Way to go Sinn Fein

Karl Stein

RobertKK wrote: »

they want people who make something for themselves to pay those who couldn't be bothered.

In the absence of evidence your opinion is little more than neurotic hyperbole.

Evidence?

The Diabolical Monocle

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Then they can haddaway and build with their own money instead of begging from the now state owned banks to fuel the next boom bust cycle.

Google.

...... Nestor Alexander Haddaway (born January 9, 1965), better known by his stage name Haddaway, is a Trinidadian-German singer, best known to mainstream ...

Dan_Solo

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Oh you've done it now Dan, a traitor to the cause you are. Gerry Kelly wants a word.

What cause? I couldn't give a **** about a united Ireland TBH.
Apologies for confusing you by not neatly fitting any of the tedious stereotypes you have set up in your head.

Tokarev

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Or and here's a nicer alternative, the state could carry on running the banks as normal then sell the shares when they can get a decent price and hopefully not **** up the economy in the meantime by not lending out money.

They don't lent money anyway, (unless to the rich)
And the economy is already messed up.

Smidge

Dan_Solo wrote: »

What cause? I couldn't give a **** about a united Ireland TBH.
Apologies for confusing you by not neatly fitting any of the tedious stereotypes you have set up in your head.

I don't know why you are bothering Dan
And also, I just remembered the secondary schools finish up this week :D;)

Iwasfrozen

Dan_Solo wrote: »

What cause? I couldn't give a **** about a united Ireland TBH.
Apologies for confusing you by not neatly fitting any of the tedious stereotypes you have set up in your head.

ow, you're really not fitting in with your new friends Dan. These people are violently in favour.

RobertKK

Karl Stein wrote: »

In the absence of evidence your opinion is little more than neurotic hyperbole.

Evidence?

If I start a company and it is successful, and I sell it, under Sinn Fein's tax policies I would have to give 43% of the profits to the state under capital gains tax.
That is not an incentive, it is a tax on initiative, bad enough it is at 33% at present.

Dan_Solo

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

ow, you're really not fitting in with your new friends Dan. These people are violently in favour.

Maybe you like to suck up to other peoples' ideology wholesale? I can form my own opinion on multiple topics thankfully.

Dan_Solo

Smidge wrote: »

I don't know why you are bothering Dan
And also, I just remembered the secondary schools finish up this week :D;)

So? Is this another "you are really young" joke? How quaint.

Iwasfrozen

Tokarev wrote: »

They don't lent money anyway, (unless to the rich)

Not true, they're even lending to students believe it or not.

And the economy is already messed up.

Not as bad as it would be if the banks stopped lending.

Smidge

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So? Is this another "you are really young" joke? How quaint.

Eh no, I wasnt talking about you

Tokarev

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

ow, you're really not fitting in with your new friends Dan. These people are violently in favour.

And you are stale and old Frozen, like the goverments of past and present.

suicide_circus

RobertKK wrote: »

If I start a company and it is successful, and I sell it, under Sinn Fein's tax policies I would have to give 43% of the profits to the state under capital gains tax.
That is not an incentive, it is a tax on initiative, bad enough it is at 33% at present.

sure i dont see why the state dosnt just seize any profitable companies and just nationalize them, thats working a treat in Venezuela at the moment. :pac:

but you know, i wouldn't even mind being taxed to sh1t if i thought i would get top class services in return. but i dont trust this country to deliver that and certainly not this country under SF.

Dan_Solo

Smidge wrote: »

Eh no, I wasnt talking about you

Fair nuff.

A Primal Nut

donegal__road wrote: »

DeValera was first elected on the SF ticket.


.

Another reason not to vote for them.

RobertKK

suicide_circus wrote: »

sure i dont see why the state dosnt just seize any profitable companies and just nationalize them, thats working a treat in Venezuela at the moment. :pac:

but you know, i wouldn't even mind being taxed to sh1t if i thought i would get top class services in return. but i dont trust this country to deliver that and certainly not this country under SF.

We will all be on Sinn Fein food stamps....

5U5pect

Baby don't hurt me?

Dan_Solo

suicide_circus wrote: »

sure i dont see why the state dosnt just seize any profitable companies and just nationalize them, thats working a treat in Venezuela at the moment. :pac:

but you know, i wouldn't even mind being taxed to sh1t if i thought i would get top class services in return. but i dont trust this country to deliver that and certainly not this country under SF.

Well they kind of are. As long as you are mates with FF and FG and your name is AIB or similar... you don't even need to be profitable...

Iwasfrozen

Tokarev wrote: »

And you are stale and old Frozen, like the goverments of past and present.

I have the feeling you only voted SF as a protest vote. I suspect you're not really a republican like Dan has already admitted.

If I were a long term republican I would be severely worried about people like you diluting the character of the party.

The price of being mainstream.

Tokarev

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Another reason not to vote for them.

In your opinion

Dan_Solo

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I have the feeling you only voted SF as a protest vote. I suspect you're not really a republican like Dan has already admitted.

If I were a long term republican I would be severely worried about people like you diluting the character of the party.

The price of being mainstream.

A protest at all the other parties being corrupt and inept, yeah.

Iwasfrozen

Dan_Solo wrote: »

A protest at all the other parties being corrupt and inept, yeah.

Oh boy are you in for a disappointment.

suicide_circus

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Well they kind of are. As long as you are mates with FF and FG and your name is AIB or similar...

well in the case of Venezuela, the state seizes profitable companies and runs them into the ground. Here, the state pumped money into banks in order for the economy not to go into melt down. had we been in control of our own interest rates and not part of an economic union, the state might have let the banks fail.

This is the default response of a SF voter when in doubt:
https://imgflip.com/i/92u98

Tokarev

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I have the feeling you only voted SF as a protest vote. I suspect you're not really a republican like Dan has already admitted.

If I were a long term republican I would be severely worried about people like you diluting the character of the party.

The price of being mainstream.

Don't suspect anything that you know nothing about.

And mind your own business which what party i commit to.

Iwasfrozen

Tokarev wrote: »

Don't suspect anything that you know nothing about.

And mind your own business which what party i commit to.

That's the thing, you haven't committed, you're a protest voter the kind who made up the majority of SF votes on Friday.

These are not core followers, if SF ever do get into power, they'll abandon them as soon as they start implementing austerity.

Smidge

suicide_circus wrote: »

well in the case of Venezuela, the state seizes profitable companies and runs them into the ground. Here, the state pumped money into banks in order for the economy not to go into melt down. had we been in control of our own interest rates and not part of an economic union, the state might have let the banks fail.

This is the default response of a SF voter when in doubt:
https://imgflip.com/i/92u98

What exactly are you saying in this post?

Karl Stein

RobertKK wrote: »

If I start a company and it is successful, and I sell it, under Sinn Fein's tax policies I would have to give 43% of the profits to the state under capital gains tax.

You're under no obligation to sell anything. Also, people who start businesses usually want to hold unto them unless they are speculators and speculators rarely create anything other than economic bubbles.

It is not unreasonable to say that CGTax is primarily a tax on market speculation/manipulation and would probably lead to more stable economic growth.

suicide_circus

Smidge wrote: »

What exactly are you saying in this post?

nothing important, ignore me.

BuilderPlumber

Tiocfaidh ar La, Nidgie.

Smidge

suicide_circus wrote: »

nothing important, ignore me.

Grand so