Way to go Sinn Fein

MaroonAndGreen

Looks like Sinn Féin are on the up. Give them a chance I say, gave them my votes today anyway.

Iwasfrozen

wazky wrote: »

How can you be so cemented in your opinion when you have no clue of what it was like to live under the conditions of the time?

Why do you assume I have no clue? I'm from a border region with friends and family who lived during the troubles.

Things were bad no doubt, but I don't accept for a second terrorism was the answer.

wazky

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Things were bad no doubt, but I don't accept for a second terrorism was the answer.

What was the answer then?

rockatansky

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why do you assume I have no clue? I'm from a border region with friends and family who lived during the troubles.

Things were bad no doubt, but I don't accept for a second terrorism was the answer.

Understatement of the year.

RobbingBandit

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Looks like Sinn Féin are on the up. Give them a chance I say, gave them my votes today anyway.

Don't you mean yesterday.

Iwasfrozen

wazky wrote: »

What was the answer then?

The opposite of violence. :rolleyes:

wazky

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The opposite of violence. :rolleyes:

Which is?

comongethappy

wazky wrote: »

Which is?

Dialogue I would have thought.

wazky

comongethappy wrote: »

Dialogue I would have thought.

Dialogue and peaceful protests were tried numerous times, almost always met by extreme violence.

Smidge

comongethappy wrote: »

Dialogue I would have thought.

I would have said pacifism but that would have worked out real well

Bannasidhe

Barely There wrote: »

Truth hurt Mr. 23%?

Aww diddums.

Not go quite as expected for you?


I'm afraid you just have to accept you live in a society in which the vast majority find your political views morally repugnant and reprehensible.

Sorry 'bout that.

So 'morally' repugnant that three ex British soldiers I know- all of whom joined up in the 1970s and did tours of duty in NI - voted SF.

What is morally repugnant is taking medical health cards from those who need them while at the same time claiming an allowance for dry cleaning.

MaroonAndGreen

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Don't you mean yesterday.

Yes I mean yesterday :P

Barely There

Bannasidhe wrote: »

What is morally repugnant is taking medical health cards from those who need them while at the same time claiming an allowance for dry cleaning.

I doubt anyone who supports a party containing convicted child-killers really gives a **** about medical cards to be honest.

They've obviously got an severe empathy deficit.

Seaneh

comongethappy wrote: »

Dialogue I would have thought.

Like the time Nationalists had that march for equal rights and the para's shot a load of them for no reason?

That worked out well, the non-violent stuff.

Smidge

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

While I am too young to have seen the news reels from the 60s and 70s I don't accept for a second that terrorist activity was forced on the nationalist community and anyone who tries to insist it was is in my eyes only justifying the violence and atrocities that took place up there.


The fact that FF was corrupt is neither a reason nor justification for voting for SF, there are other parties to vote for instead of FF, FG or Labour.

Neither should corruption, bad as it is, ever be compared in severity to actual armed insurrection by a group of people who killed Irish people and refused to recognise our democratically mandated state.

Ah c'mon, sure the war of Independance was considered "terrorism" by those who ruled.
Gandhi was a once off.

So don't vote for any of these parties then?
That certainly slims it down. You should watch out for that! If other posters on here read that you'll be a "lefty-loonie" in ten seconds flat and s such your opinion will be totally mocked and disregarded in every single other debate on here. EVER.

Unknown Soldier

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why do you assume I have no clue? I'm from a border region with friends and family who lived during the troubles.

Things were bad no doubt, but I don't accept for a second terrorism was the answer.

Saying it wasn't "forced upon them" and that it "wasn't the answer" are two different things.

You get that? yeah?

Iwasfrozen

Smidge wrote: »

Ah c'mon, sure the war of Independance was considered "terrorism" by those who ruled.
Gandhi was a once off.

So don't vote for any of these parties then?
That certainly slims it down. You should watch out for that! If other posters on here read that you'll be a "lefty-loonie" in ten seconds flat and s such your opinion will be totally mocked and disregarded in every single other debate on here. EVER.

I don't care if a party was founded by terrorists, just so long as it doesn't have any within its rank presently like SF does.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90532852&postcount=224

Bannasidhe

Barely There wrote: »

I doubt anyone who supports a party containing convicted child-killers really gives a **** about medical cards to be honest.

They've obviously got an severe empathy deficit.

If you do not understand the events that lead to the resurgence of the PIRA and SF then it is you who lack empathy for a community denied their civil rights by their own government.

But I am sure that should you ever find yourself a member of an oppressed minority in your own country (and however you consider it - it is their country be it Ireland or part of the UK) where peaceful civil rights marchers are shot by 'your' army you will knuckle down and take it with never a thought of defending yourself, your family or your community.

Dan_Solo

Bannasidhe wrote: »

So 'morally' repugnant that three ex British soldiers I know- all of whom joined up in the 1970s and did tours of duty in NI - voted SF.

What is morally repugnant is taking medical health cards from those who need them while at the same time claiming an allowance for dry cleaning.

But it's such a meaningless statement it's not even worth listening to.
The "vast majority" didn't vote for FG a the last general election either and they're in power now.

tipptom

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I have absolutely zero time for SF for various reasons but they campaigned well and got votes. Can't argue with success.

What's infinitely more worrying is the substantial upswing in FF voters. Didn't take long for some people to forget, eh?

And former FF minister Mary Hannifan tops the pole,what next the Bull o Donoghue back in a ministerial car.
There is a generation of voters in Ireland need to be banned from voting.

Frank Lee Midere

Seaneh wrote: »

Like the time Nationalists had that march for equal rights and the para's shot a load of them for no reason?

That worked out well, the non-violent stuff.

Terrorism is using violence for political ends. Unless Tory.

Canyon86

Sinndependence Day

Frank Lee Midere

tipptom wrote: »

And former FF minister Mary Hannifan tops the pole,what next the Bull o Donoghue back in a ministerial car.
There is a generation of voters in Ireland need to be banned from voting.

If they went to SF people on here would be even more distraught. It shows how the system privileges older "establishment" parties. It also shows how stupid labour were to go into coalition with FG.

But yeah. FF getting votes. Protest votes. Absurd.

Dan_Solo

"Two and a half parties: Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Labour".
LOL. Twist the knife Gerry!

Frank Lee Midere

Here's how you run a protest party. There is a guy called Grillo in Italy. A standup comedian. He refuses to go on television. He refuses to join coalitions. He considers the old establishment parties equally corrupt. Communist. Ex- communist. Berlesconi. (Forza Italia). Social democrats.

He wants these parties to unite some day. He knows that some day they will have to, and they will fail and he will take power.

That's where labour lost their chance. They've helped FG clean up FF's mess. They should have left the two establishment parties clean it up and today would have been their day.

Birroc

Dan_Solo wrote: »

"Two and a half parties: Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Labour".
LOL. Twist the knife Gerry!

Ahem...you might have said "rub it in"...;)

RandomName2

wazky wrote: »

Waiting for murderers, terrorists, beards and shinnerbot comments....

What's the second worst form of argument?

"My opponent is just a shinnerbot"

What's the worst form of argument?

"My opponent is going to claim that I am a shinnerbot"

Smidge

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I don't care if a party was founded by terrorists, just so long as it doesn't have any within its rank presently like SF does.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90532852&postcount=224

I'm sad to say so that your idealogical viewpoint of politics, whether it be people who fought in a war(branded terrorists by the people they fought and as such it the name of terrorist has since stuck, like the ANC)or thieves, crooks, blackguards, swindlers, liars and all around bunch of no-marks ie the ruling parties here for the last number of decades will ensure that you will always enable the wrong people t come to power.
There are no "good guys" in politics just different measures of ill.

Birroc

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

That's where labour lost their chance. They've helped FG clean up FF's mess. They should have left the two establishment parties clean it up and today would have been their day.

I remember in the 2007 election thinking that FF should somehow "throw" the GE election and many "glory" years in power. There was signs that the bubble was seriously about to burst and if FF had let the economy implode in FG/Lab/SF/Green hands, they would have come back a few years later with a massive majority

It's all about timing in Irish politics.

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