Way to go Sinn Fein

DubVelo

tomwaterford wrote: »

you are aware they like just take home the AIW and the rest geos to the party...so in effect with the governments refusal to cut all tds wages to the AIW they are effectively funding SF...I wonder deos the irony get to Gilmore tonight:pac::pac:

I was not aware of that. Interesting...

RandomName2

DubVelo wrote: »

the website specifies a public sector cap (there'll be riots, lol) and a non-specific cap in government salaries.:

the capping of public sector salaries at €100,000, increases of 10% in both Capital Gains and Capital Acquisitions taxes, and a cut in the salaries of government Ministers, TD's and Senators.

Increasing Capital gains and acquisition Tax? To what, 43%?

Flat cap on public sector?

Vague pronouncements concerning other cuts, and a nod at the fiction concerning Sinn Fein councillors only drawing average industrial wage?

Oh Sinn Fein, never stop being so hilarious. Socialist Party can be just as silly of course; just without the arm dump maps.

goat2

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Ahem.

thank you,
a little late now no building going on much
but what about those who are right now with children in homeless shelters, what
is that all about anyway,
the building industry has slowed down, so forget that there will be many homes built in the next few yrs, as i said, banks not giving a bob, so who will be building
multiple houses when there is no movement of money

goat2

Barely There wrote: »

You sound like a lovesick teenager.

teenager; no
lovesick; no
just my opinion.

Bannasidhe

RandomName2 wrote: »

Increasing Capital gains and acquisition Tax? To what, 43%?

Flat cap on public sector?

Vague pronouncements concerning other cuts, and a nod at the fiction concerning Sinn Fein councillors only drawing average industrial wage?

Oh Sinn Fein, never stop being so hilarious. Socialist Party can be just as silly of course; just without the arm dump maps.

I know right.

Nearly as funny as making a song and dance about setting pay caps for advisers and then have the Taoiseach and Minister for Finance break those caps. I laughed so much I cried.

mickydoomsux

goat2 wrote: »

thank you,
a little late now no building going on much
but what about those who are right now with children in homeless shelters, what
is that all about anyway,
the building industry has slowed down, so forget that there will be many homes built in the next few yrs, as i said, banks not giving a bob, so who will be building
multiple houses when there is no movement of money

So, they are doing exactly what you wanted but can't do it overnight so it doesn't count?

goat2

mickydoomsux wrote: »

So, they are doing exactly what you wanted but can't do it overnight so it doesn't count?

they should have been doing it all along, children in homeless shelters as rents are too high, rents should also be capped, there are lots of empty unfinished estates around the country with the past couple yrs, could they not have finished them off and rented them out to the people at an affordable rent to match their income.

Barely There

goat2 wrote: »

teenager; no
lovesick; no
just my opinion.

Well the main thing is that you gave me a good laugh.

I think it was the fawning sincerity of it that really pushed it into the funny-zone.


Well done.

tomwaterford

mickydoomsux wrote: »

So, they are doing exactly what you wanted but can't do it overnight so it doesn't count?

could they not releast the nama properties and flood the market causing reduction in prices due to increased supply
also could the govt not contract to build the social housing themselves???

to depend on builders to do it will either be right crap just thrown up or else it will be a nod and wink job with builders using loopholes lrft right and centre not to do it

Smidge

Barely There wrote: »

Well the main thing is that you gave me a good laugh.

I think it was the fawning sincerity of it that really pushed it into the funny-zone.


Well done.

What are you,12??
C'mon :rolleyes:

mickydoomsux

goat2 wrote: »

there are lots of empty unfinished estates around the country with the past couple yrs, could they not have finished them off and rented them out to the people at an affordable rent to match their income.

The estates, unfinished though they might be, belong to someone in most cases so the government can't just roll in there and finish them and start housing people in them.

Even with NAMA'ed estates the aim was to recoup some of the money that was borrowed to build them so they were looking for buyers rather than tenants.

It isn't a simple matter of just handing over the keys to an empty house and letting someone have at it.

suicide_circus

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The estates, unfinished though they might be, belong to someone in most cases so the government can't just roll in there and finish them and start housing people in them.

Even with NAMA'ed estates the aim was to recoup some of the money that was borrowed to build them so they were looking for buyers rather than tenants.

It isn't a simple matter of just handing over the keys to an empty house and letting someone have at it.

You'll never triple your vote with that kind of talk!

mickydoomsux

tomwaterford wrote: »

could they not releast the nama properties and flood the market causing reduction in prices due to increased supply

And completely kill off any kind of fledgling recovery in the property market?

Smidge

tomwaterford wrote: »

could they not releast the nama properties and flood the market causing reduction in prices due to increased supply
also could the govt not contract to build the social housing themselves???

to depend on builders to do it will either be right crap just thrown up or else it will be a nod and wink job with builders using loopholes lrft right and centre not to do it

Its happening already.
I know of 2 prime sites in Dublin that have been sat on for several years now.
Owners swore there would be no building on them, a few weeks ago, planning went up. Day after the government announced the new "initiative" planning was granted and I kid you not work began THAT VERY DAY.
Coincidence or collusion?

tomwaterford

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The estates, unfinished though they might be, belong to someone in most cases so the government can't just roll in there and finish them and start housing people in them.

Even with NAMA'ed estates the aim was to recoup some of the money that was borrowed to build them so they were looking for buyers rather than tenants.

It isn't a simple matter of just handing over the keys to an empty house and letting someone have at it.

most if not all unfinished estates are in NAMA as far as I know

why can they not give out the keys...cut the losses on the NAMA books...its madness paying developers 100K+ a year to ''manage'' properties...these are same lads that went broke:rolleyes::rolleyes: (type of cronisem IMO)


no one in all honesty expects NAMA to make a profit at this stage...lease out the properties/sell them for affordable houses...
no point in keeping houses back and rents going high and causing homelessness...it bnefits no one only landlords of buy to let properties

irishgrover

pablomakaveli wrote: »

That was more due to trying maintain an image of neutrality and out of respect for the German ambassador who had been quite well behaved during the war unlike the American ambassador.

Though with hindsight it was still a error in judgement on De Valeras part.

great to see that the business with Hitler was acknowledged by ex SF, then FF president as an "error of judgement" but targeting and murdering two children in Mullaghmore was and still is seen by current SF president as a legitimate target.
Possibly not a popular opinion but I ****ing hate them and what they stand for, ultra violent national socialists..., except they blame Brits, bankers and the middle class..instead of jews

tomwaterford

mickydoomsux wrote: »

And completely kill off any kind of fledgling recovery in the property market?

yes because a strong property market is such a positive thing for Ireland:rolleyes::rolleyes:

kill it to f&&K...why would we want to repeat mistakes of the past??

mrsbyrne

goat2 wrote: »

they should have been doing it all along, children in homeless shelters as rents are too high, rents should also be capped, there are lots of empty unfinished estates around the country with the past couple yrs, could they not have finished them off and rented them out to the people at an affordable rent to match their income.

Goat where are we going to find the money to finish off these houses and bring them up to the standard required for people to live in? Do you have any idea how much this will cost? Do you realise that the money will have to come from somewhere else, specifically by a huge increase in taxes? Please tell me exactly where you think the current government are hiding the money you think should be spent on housing? I look forward to your reply.

Smidge

irishgrover wrote: »

great to see that the business with Hitler was acknowledged by ex SF, then FF president as an "error of judgement" but targeting and murdering two children in Mullaghmore was and still is seen by current SF president as a legitimate target.
Possibly not a popular opinion but I ****ing hate them and what they stand for, ultra violent national socialists..., except they blame Brits, bankers and the middle class..instead of jews

Ah now, are we really going there again?

Stainless_Steel

I hate SF. End of. Retarded illogical populist policies. Don't understand basic sums.

tomwaterford

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Goat where are we going to find the money to finish off these houses and bring them up to the standard required for people to live in? Do you have any idea how much this will cost? Do you realise that the money will have to come from somewhere else, specifically by a huge increase in taxes? Please tell me exactly where you think the current government are hiding the money you think should be spent on housing? I look forward to your reply.

well they seem to have no bother squandering billions on banks...getting pay cap rises for there cronies/special advisers

suicide_circus

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Goat where are we going to find the money to finish off these houses and bring them up to the standard required for people to live in? Do you have any idea how much this will cost? Do you realise that the money will have to come from somewhere else, specifically by a huge increase in taxes? Please tell me exactly where you think the current government are hiding the money you think should be spent on housing? I look forward to your reply.

And here in lies the problem. SF want to cure the nations ills while not increasing tax for anyone but the "super rich" who already pay the vast majority of tax taken. Pie in the sky stuff.

mickydoomsux

tomwaterford wrote: »

yes because a strong property market is such a positive thing for Ireland:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yeah, a healthy indigenous industry is definitely something we don't need.

All those horrible new jobs. Yuck.

Smidge

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Goat where are we going to find the money to finish off these houses and bring them up to the standard required for people to live in? Do you have any idea how much this will cost? Do you realise that the money will have to come from somewhere else, specifically by a huge increase in taxes? Please tell me exactly where you think the current government are hiding the money you think should be spent on housing? I look forward to your reply.

You clearly have no idea so of how much is being paid to private landlords, hostels, hotels and b&b's to accommodate people.

goat2

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Goat where are we going to find the money to finish off these houses and bring them up to the standard required for people to live in? Do you have any idea how much this will cost? Do you realise that the money will have to come from somewhere else, specifically by a huge increase in taxes? Please tell me exactly where you think the current government are hiding the money you think should be spent on housing? I look forward to your reply.

they pledge some to charity, well using some of that charity money to do a bit of charity at home would be looking after those on our own doorstep first,

tomwaterford

suicide_circus wrote: »

And here in lies the problem. SF want to cure the nations ills while not increasing tax for anyone but the "super rich" who already pay the vast majority of tax taken. Pie in the sky stuff.

tbh if 20% holds 80% of Irelands wealth (think it is a report from last year)....its not complety off the wall to suggest they pay there fair share

mickydoomsux

tomwaterford wrote: »

well they seem to have no bother squandering billions on banks...getting pay cap rises for there cronies/special advisers

So you have no actual suggestion then.

mickydoomsux

tomwaterford wrote: »

tbh if 20% holds 80% of Irelands wealth (think it is a report from last year)....its not complety off the wall to suggest they pay there fair share

They already pay the largest chunk of the tax take so in a way they already pay more than their fair share.

suicide_circus

tomwaterford wrote: »

tbh if 20% holds 80% of Irelands wealth (think it is a report from last year)....its not complety off the wall to suggest they pay there fair share

They do though. 16% of irish people earn more than 60k pa. These people pay 73% of the tax.

tomwaterford

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Yeah, a healthy indigenous industry is definitely something we don't need.

All those horrible new jobs. Yuck.

you are aware of what happened the end of last housing boom in Ireland like???
HINT:the main reason Irelands economy is in the mess its in now!!!

to suggest it is healthy industry is far from the truth...it is backed up people borrowing unsuistainably which will have to be paid back with yours and mine saving in the event of a collapse (see Cyprus)

to actively go out and seek to repeat mistakes of the past...if this is the best proposal politians can come up with...we will be facing into worse ruin again in a few years

why do you want to repeat this mess again????