Way to go Sinn Fein

Smidge

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

My alternative is cop on and stop talking nonsense.

I got a vision of Peabody shouting "Quiet you" reading this.
I mean, c'mon, that's not very constructive, is it?

Duckworth_Luas

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

Think that's been widely debunked no?

Not in Scotland where it's taken as gospel, along with the other bunkum you've been spouting on this thread!

Nodin

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

My alternative is cop on and stop talking nonsense.

Yer yer honour. I will yer honor.


Will yer honour be taken the carriage out today?

Iwasfrozen

Smidge wrote: »

I wouldn't consider myself a communist by any manner of means, it has proven itself to be worse socially and economically for the poorer in the societies where it is practised.
Its just that there are so many posters who have a total disregard and dare I say it, contempt, for those who earn less or "appear" less educated than them. The class system in Ireland is becoming a greater beast than I would have ever imagined.
Its the scorn thats poured on certain sections of society that galls me.

I agree with you in general, a person should not be discriminated against based on their wages or education. But a person who admits to voting for a party that supports terrorists is fair ground for scouring or questioning their intelligence imo.

generalmental

wazky wrote: »

Waiting for murderers, terrorists, beards and shinnerbot comments....

Fianna fail were the original murderers how come they're not getting lambasted with this vitriol

Dempsey

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Fourth behind Independents, FG and FF. Hardly call it a victory in the current climate. That's as good as their support will ever get. Everyone else knows what they are and will never vote for them, enjoy your 'victory' while it lasts.

This is the rhetoric of people that vote for the established parties & independents and then wonder why nothing ever changes....

Iwasfrozen

generalmental wrote: »

Fianna fail were the original murderers how come they're not getting lambasted with this vitriol

FF do not have within their ranks any ex terrorists.

Dempsey

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

FF do not have within their ranks any ex terrorists.

They are full of economic terrorists...

Wacker The Attacker

rockatansky wrote: »

Bad day at the office?

I prefer to call it an honest opinion

Duiske

Breaking from RTE

Local election candidates who will sit on their holes for the next 5 years and rake in the expenses expected to take 100% of the vote.

Birroc

I voted IND, IND, SF in Locals and IND (Ming), IND (Harkin), SF (Carthy) in Euros. My first time ever voting SF.

However I do feel like SF have won the coin toss and have opted to play with the wind. The game has yet to begin. It already seems like an anti-climax and I want the General Election to come quick. To be honest I don't know what my local councillors are going to do so the local elections mean little to me whoever wins.

Will I vote SF again in the General Election? I am not so sure. Adams gives me the creeps.
I would like to see SF in power some day just to see if they can put their money where their mouth is.

I am also glad that Eamonn Ryan (Green) will get an MEP seat, he is a good honest man.
.

Wacker The Attacker

Duiske wrote: »

Breaking from RTE

This is like their sports site.

About 40 years behind the play

Bannasidhe

generalmental wrote: »

Fianna fail were the original murderers how come they're not getting lambasted with this vitriol

From what I have gathered in threads such as these it only counts when there is someone still around now who was alive when ithe murder occured... as the oldest living Irish person is 112 by that logic everything since 1902 is relevant.

Wacker The Attacker

Birroc wrote: »

I voted IND, IND, SF in Locals and IND (Ming), IND (Harkin), SF (Carthy) in Euros. My first time ever voting SF.

However I do feel like SF have won the coin toss and have opted to play with the wind. The game has yet to begin. It already seems like an anti-climax and I want the General Election to come quick.

Will I vote SF in the General Election? I am not so sure.
I would like to see them in power some day just to see if they can put their money where their mouth is.

I am also glad that Eamonn Ryan (Green) will get an MEP seat, he is a good man.

I can already answer this question.

The answer is NO

The Diabolical Monocle

@JonnyBlaze.

Just in case you missed it.


Individual citizens aside, the Republic of Ireland as a state was not pro-nazi/pro-Germany at the time of WW2. - Yes or no.

DeValera was not pro-nazi/pro-Germany at the time of WW2.
- Yes or no.

Frank Lee Midere

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

I'm afraid I wouldn't accept that at all.

Like any historical issue there are shades of grey that exist which fly in the face of the accepted view.

To say that there were no Irish nazi sympathisers / collaborators would be no more true than to say that there were no german nazi detractors or american nazi sympathisers.

In this case however there were clear plans made by the IRA / IRB which were made with direct input and collaboration from the nazi's.

See also Plan Kathleen

Your original claims were against the Irish government. Dev signing the book. The government having a plan to join the Nazis. Now it's members of radical groups who were opposed to the state they were living in.

Let it die. You've lost.

steddyeddy

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

FF do not have within their ranks any ex terrorists.

Meaningless rethoric. The word terrorist is highly subjective.

rockatansky

I don’t see that this cannot be seen as anything other than a victory for Sinn Fein. They are continuing their upwards trend and growing their Electoral Base even with everything that has been thrown at them over the past few month. At the end of the day isn’t this want every Political Party strives to do?

However in my opinion success at Local and European Elections does not automatically translate into success into General Election. I think most people believe that voting for them in a General Election will directly affect them more financially than a Local or European Level does and I believe that many who voted for first Sinn Fein for the first time yesterday would still be hesitant to do the same again at a General Election.

It appears that their Vote has levelled off in the Six Counties and I think they may have taken their eye off the ball slightly up there.

Iwasfrozen

steddyeddy wrote: »

Meaningless rethoric. The word terrorist is highly subjective.

Not really, a terrorist in my eyes is any person who uses violence to force political change.

Wacker The Attacker

rockatansky wrote: »

I don’t see that this cannot be seen as anything other than a victory for Sinn Fein. They are continuing their upwards trend and growing their Electoral Base even with everything that has been thrown at them over the past few month. At the end of the day isn’t this want every Political Party strives to do?

However in my opinion success at Local and European Elections does not automatically translate into success into General Election. I think most people believe that voting for them in a General Election will directly affect them more financially than a Local or European Level does and I believe that many who voted for first Sinn Fein for the first time yesterday would still be hesitant to do the same again at a General Election.

It appears that their Vote has levelled off in the Six Counties and I think they may have taken their eye off the ball slightly up there.

Or are people in the North seeing them for what they really are?

Jonny Blaze

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

@JonnyBlaze.

Just in case you missed it.


Individual citizens aside, the Republic of Ireland as a state was not pro-nazi/pro-Germany at the time of WW2. - Yes or no.

Yes

DeValera was not pro-nazi/pro-Germany at the time of WW2.
- Yes or no.

Publicly Yes, privately? Who can say.

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Your original claims were against the Irish government. Dev signing the book. The government having a plan to join the Nazis. Now it's members of radical groups who were opposed to the state they were living in.

Let it die. You've lost.

A. That was a natural progression of the conversation in my mind, after I actually intended to drop it.

B. I'm not trying to win anything.

Bottom line lads believe what you want like, I won't be losing sleep over it!

Also, i'm the only one backing it up with any sort of evidence to support what i'm saying. Like do you not believe the National Archives?

Also, the comical sniping about me being 'over there' in Scotland etc. i'll clarify for you: I was born there. I've the last 22 years (since I was 8) over here.

I'll happily let it go.

Bannasidhe

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Not really, a terrorist in my eyes is any person who uses violence to force political change.

So all the founders of the State so....
(and the founders of the U.S as well...)

Is it a case that you are ok with people using violence which benefited you just as long as those people are dead now?

Barely There

Hilarious stuff.

FF wreak economic havoc on the country.
FG and Lab introduce a series of wildly unpopular budgets and taxes.
The Greens and PD's are gone from the political scene.
And there's a mish-mash of nutty lefty independents.

SF will never have a more favourable climate in which to prosper.


And still they can't even get ahead of FF :pac::pac::pac:



Sometimes I love being part of this electorate.

The murder-apologists will never be more than a shameful footnote in the political annals of our republic - and I for one give thanks for that everyday.

Enjoy your 'victory' lads.


I certainly am:D:D:D

Iwasfrozen

Bannasidhe wrote: »

So all the founders of the State so....
(and the founders of the U.S as well...)

Is it a case that you are ok with people using violence which benefited you just as long as those people are dead now?

I'm ok with voting for parties who don't contain terrorists.

Spring Onion

Birroc wrote: »

I voted IND, IND, SF in Locals and IND (Ming), IND (Harkin), SF (Carthy) in Euros. My first time ever voting SF.

However I do feel like SF have won the coin toss and have opted to play with the wind. The game has yet to begin. It already seems like an anti-climax and I want the General Election to come quick. To be honest I don't know what my local councillors are going to do so the local elections mean little to me whoever wins.

Will I vote SF again in the General Election? I am not so sure. Adams gives me the creeps.
I would like to see SF in power some day just to see if they can put their money where their mouth is.

I am also glad that Eamonn Ryan (Green) will get an MEP seat, he is a good honest man.
.

I voted Independents and SF too but I cant help feeling a little "dirty" . Twas also my first time putting SF as a preference. Strange days!

rockatansky

Barely There wrote: »

Hilarious stuff.

FF wreak economic havoc on the country.
FG and Lab introduce a series of wildly unpopular budgets and taxes.
The Greens and PD's are gone from the political scene.
And there's a mish-mash of nutty lefty independents.

SF will never have a more favourable climate in which to prosper.


And still they can't even get ahead of FF :pac::pac::pac:



Sometimes I love being part of this electorate.

The murder-apologists will never be more than a shameful footnote in the political annals of our republic - and I for one give thanks for that everyday.

Enjoy your 'victory' lads.


I certainly am:D:D:D

From your post it sound like you are refusing to acknowledge what is actually going around you.

Bannasidhe

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'm ok with voting for parties who don't contain terrorists.

and fine with voting for parties founded by terrorists?

How very hair splitting of you.

donegal__road

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Not really, a terrorist in my eyes is any person who uses violence to force political change.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/29/drones-us-military

Iwasfrozen

Bannasidhe wrote: »

and fine with voting for parties founded by terrorists?

How very hair splitting of you.

The past is less important to me than the future, I'd be willing to vote for SF too if they purged all the ex-terrorists from the party.

The Diabolical Monocle

Jonny Blaze wrote: »

Yes



Publicly No, privately? Who can say.



A. That was a natural progression of the conversation in my mind, after I actually intended to drop it.

B. I'm not trying to win anything.

Bottom line lads believe what you want like, I won't be losing sleep over it!

Also, i'm the only one backing it up with any sort of evidence to support what i'm saying. Like do you not believe the National Archives?

Also, the comical sniping about me being 'over there' in Scotland etc. i'll clarify for you: I was born there. I've the last 22 years (since I was 8) over here.

I'll happily let it go.

"Publicly no".

So Devalera was not publicly pro-nazi/pro-German at the time of WW2.

Cant really expect much more than that I suppose.