Way to go Sinn Fein

BuilderPlumber

Smidge wrote: »

Oh god, they're in from the pubs :eek::rolleyes:

Yeah, just back from Napper Tandy's!

Smidge

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Yeah, just back from Napper Tandy's!

Good night?

NipNip

mickydoomsux wrote: »

You truly are a buffoon who has completely missed the point.

Grand, we'll go with your idea. We don't need a healthy property market anymore. Let's stop building houses, hospitals, business premises etc. All those unemployed construction industry types can stay unemployed and the people who need these new buildings can just go ****e.

Have you driven around half of the country?

While there may be a shortage of housing in Dublin, there is an abundance of vacant houses beyond the pale. This, then you have every second retail unit in my local town lying vacant, we have a monstrous white elephant of a shopping centre lying vacant in the middle of the town, there is an empty army barracks sitting just next to the white elephant.

If you drive out any of the roads where businesses once thrived, they are now empty. Office blocks, massive retail units, warehouses etc. Vacant. 50% of this town is simply waiting for businesses to open up.

There are two multinationals here alright. Extremely profitable businesses who enjoy a tiny corporate tax rate - to be honest I'm not sure if they even pay tax here. They 'employ' as many people on job-bridge as they are allowed. They don't pay these people. The government pays the auld dole + 50 euros a week for 6-9 months. The multinationals get these suckers for free.

There is no hospital here. A&E facilities in the next town were closed. In the hospital in the other direction, half of the beds are unoccupied, while people lie on trollies in A&E.

There is a youth unemployment rate of 24% here.

SMEs open and close within weeks. Banks are not lending, people are not spending.

There is a high crime rate here. Gardaí are overstretched. Garda stations in the surrounding villages have been either closed entirely or now operate for 2 hours per day only.

Mental health facilities are pretty much non existent - unless you consider a waiting list of a year plus for any sort of treatment as an adequate health facility. Drug addiction is rife. Anti-social behaviour is rife.

Pie in the sky economic policies alright. And SF had nothing to do with them.

NipNip

Oh and just on the recent announcements of 'jobs created' lol. I love the way the government announces that THEY have created new jobs. In this town in 2008, the then Minister for Enterprise, Micháel Martin announced that one of the multinationals here would create 140 new jobs by 2013. What actually happened was that in early March 2009, the multinational made 10% of its then workforce redundant. :pac:

If anyone wants links to back-up the above, feel free to pm me.

Banjo String

. From the paper who brought us so many sensationalist, anti SF headlines in the Last few days........

"The government will try and dismiss this as a wrap on the knuckles for them but it's far more than that, this is a major shift in power," stated the Republican Party leader.

Of counted seats in Dublin City Council, being counted in the RDS, where Mr Adams was visiting, Sinn Fein has 59pc of them.

He also said that it is hard to say how his four-day questioning by the PSNI during the campaign affected their all over vote. "We could have got more votes who knows," he said.

59% of Dublin


So far........

SF will use its mandate carefully and honestly, they will represent all, even the nay sayers.

SF abu.

Reformed Character

Banjo String wrote: »

. From the paper who brought us so many sensationalist, anti SF headlines in the Last few days........




59% of Dublin


So far........

SF will use its mandate carefully and honestly, they will represent all, even the nay sayers.

SF abu.

A huge result Banjo String.
Now you know I'm no lover of SF but the result has to be accepted and respected.
I only hope that Mr Adams lives up to his promise to use the mandate carefully and to represent everyone including those who voted against them.

Banjo String

upyores wrote: »

A huge result Banjo String.
Now you know I'm no lover of SF but the result has to be accepted and respected.
I only hope that Mr Adams lives up to his promise to use the mandate carefully and to represent everyone including those who voted against them.

SF will represent every citizen of the country in a fair and equal manner, even those who refuse to recognise them as a legitimate established party.

I particularly like the slogan used during Lynn Boylans MEP election campaign:

Irelands voice in Europe, not Europe's voice in Ireland.

Must be highly embarrassing for Brian Hayes. An unknown trouncing him in the capital.

bumper234

Banjo String wrote: »

SF will represent every citizen of the country in a fair and equal manner, even those who refuse to recognise them as a legitimate established party.

I particularly like the slogan used during Lynn Boylans MEP election campaign:

Irelands voice in Europe, not Europe's voice in Ireland.

Must be highly embarrassing for Brian Hayes. An unknown trouncing him in the capital.

You sound like a bible basher trying to convince an atheist that Jeebus is their saviour, i suppose he does have the beard

Banjo String

bumper234 wrote: »

You sound like a bible basher trying to convince an atheist that Jeebus is their saviour, i suppose he does have the beard

Just doing my best to add some tears to cornflakes at breakfast time.

It's not as shilly this morning has anyone noticed.

bumper234

Banjo String wrote: »

Just doing my best to add some tears to cornflakes at breakfast time.

It's not as shilly this morning has anyone noticed.

Thankfully i don't eat cornflakes

Sinn Feins past isn't an issue anymore for most voters it appears.

Running a campaign with new young candidates was a masterstroke.

Young people in general have done well this time around

Smidge

Smidge wrote: »

Good night?

Never the same since Git and Danno went :pac:

RobertKK

Karl Stein wrote: »

Most people start businesses because they are entrepreneurs rather than speculators. Speculators buy and sell businesses so why shouldn't they be taxed in line with everyone else?



Rubbish. They plan on making those who benefit most from the economy pay in respect to the privileges they enjoy from it.



Those who seek to energize the upward distribution of wealth will only hasten the destruction of the system that underpins their privileges.

Selling a business is not speculation, if one got a great offer it would be foolish to not consider it.
If I sell an asset, let say shares I own and use it to buy land to expand my business. Under SF's tax policies I would have less money to expand my business due to €1,000 more tax per every €10,000 sold excluding the €1270 allowance.
So then I would need to go to the bank to borrow more money, but it is not easy to get money from banks unless one was like some of SF's comrades who just robbed banks.

Reformed Character

rarnes1 wrote: »

Sinn Feins past isn't an issue anymore for most voters it appears.

Running a campaign with new young candidates was a masterstroke.

Young people in general have done well this time around

Most people didn't vote SF.
Most people voted independent, perhaps (we don't know, of course) because they wanted to hurt the shower that are in but couldn't stomach voting SF.
In fact while SF did increase their vote massively, the increase on their general election vote was less than the increase in FF vote since the GE.
They have achieved 16% far less than the 23-24% the polls said they were on.
Despite everything that FF did to this state, SF still lag 8 points behind them in the actual vote.
All that said it was a hell of an achievement, but questions still linger about the sustainability of that vote come the next general election.

Banjo String

RobertKK wrote: »

Selling a business is not speculation, if one got a great offer it would be foolish to not consider it.
If I sell an asset, let say shares I own and use it to buy land to expand my business. Under SF's tax policies I would have less money to expand my business due to €1,000 more tax per every €10,000 sold excluding the €1270 allowance.
So then I would need to go to the bank to borrow more money, but it is not easy to get money from banks unless one was like some of SF's comrades who just robbed banks .

That you Enda?

How's the head this morning? Any news on Henry yet :pac:

goz83

I think i'll be havin weetabix.

As one who voted in FG in the GE, I see some good changes have been made in the recovery if Ireland, but the wrong decisions have been made to protect the people of Ireland and I am annoyed at Fine Gael. Labour have not surprised me at all. Their desperate bid for power will have crippled their party for years to come. I knew at the time that their leader had no spine. Remember "gilmore for taoiseach" hahaha. Even back then he was slow to take the posters down and climb under the bed covers of Enda Kenny. FG and LP got no votes in this LE from me. I almost didn't vote tbh. When I did, it was mainly independent. I gave AAA a vote for Europe, where we need a bit of mouthing off instead of the wagging heads we've had there since the last election.

I'm not a SF supporter and i am not anti SF. I am just cautious about them being in power. I think it is better to see how they do with local government, so people will have a taste of them and see what they are made of. This could be a very good thing and is what i personally hoped for and predicted would happen (with my done deal crystal ball). They have overshot my expectation with the seats filled thus far. Lets see how this all pans out. Though i expect Labour to be a crippled party at the end of the coming GE. Congrats to SF on this victory. The people have spoken. I only hope they have put their vote to the right party.

Phoebas

At the point SF must be kicking themselves that they didn't run even more candidates.
In Dublin, it looks like every single candidate they put forward will get elected - most of them quite easily.

RobertKK

Banjo String wrote: »

That you Enda?

How's the head this morning? Any news on Henry yet :pac:

Enda Kenny the serial liar?

No that is not me.

Dan_Solo

upyores wrote: »

Most people didn't vote SF.
Most people voted independent, perhaps (we don't know, of course) because they wanted to hurt the shower that are in but couldn't stomach voting SF.

Is that line in the Dumb Things To Say About SF At Election Time leaflet from The Indo?
"Most people didn't vote for" any party you want to pick. So 3/4 of the population are disgusted with FG or FF etc.
Pathetic argument.

Donkey Oaty

upyores wrote: »

They have achieved 16% far less than the 23-24% the polls said they were on.

That's worth remembering for future opinion polls, because that's quite a gap.

Gerry Adams' take on this, as quoted in Irish Times:

Asked about the lower showing in the actual elections than in the polls, the Sinn Féin president said “we couldn’t match the opinion poll ratings we were given because we don’t have the organisation, the structure, the resources, the candidates. So we have to build that.”

RobertKK

On the news that FF could get the most seats in local elections but it is a battle with SF.

A Dub in Glasgo

RobertKK wrote: »

Selling a business is not speculation, if one got a great offer it would be foolish to not consider it.
If I sell an asset, let say shares I own and use it to buy land to expand my business. Under SF's tax policies I would have less money to expand my business due to €1,000 more tax per every €10,000 sold excluding the €1270 allowance.
So then I would need to go to the bank to borrow more money, but it is not easy to get money from banks unless one was like some of SF's comrades who just robbed banks.

You could tap up your other mates who have avoided and evaded tax for years, maybe they will help you out?

Donkey Oaty

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Is that line in the Dumb Things To Say About SF At Election Time leaflet from The Indo?
"Most people didn't vote for" any party you want to pick. So 3/4 of the population are disgusted with FG or FF etc.
Pathetic argument.

Hang on there Dan, he was responding to this:

Sinn Feins past isn't an issue anymore for most voters it appears.

RobertKK

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

You could tap up your other mates who have avoided and evaded tax for years, maybe they will help you out?

Who are my mates that evaded and avoided tax for years?

Grumpy Greg

Schadenfreude for the Labour hypocrites and congrats to the Shinners.

Dan_Solo

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Hang on there Dan, he was responding to this:

I don't care who said it in response to what really.
Some percentage didn't vote for whoever because of whatever is just effluent.

The Backwards Man

Phoebas wrote: »

At the point SF must be kicking themselves that they didn't run even more candidates.
In Dublin, it looks like every single candidate they put forward will get elected - most of them quite easily.

Ha, I'd say they managed it very well. Knowing a lot of the Dublin constituencies would be the first to return, less candidates means more elected on the first day of the count, giving the impression that the SF share of the vote is much higher than it really is. Nobody pays as much attention to the second day of the count, where FF have already overtaken them, so PR job well and truly successful.

I might despise them, but I have to admit they are the most well oiled political machine in the country.

Reformed Character

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Is that line in the Dumb Things To Say About SF At Election Time leaflet from The Indo?
"Most people didn't vote for" any party you want to pick. So 3/4 of the population are disgusted with FG or FF etc.
Pathetic argument.

No as pathetic as your usual petty small-minded response.
Care to deal with what I posted and the context (it was a reply to another poster)?
SF did second best against independents, that's a fact.
SF support rose almost but not as much as FF, that's a fact.
Notwithstanding those points I have repeatedly congratulated them on their success and stated that I believe the mandate they have received must be both accepted and respected (it ill behoves any other party to say they wont go into gov with SF when SF have established themselves as the third biggest party in the state).
Perhaps if you read the posts of others in the context they were written and became less defensive this thread would get somewhere. In the same way that the "Shinnerbot" label has been banned (rightly so) then perhaps "Indo Sheepie" response should also be put aside.

nilsonmickey

When is the elections and why?

Reformed Character

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I don't care who said it in response to what really.

And there in Dan lies the problem, you don't read , you don't listen, you just attack.