Way to go Sinn Fein

Smidge · 25-05-2014 01:55AM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Tiocfaidh ar La, Nidgie.

Oh god, they're in from the pubs :eek::rolleyes:

Karl Stein · 25-05-2014 01:55AM

Tokarev wrote: »

And you are .. old Frozen

You'd think that but he's just a young'un who thinks he knows it all (bless) and gets a kick out of trolling anyone remotely Nationalist/Republican.

That's why I ignore him.

Iwasfrozen · 25-05-2014 01:57AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

You'd think that but he's just a young'un who thinks he knows it all (bless) and gets a kick out of trolling anyone remotely Nationalist/Republican.

That's why I ignore him.

You're doing a bad job ignoring me if you feel the need to talk about me Chucky.

Karl Stein · 25-05-2014 02:01AM

I reserve the natural right to highlight to others that they are wasting their time engaging IWF and that any frustration they might feel is what encourages IWF.

Best ignored lads, trust me.

Iwasfrozen · 25-05-2014 02:04AM

Well Chuck Stone, I do hate to talk through your bedroom door, and this may come at a disappointment but I have no intention of trolling you or anyone else.

Now as I've said before, the ignore button is there for a reason, use it and stop whining like a Frenchman in every thread I encounter you.

Tokarev · 25-05-2014 02:06AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You're doing a bad job ignoring me if you feel the need to talk about me Chucky.

Oh, So you are bringing childs play into the debate.

How about your past and present goverments protecting Pedophilia?

Smidge · 25-05-2014 02:10AM

Jesus, this thread has been like some weird "outing" of previous incarnations of posters

First there was Yitzhac which was completely misread(and led to some seriously funny misunderstandings and recriminations about Shatter and Jews :pac:)
There have been a few others since and now another one.
I am the only "original" here?

Seriously folks, if you have to go to the trouble of "naming" old account names, your argument is well lost!!

RobertKK · 25-05-2014 02:11AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

You're under no obligation to sell anything. Also, people who start businesses usually want to hold unto them unless they are speculators and speculators rarely create anything other than economic bubbles.

It is not unreasonable to say that CGTax is primarily a tax on market speculation/manipulation and would probably lead to more stable economic growth.

It has nothing to do with no obligation or speculating.
If someone got a great offer, let say $19 billion for something like snapchat. They are not speculating if they accept the offer and sell.
Sinn Fein have a problem with things that make economic sense.

Iwasfrozen · 25-05-2014 02:11AM

Tokarev wrote: »

Oh, So you are bringing childs play into the debate.

How about your past and present goverments protecting Pedophilia?

I really wouldn't go down the road of a debate on protecting paedophiles on the side of SF..

Karl Stein · 25-05-2014 02:12AM

Tokarev wrote: »

So you are bringing childs play into the debate.

It's not so long ago he was a child himself, bless his cotton socks.

Karl Stein · 25-05-2014 02:16AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Sinn Fein have a problem with things that make economic sense.

What you're essentially saying is everything that's come in the past (catastrophic failure that gets lumped on Joe Le Taxipayer) is economic sense and everything that is in opposition to this neoliberal gospel does not make sense.

Bizarre.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 25-05-2014 02:17AM

A man I talked to down at my local count opined that they've gone through them all, FF Green, FG, Labour. The floating vote says they're all shi1te lets give the next crowd SF a dig. Like Churchill said "The best argument against democracy is a a five minute conversation with the average voter"

The big worry is that FF and FG go in with each other at the next General Election and form a coalition for the first time in history, it leaves open the possibility that wackjobs left in the opposition could form a government if the FF FG alliance was to fail.

Tokarev · 25-05-2014 02:17AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I really wouldn't go down the road of a debate on protecting paedophiles on the side of SF..

Maybe you would go down the road that Irish goverments have hidden and protected pedophildes.?

Iwasfrozen · 25-05-2014 02:19AM

Tokarev wrote: »

Maybe you would go down the road that Irish goverments have hidden and protected pedophildes.?

Like I said those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/gerry-adams-niece-accuses-him-of-covering-up-sex-abuse-scandal-226777531-237781821.html

Karl Stein · 25-05-2014 02:21AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The big worry is that FF and FG go in with each other at the next General Election and form a coalition for the first time in history, it leaves open the possibility that wackjobs in opposition could form a government if the FF FG alliance was to fail.

I feel sorry for you that you feel that anyone other than FF/FG are 'whackjobs'. FF almost wrecked the place and FG were saying they weren't wrecking it enough in opposition.

You and people like you are the problem. I hope FF/FG do go in to government together so that the tweedle-dum tweedle-dee civil war politics gets exposed for the two sides of the same coin it is.

The Diabolical Monocle · 25-05-2014 02:24AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Like I said those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/gerry-adams-niece-accuses-him-of-covering-up-sex-abuse-scandal-226777531-237781821.html

Cheap shot.

RobertKK · 25-05-2014 02:27AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

What you're essentially saying is everything that's come in the past (catastrophic failure that gets lumped on Joe Le Taxipayer) is economic sense and everything that is in opposition to this neoliberal gospel does not make sense.

Bizarre.

I did not say that.

How can you say that selling a business for a profit is speculating? It happens everyday in the business world.

Speaking of the taxpayer that is who SF plan on fleecing.

Iwasfrozen · 25-05-2014 02:28AM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Cheap shot.

It was in response to a cheap shot.

The other poster tried to claim the moral high ground in voting SF by claiming the FF/FG governments of the day covered up child abuse.

Bit hypocritical though when the leader of SF did the same.

The Diabolical Monocle · 25-05-2014 02:33AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It was in response to a cheap shot.

The other poster tried to claim the moral high ground in voting SF by claiming the FF/FG governments of the day covered up child abuse.

Bit hypocritical though when the leader of SF did the same.

Did he ?

Tokarev · 25-05-2014 02:33AM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It was in response to a cheap shot.

The other poster tried to claim the moral high ground in voting SF by claiming the FF/FG governments of the day covered up child abuse.

Bit hypocritical though when the leader of SF did the same.

Maybe you will tell us next that every thing will be all roses in the country?

mrsbyrne · 25-05-2014 02:34AM

Smidge wrote: »

You clearly have no idea so of how much is being paid to private landlords, hostels, hotels and b&b's to accommodate people.

Actually, I'm probably one of the only people on this thread who DOES know. So tell me. When the government pulls the plug on rent supplement to divert the funds to the upgrading of these fabulous unfinished estates, where will the tenants live while the work is being done? Round at your house?

Smidge · 25-05-2014 02:37AM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Actually, I'm probably one of the only people on this thread who DOES know. So tell me. When the government pulls the plug on rent supplement to divert the funds to the upgrading of these fabulous unfinished estates, where will the tenants live while the work is being done? Round at your house?

And why would that be?
If you know why, why did you pose the question? :rolleyes:
If you're not part of the solution MrsByrne, then you're part of the problem

Also, where did I say pull the plug on these schemes??

SterlingArcher · 25-05-2014 02:37AM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Actually, I'm probably one of the only people on this thread who DOES know. So tell me. When the government pulls the plug on rent supplement to divert the funds to the upgrading of these fabulous unfinished estates, where will the tenants live while the work is being done? Round at your house?

Plenty of room in the basement.
Good WiFi too.

Karl Stein · 25-05-2014 02:44AM

RobertKK wrote: »

How can you say that selling a business for a profit is speculating? It happens everyday in the business world.

Most people start businesses because they are entrepreneurs rather than speculators. Speculators buy and sell businesses so why shouldn't they be taxed in line with everyone else?

Speaking of the taxpayer that is who SF plan on fleecing.

Rubbish. They plan on making those who benefit most from the economy pay in respect to the privileges they enjoy from it.

This disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and powerful, and to despise or, at least, neglect persons of poor and mean conditions, though necessary both to establish and to maintain the distinction of ranks and the order of society, is, at the same time, the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments.

Section III, Chap. II

Adam Smith

Those who seek to energize the upward distribution of wealth will only hasten the destruction of the system that underpins their privileges.

mrsbyrne · 25-05-2014 02:46AM

goat2 wrote: »

they pledge some to charity, well using some of that charity money to do a bit of charity at home would be looking after those on our own doorstep first,

You do realise that as part of the EU we are obliged to donate so much to charity? Tell us goat please, where is the money to come from to fix the social housing emergency! Sinn Fein have all the answers, havnt they? Its all going to be fixed now, isn't it?

Smidge · 25-05-2014 02:48AM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

You do realise that as part of the EU we are obliged to donate so much to charity? Tell us goat please, where is the money to come from to fix the social housing emergency! Sinn Fein have all the answers, havnt they? Its all going to be fixed now, isn't it?

Utter stuff and nonsense.
And also, just to be clear I realise that we have been bound to up our "donations" thanks to our idiot government signing away every fecking damn right that the people of Ireland have. Another great reason to vote for FF/FG *insert incredibly mad face here*

mrsbyrne · 25-05-2014 02:50AM

Smidge wrote: »

And why would that be?
If you know why, why did you pose the question? :rolleyes:
If you're not part of the solution MrsByrne, then you're part of the problem

Also, where did I say pull the plug on these schemes??

Well you referred to the millions being paid to landlords in the form of rent supplement. Sure, we could divert that money to upgrade the empty houses to make them at least livable, but if the landlords don't get the rent supplement, they would be legally entitled to evict the tenants, so where will they go?

25-05-2014 02:52AM

Tigger wrote: »

Life is harder now. Work hard - oops jobs are scarce, **** you, ha ha ha.

But hey...why not keep a large multinationals cost of production down and work for 238 euro on the jobbridge scheme?!

Smidge · 25-05-2014 03:00AM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Well you referred to the millions being paid to landlords in the form of rent supplement. Sure, we could divert that money to upgrade the empty houses to make them at least livable, but if the landlords don't get the rent supplement, they would be legally entitled to evict the tenants, so where will they go?

Oh god

I'm a sucker for it!
You still haven't told us why you are the only person on this thread who really knows how the housing situation really works.
Enlighten us, O wise one

Brian_Zeluz · 25-05-2014 03:03AM

frimpong wrote: »

I disagree. People under 25 have grown up with little to no experience of the troubles. People under 18 have grown with no experience of the troubles whatsoever. Most young people now have no hang ups about Sinn Fein as they will have only ever known them as another political party. Sinn Feins support will only grow over the next ten years imo, particularly in the under 25 age group.

I don't think much of my peer group but I doubt they're as dumb as that. At 22 I have plenty of hang ups about SF and dread the thought of a growth in support.

Way to go Sinn Fein

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