Way to go Sinn Fein

Bannasidhe

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Have you interviewed all the children leaving, to find this out?

Don't be fatuous.

Chucky the tree

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I don't doubt it. I have seen enough of my own high achieving students leave to be in no doubt. We struggle to get 1:1s to stay and do post grad in Ireland because we can't compete - we have nothing to offer them

Apart from a post-grad? What do you mean you have nothing to offer them? What sector is it?

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I was one of those who left in the 80s - what does that have to do with now?
The world was a very different place then and Ireland was intent on staying in the 1950s - a lot of people left and not all for economic reasons. London was packed with Irish leftys who left in disgust over the 8th Amendment and gaymen who just wanted to have sex legally and lesbians because...well...Ireland...
Many returned due to Robinson's election and The Rainbow Coalition seeming to signal a liberalisation of Irish society. It meant a cut in salary for many - myself included, but we wanted to be home - to be Irish in Ireland, Ireland was changing and learning to accept diversity. We wanted our children to be Irish.

Now our children are leaving - not because they want to but because they can see no future here.

For those who do have a future, high qualified people who have potential to earn a lot also probably won't see much of a future if they have to pay extremely high tax.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

'Standard of living' isn't everything. Some people find family and community more important.

Not if everyone is leaving as you say though.

Karl Stein

comongethappy wrote: »

Your " Bannsidhe Plan" to cut 3 times what FG did will cause Armageddon for sure!

Stop fixating on one suggestion. I've suggested that the pay of all employees, paid from the public purse, should be a multiple of the AIW with nobody getting more than 4x.

I'd also suggest that the last third of pay of those paid from the public purse should be discretionary i.e. in special circumstances (like an economic shock) it can be reduced by a third overnight. This would have a twofold effect.

1. Those paid from the public purse in positions of influence would be more focused on stable growth.

2. They'd probably save most of the last third of their pay so in a downturn they'd start spending their saving to supplement their income/lifestyle which would help ameliorate a reduction in demand while the government can reduce its outgoings significantly overnight.

Bannasidhe

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Apart from a post-grad? What do you mean you have nothing to offer them? What sector is it?

Irish universities have been sliding down the international rankings for years making them less attractive.
The moratorium on jobs means universities cannot hold out the prospect of employment so career wise it is better to do your post-grad networking elsewhere.
Over crowded facilities and over worked lecturers.
No state grant aid except H Dip)/ limited scholarships.
No funds to pay tutors = no tutorial work for post-grads.
Lack of funds = deteriorating equipment.

Limited post-doc prospects and that as junior fellow on short term contract earning under 50k a year with no job security - And that person's situation I just described as typical is in cancer research

For those who do have a future, high qualified people who have potential to earn a lot also probably won't see much of a future if they have to pay extremely high tax.

More to life than money.

A lower tax rate is not going to comfort you if you get a call in the middle of the night in your Manhatten apartment telling you one of your parents is dead.

Not if everyone is leaving as you say though.

Where did I say everyone was leaving?

Karl Stein

Chucky the tree wrote: »

What do the get in return?

Motorways/roads, airports, ports, police, courts, prisons, hospitals, universities, graduates, publicly funded R&D, controlled borders, schools, defence, energy supply systems, tax breaks, mortgage relief etc.

It's a little disturbing that people like you have been so propagandised that you think those who pay 'high tax' get nothing in return.

The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state. The expense of government to the individuals of a great nation is like the expense of management to the joint tenants of a great estate, who are all obliged to contribute in proportion to their respective interests in the estate.

Adam Smith
Wealth of Nations