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Way to go Sinn Fein

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The past is less important to me than the future, I'd be willing to vote for SF too if they purged all the ex-terrorists from the party.

    'purged' - interesting term to use.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Not really, a terrorist in my eyes is any person who uses violence to force political change.

    Every army ever so :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,013 ✭✭✭davycc


    So much bitterness towards SF and their growing voters its petty and childish but thats the status quo in afterhours:D

    Im delighted today as a member of SF I proudly voted Darren O Rourke number 1 in meath east -The tallies show that he will exceed the quota on the first count and be elected:D

    Same goes for Matt Carthy who I gave my Euro vote number1 to and was not doing too badly last I seen. :P

    SF Abu ! onwards and upwards:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Not really, a terrorist in my eyes is any person who uses violence to force political change.


    ...unless they're British/Loyalists, rather famously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    'purged' - interesting term to use.

    focusing on one word from a persons post is not a reply.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    I love random comments that bear no relevance to anything , on the day of my wedding I won two Euros on a scratch card.

    Jesus. Me too!! Do we er.... know each other?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    From the Wall Street Journal
    DUBLIN—Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny and his Labour Party coalition partners have suffered a huge slump in support in European and local elections as voters kicked back against the long years of painful austerity measures, according to an exit poll released Saturday morning.
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    Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny arrives at a European Union leaders summit in Brussels on March 21 Reuters






    Friday's local and European elections are a key midterm test of the coalition, its first since it swept to power at the height of the country's crisis more than three years ago, and the outcome could strain relations between Mr. Kenny's Fine Gael, a right-of-center party, and its junior coalition partner, Labour, a left-of-center party led by Deputy Prime Minister Eamon Gilmore. At the early 2011 parliamentary elections, the two parties won a huge combined vote of 56%.
    Ireland has been hailed by the European Union as the poster child for austerity and its exit from its three-year bailout in December cited as proof of what compliant countries can achieve.
    However, the exit poll by Irish broadcaster RTE News following Friday's European and local elections suggests that voters have delivered a severe blow to Mr. Kenny's coalition and switched support to independents, Sinn Féin and other opposition parties that are known for their strident opposition to austerity.
    The poll suggests that Mr. Kenny's Fine Gael party will win 22% of the votes in the European elections, down sharply from its 36% result in the 2011 parliamentary elections, while junior partner Labour will win 6% of the vote—a slump from the 19% it won more than three years ago.
    Fianna Fáil, the largest opposition party, will win 22% of the European vote, up from its 17.5% result in 2011, while Sinn Féin, the second-largest opposition party, will climb to 17% from the 10% of the vote it won in 2011, RTE News said.
    Independent candidates and other parties will win at least 27% of the European vote, the poll also suggests. The exit poll of 3,081 voters has a margin of error of 1.7%. Results of the votes to fill 11 seats to represent Ireland at the European Parliament won't be officially declared before Sunday evening, but early estimates will be known before then.
    The government has said that the program of tax increases and spending cuts is almost complete and were necessary to bring the country back from financial ruin following its huge banking and property bust in 2008. But a number of Labour government ministers conceded Saturday that voters had punished the coalition, and the Labour Party in particular, for its support of austerity measures, such as new property and water taxes.
    Energy Minister and senior Labour politician Pat Rabbitte said that voters had vented "their vengeance in the ballot box," and were telling the coalition that they had had enough of the long years of tax increases and spending cuts. The government would continue to mend the economy, while "very positive" indicators suggested recovery was under way, he said.
    "People wanted to give us a good smack [on Friday] and that happened," Budget Minister and senior Labour politician Brendan Howlin said.
    Counting of ballots to fill almost 950 seats in local elections also started Saturday. The RTE exit poll suggests that Mr. Kenny's Fine Gael will win 24% of the local votes, and Mr. Gilmore's Labour will secure 7% of the local ballots. Independents will poll at least 28%, while Fianna Fáil will win 22% and Sinn Féin 16% of the local votes, the exit poll says.
    Counting of votes in two parliamentary by-elections that also took place Friday also started Saturday.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Adamantium


    I never understand guff like this , people seem to think that FF FG LB have nothing but geniuses in their parties , super intelligent people and the country would fall apart without all of their combined brainpower . Even after the chosen leaders of these parties are proven crooks , corrupt and inept people just keep voting these parties back into power

    Now i am not affiliated with SF in any way but i want them to be given a chance , the old guard have had their time and they have ruined this country and ruined all of our kids futures

    But people just keep voting for them ,afraid to go a different route, and in a way they cant be blamed for that as they have been brainwashed and told on tv that if you decide to vote a different way things will get even worse

    It reminds me of when you decide to split up with someone and you tell them you no longer love them cause you think they are crazy and they beg you to stay and tell you that they know they are crazy but your next partner will probably be crazier

    Desperation and people keep falling for it

    People have always failed by not learning their history, brainwashing is everywhere.

    Perhaps people should stop falling for brainwashing everywhere, and read up a few books on economic theory and the fall of societies time and time again ad nauseum and then

    You want

    to hand it over

    To SF, or any socialist left wing party, my god. (which is what all parties now anyway, but SF is further left than that)

    Don't drive the nails in any further.

    And it's not just them either...

    The idea of "People before Profit" on a long enough timescale is absurd in reality, think about the those words how can country prosper if people don't profit, eventually a slow decay always begins.

    Great we're people, woppee friggin do, but what do we all stolen off each other and drove any budding entrepeuneurs out of the country. That is happening in the USA and every western country at the moment

    Money: BAD. Freedom: BAD. Lower taxes:BAD
    What you make for yourself: BAD "Let me have some of that, don't be greedy"

    Information has never been so widely available, the world in two weeks produces more data than came out during of all the middle ages and through distraction, CHARISMA, we simply forget to do any research.

    It'll be done for us, and they're right, IT WILL

    It will be done to us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    focusing on one word from a persons post is not a reply.

    Being ok voting for political parties founded by 'terrorists' as long as those 'terrorists' are no longer there - like Dev, Collins, Connelly etc - but the party ethos remains the same is hair splitting of the highest order.

    Besides - the truth is you have no idea- or no way of knowing - if members of other political parties were also members of 'terrorist' organisations (given such membership is usually secret) so your problem seems to be with the political party that doesn't lie about its past.

    As for 'purging' - how very totalitarian.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    The Shinners will be back to their 10% core vote of radical students, barstool republicans and economic illeterates who buy into their magic bean solution to the economy come the general election in 2016.

    Today's as good as it gets if you're a Shinner - and really, it's not very good is it?

    Barely limping over the 15% mark apparently:D


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    focusing on one word from a persons post is not a reply.
    It's right up there with "cop on" in uselessness isn't it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Being ok voting for political parties founded by 'terrorists' as long as those 'terrorists' are no longer there - like Dev, Collins, Connelly etc - but the party ethos remains the same is hair splitting of the highest order.

    Besides - the truth is you have no idea- or no way of knowing - if members of other political parties were also members of 'terrorist' organisations (given such membership is usually secret) so your problem seems to be with the political party that doesn't lie about its past.

    As for 'purging' - how very totalitarian.
    There's no hairsplitting at all, I simply will never vote for a party that has self confessed terrorists within it's ranks.

    Whether a party was founded by terrorists is unimportant to me because I am willing to forgive and move on as long as the party is repentant but SF are not.

    Should SF purge itself or all ex-terrorists I would consider voting for them regardless of their past but until that day I will never soil my vote by giving it to SF.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    It's right up there with "cop on" in uselessness isn't it?
    There really isn't any other answer to your "workers of the world unite" nonsense other than cop on I'm afraid.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    The Shinners will be back to their 10% core vote of radical students, barstool republicans and economic illeterates who buy into their magic bean solution to the economy come the general election in 2016.

    Today's as good as it gets if you're a Shinner - and really, it's not very good is it?

    Barely limping over the 15% mark apparently:D
    Limping higher then ever before, yes.
    BTW, are you copying n pasting from a separate document called "tedious anti-SF slurs" or just from your own word for word identical posts over the last few day?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    The Shinners will be back to their 10% core vote of radical students, barstool republicans and economic illeterates who buy into their magic bean solution to the economy come the general election in 2016.

    Today's as good as it gets if you're a Shinner - and really, it's not very good is it?

    Barely limping over the 15% mark apparently:D
    They've pretty much doubled to tripled their seats in fairness. If they roll out a good performance coming up to the next general or if they show a bit of a voice in europe running up to the next election, that figure could lead them into a coalition. It's all on fianna fail and fine gael to drop popularity,and there's still enough time to do so. LEts just pray they dont...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    There's no hairsplitting at all, I simply will never vote for a party that has self confessed terrorists within it's ranks.

    Whether a party was founded by terrorists is unimportant to me because I am willing to forgive and move on as long as the party is repentant but SF are not.

    Should SF purge itself or all ex-terrorists I would consider voting for them regardless of their past but until that day I will never soil my vote by giving it to SF.

    Well then don't plenty of people don't agree with their actions but plenty do or at least understand them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    There really isn't any other answer to your "workers of the world unite" nonsense other than cop on I'm afraid.
    I didn't say that. Hard luck on screwing up yet again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Well then don't plenty of people don't agree with their actions but plenty do or at least understand them.
    "Understand" should never be confused with "sympathetic" I "understand" the IRAs history and that's why I loath them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    There's no hairsplitting at all, I simply will never vote for a party that has self confessed terrorists within it's ranks..
    So SF can rely on your vote at the next election since not one of them are on record as declaring themselves a terrorist or ex-terrorist?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭padma


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    "Understand" should never be confused with "sympathetic" I "understand" the IRAs history and that's why I loath them.

    What you resist persists...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 753 ✭✭✭Jonny Blaze


    "Publicly no".

    So Devalera was not publicly pro-nazi/pro-German at the time of WW2.

    Cant really expect much more than that I suppose.

    I apologise. I misread, he was not publicly pro nazi at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Limping higher then ever before, yes.
    BTW, are you copying n pasting from a separate document called "tedious anti-SF slurs" or just from your own word for word identical posts over the last few day?

    Truth hurt Mr. 23%?

    Aww diddums.

    Not go quite as expected for you?


    I'm afraid you just have to accept you live in a society in which the vast majority find your political views morally repugnant and reprehensible.

    Sorry 'bout that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Well done Sinn Fein people voted for them I did not vote for them due to a few reasons the main 2 beng 1. I do not think there economic pledges are sustainable but I suppose when you are in the opposition you can say anything. 2. There claims of only been paid a minimum wage (along with other parties it must be said) yet when you look at what they do is they take all the money and give the remainder to the party machine. They still take the full amount if they want only to take a certain amount is tell the people who pay there wages to put the rest back in the coffers for hopefully the betterment of the country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I agree with you in general, a person should not be discriminated against based on their wages or education. But a person who admits to voting for a party that supports terrorists is fair ground for scouring or questioning their intelligence imo.

    And by the same token I would have to question the people who KEEP voting for FF/FG.
    They can only be of two schools as far as I can see.
    The first being the people whose father voted FF/FG so they do likewise or have had "Paddy" the local guy "sort" something out for them.
    The second is the people who haven't suffered under their governance or are totally blind to corruption, incompetence, greed, wanton disregard and arrogance of these parties.
    I see time and again people posting about SF and terrorism etc etc(I'm not a shinner btw, I voted independant).Its brought up and dragged out at every hands turn. Were their atrocities? Yes. Were they on both sides? Yes. Did anyone here live through what a lot of Northern Catholics endured under UK rule which led to the war in the first place? I highly doubt it. I didn't live there and suffer through it(and technically I'm a catholic, albeit non practicing but I would have come under that banner as I'm almost 40 so the right age bracket). People spouting about the "Troubles" when all they know of it is from a textbook or the internet for point scoring, well to me is pointless.

    And this leads me back to the above.
    It really seems that "selective alzheimers" is the disorder of the day.
    Have people REALLY forgotten about "Lecherous Haughey" and how he bought arms for the IRA and stole more bloody money than anyone here will ever see in a 100 lifetimes(Moriarty), "Sneering Bertie" and how well he valued his countrymen when they were suffering at the hands of his government and his "advice" was to top themselves(which btw Bertie a lot of people did, so thanks for the tip). "Slimy Cowen" and his banking buddies(really need say no more on this score) and "Smirking Enda" whose arrogance apparently knows no bounds and we won't even bother digging around Gilmore and Rabbittes history with the Workers Party.
    I always say "People in glass houses should try and close their curtains better"


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Truth hurt Mr. 23%?

    Aww diddums.

    Not go quite as expected for you?


    I'm afraid you just have to accept you live in a society in which the vast majority find your political views morally repugnant and reprehensible.

    Sorry 'bout that.
    Er, in that case the "vast majority" find FF, FG or Labour morally repugnant and reprehensible since they don't for them either.
    Lame lame lame line of attack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Smidge wrote: »
    And by the same token I would have to question the people who KEEP voting for FF/FG.
    They can only be of two schools as far as I can see.
    The first being the people whose father voted FF/FG so they do likewise or have had "Paddy" the local guy "sort" something out for them.
    The second is the people who haven't suffered under their governance or are totally blind to corruption, incompetence, greed, wanton disregard and arrogance of these parties.
    I see time and again people posting about SF and terrorism etc etc(I'm not a shinner btw, I voted independant).Its brought up and dragged out at every hands turn. Were their atrocities? Yes. Were they on both sides? Yes. Did anyone here live through what a lot of Northern Catholics endured under UK rule which led to the war in the first place? I highly doubt it. I didn't live there and suffer through it(and technically I'm a catholic, albeit non practicing but I would have come under that banner as I'm almost 40 so the right age bracket). People spouting about the "Troubles" when all they know of it is from a textbook or the internet for point scoring, well to me is pointless.
    While I am too young to have seen the news reels from the 60s and 70s I don't accept for a second that terrorist activity was forced on the nationalist community and anyone who tries to insist it was is in my eyes only justifying the violence and atrocities that took place up there.
    And this leads me back to the above.
    It really seems that "selective alzheimers" is the disorder of the day.
    Have people REALLY forgotten about "Lecherous Haughey" and how he bought arms for the IRA and stole more bloody money than anyone here will ever see in a 100 lifetimes(Moriarty), "Sneering Bertie" and how well he valued his countrymen when they were suffering at the hands of his government and his "advice" was to top themselves(which btw Bertie a lot of people did, so thanks for the tip). "Slimy Cowen" and his banking buddies(really need say no more on this score) and "Smirking Enda" whose arrogance apparently knows no bounds and we won't even bother digging around Gilmore and Rabbittes history with the Workers Party.
    I always say "People in glass houses should try and close their curtains better"
    The fact that FF was corrupt is neither a reason nor justification for voting for SF, there are other parties to vote for instead of FF, FG or Labour.

    Neither should corruption, bad as it is, ever be compared in severity to actual armed insurrection by a group of people who killed Irish people and refused to recognise our democratically mandated state.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    I have absolutely zero time for SF for various reasons but they campaigned well and got votes. Can't argue with success.

    What's infinitely more worrying is the substantial upswing in FF voters. Didn't take long for some people to forget, eh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    The junior coalition party is a poisoned chalice. The Lib Dems in Britain and Labour in Ireland getting wiped out at the local elections.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    While I am too young to have seen the news reels from the 60s and 70s I don't accept for a second that terrorist activity was forced on the nationalist community and anyone who tries to insist it was is in my eyes only justifying the violence and atrocities that took place up there.

    How can you be so cemented in your opinion when you have no clue of what it was like to live under the conditions of the time?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    I have absolutely zero time for SF for various reasons but they campaigned well and got votes. Can't argue with success.

    What's infinitely more worrying is the substantial upswing in FF voters. Didn't take long for some people to forget, eh?

    Eating bread is soon forgotten. It was my first time voting, as a young person I made sure where to put those cronies


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