are unable to give every case the attention it fully deserves? Look at some of the cities in the US (Chicago, Detroit & Baltimore) and how bad things are there.

    Also, why in heaven would any parent allow their child to watch something like Love/Hate?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #43
    EyeSight
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    Karl Stein wrote: »
    You just had a little argument with yourself.

    Do you do that often?
    it was obvious sarcasm. I try to avoid using this emoticon but in your case :rolleyes:


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    #44
    steddyeddy
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    biko wrote: »
    I see your point but at the end of the day it's a person that decides to pull that gun out. My anger is directed toward that particular scumbag and not "hose in power" (which, tbh, just dissipates the responsibility).

    And you can bet your bum he'll be like "I had a bad upbringing"..
    So fecking what, a lot of people manage to live through a bad life without resorting to scumbaggery.

    I have a mate in college who defends this crap. He says people from these areas see crime as the only way they can make a name for themselves. Despite the fact that me and him both come from tough backgrounds and are in college. The only people who use that excuse are stupid people. There is not excuse for shooting a child in the neck.


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    #45
    Benteke
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    Blay wrote: »
    What more can they do? It's 10 years just for possessing a bullet with intent to endanger life.

    They need to get tougher, The law is an ass, The courts are a joke, If they catch those who shot that little boy tonight, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that person(s) is out on bail for other crimes and have 60+ charges to their name

    Now I can't look into the future or anything like that but it would be a safe enough bet, Hopefully the young lad recovers and those responsable are brought to justice but they will just get out in a few years and probably do it again, When in truth the streets would be much safer if they never got out


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    #46
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    What about things like cuts in social spending? Underfunded social services who are unable to give every case the attention it fully deserves? Look at some of the cities in the US (Chicago, Detroit & Baltimore) and how bad things are there.

    Also, why in heaven would any parent allow their child to watch something like Love/Hate?

    Oh right so it's the government's fault now because they don't give enough money to who exactly ?


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    #47
    dave1982
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    Read else where he was shot by accident while the shooter was chasing the original target through a estate.

    Totally reckless no respect for anyone shooting like that

    Government might take Guards off water meter duty now:mad:

    Surely there will be a huge crackdown on "gangland" now


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    #48
    Smidge
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    biko wrote: »
    I see your point but at the end of the day it's a person that decides to pull that gun out. My anger is directed toward that particular scumbag and not "hose in power" (which, tbh, just dissipates the responsibility).

    And you can bet your bum he'll be like "I had a bad upbringing"..
    So fecking what, a lot of people manage to live through a bad life without resorting to scumbaggery.

    If you bring a gun out on the streets and fire it I think it's premeditated murder to some degree, throw away the key.

    I agree with you for the most part biko, no sympathy for anyone who does this and no mitigation for the usual lines trotted out. But when you see several guards standing around on behalf of Irish Water and none to be seen in any of these areas where there is constant thuggery and crime and general torment of decent people, surely its impossible for us to keep defending AGS?


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    #49
    ancapailldorcha
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    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Oh right so it's the government's fault now because they don't give enough money to who exactly ?

    Governments fault? What are you on about? I'm saying that it's more complicated than just blaming rock music/goth culture/biker gangs/videogames/Love-Hate. Here we have a specific assailant but you, like many seem to buy into the myth purported by the media that it's a simple problem.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #50
    my friend
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    Smidge wrote: »
    I agree with you for the most part biko, no sympathy for anyone who does this and no mitigation for the usual lines trotted out. But when you see several guards standing around on behalf of Irish Water and none to be seen in any of these areas where there is constant thuggery and crime and general torment of decent people, surely its impossible for us to keep defending AGS?

    Cry me a river, pay your dues ya deadbeat


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    #51
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Smidge wrote: »
    I agree with you for the most part biko, no sympathy for anyone who does this and no mitigation for the usual lines trotted out. But when you see several guards standing around on behalf of Irish Water and none to be seen in any of these areas where there is constant thuggery and crime and general torment of decent people, surely its impossible for us to keep defending AGS?


    Completely agree. Whoever assigned those gaurds should be ashamed of themselves.


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    #52
    Witcher
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    Smidge wrote: »
    I agree with you for the most part biko, no sympathy for anyone who does this and no mitigation for the usual lines trotted out. But when you see several guards standing around on behalf of Irish Water and none to be seen in any of these areas where there is constant thuggery and crime and general torment of decent people, surely its impossible for us to keep defending AGS?

    That's hardly the fault of AGS, they go where they're assigned. Gardai don't decide 'Sure I'll oversee the oul water meter today for a change'.


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    #53
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    my friend wrote: »
    Cry me a river, pay your dues ya deadbeat

    What are you on about?:confused:


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    #54
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Governments fault? What are you on about? I'm saying that it's more complicated than just blaming rock music/goth culture/biker gangs/videogames/Love-Hate. Here we have a specific assailant but you, like many seem to buy into the myth purported by the media that it's a simple problem.

    There is a lot of reasons, I was merely pointing out the biggest watched show in this country is about gangland killings, something doesn't fit right with me about this.


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    #55
    Karl Stein
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    EyeSight wrote: »
    it was obvious sarcasm.

    Nope, it was a straw man argument. Learn your fallacies young man.
    I try to avoid using this emoticon but in your case :rolleyes:

    Ireland is one of the safest countries on the planet.


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    #56
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Blay wrote: »
    That's hardly the fault of AGS, they go where they're assigned. Gardai don't decide 'Sure I'll oversee the oul water meter today for a change'.

    Well, I would imagine that they were assigned that role by another Guard, albeit a more senior one.
    But still a member of AGS, so a guard DID decide that.


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    #57
    Benteke
    Registered Users Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Benteke


    biko wrote: »
    I see your point but at the end of the day it's a person that decides to pull that gun out. My anger is directed toward that particular scumbag and not "hose in power" (which, tbh, just dissipates the responsibility).

    And you can bet your bum he'll be like "I had a bad upbringing"..
    So fecking what, a lot of people manage to live through a bad life without resorting to scumbaggery.

    If you bring a gun out on the streets and fire it I think it's premeditated murder to some degree, throw away the key.

    When was the gangland culture last talked about in the dail for example? Those in power seem to want to give it a wide berth, They need to do more, That is all I'm saying, As I mentioned in a previous post it's more shocking when we don't get shootings

    The powers could very easily tackle the court system and demand tougher sentencing, Sentencing in this country is a joke, Those who commit these crimes should not even be on the streets if the courts done their jobs right in the first place


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    #58
    ThisRegard
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Completely agree. Whoever assigned those gaurds should be ashamed f themselves.

    Meanwhile steddyeddy complains that his local authority is underfunded so there's no all weather pitches or playgrounds open so there's nothing for the kids to do other than go around shooting each other.


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    #59
    Witcher
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    Smidge wrote: »
    Well, I would imagine that they were assigned that role by another Guard, albeit a more senior one.
    But still a member of AGS, so a guard DID decide that.

    Supers and C. Supers take their orders from above too. Do you think they're really worried about water meters? They're told to assign Gardai to duties like that.


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    #60
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    dave1982 wrote: »
    Read else where he was shot by accident while the shooter was chasing the original target through a estate.

    Totally reckless no respect for anyone shooting like that

    Government might take Guards off water meter duty now:mad:

    Surely there will be a huge crackdown on "gangland" now

    Would be nice to think so Dave, but they said that, when Veronica Guerin was shot.."last sting of a dying wasp' I believe the soundbite was


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    #61
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Meanwhile steddyeddy complains that his local authority is underfunded so there's no all weather pitches or playgrounds open so there's nothing for the kids to do other than go around shooting each other.

    Where do I do that?


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