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Way to go Sinn Fein

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  • #92
    The Diabolical Monocle
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭The Diabolical Monocle


    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    It's there in black and white.

    Indeed. He signed a book of condolences for the German people on the death of their head of state.

    Its a bit pointless to sign a book of condolences for a dead person.

    Here you go Adolf we've sent a book round for people to sign ... Hope you like it. Resurrect soon.


  • #93
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,549 ✭✭✭OldRio


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    We don't even have to wait for that the see how they are a failure in Government. If you judge failure by a health service which is in chaos and swingeing property tax on ordinary people. With laws allowing them to repossess your house, make you bankrupt and put you in jail if you don't pay up. Just look North.

    Why would I look North for that?
    Tis here.


  • #94
    Reekwind
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    umop.episdn wrote:
    It's a protest vote, against the mainstream partys, but when it comes to a general election, people back away, it's one thing to let them in charge of tarmacing bothareens, it's another giving them charge of our entire economy.
    Given the nature of Irish politics in general (which has always been based on local performance) and the effects of eroding any remaining stigma of voting for SF, I don't think this analysis is as valid for Ireland as other countries.


  • #95
    pablomakaveli
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    Jonny Blaze wrote: »
    Protocol that basically every other decent human being in office ignored..

    Probably because nearly all the other Western European countries were involved with the war. Ireland, Portugal and Spain were all neutral.


  • #96
    mike65
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    Anyone know what the Swedes and Switzerland were doing?


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  • #97
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,879 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    OldRio wrote: »
    Why would I look North for that?
    Tis here.

    And do you believe SF will make it go away here? They didn't in the North.


  • #98
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Jonny Blaze wrote: »
    Protocol that basically every other decent human being in office ignored..



    And if he was such an observer of protocol..



    It's well known that Ireland provided asisstance to the allies during the war.

    It's less well know that they also entertained the notion of siding with the nazi's early on before it became obvious they were going to lose.

    Hedging their bets really.

    The rest of Europe was at war with Germany at that time, or occupied by the allies or both.

    There is no evidence at all that the Irish government was going to join the nazis. There is no cabinet discussion on it. There was no plan to do so.

    Reading stuff on unionist websites is not the same as an education.


  • #99
    Jonny Blaze
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    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    Probably because nearly all the other Western European countries were involved with the war. Ireland, Portugal and Spain were all neutral.

    The war was over though.

    Also, Portugal and Spain were fascists.. you know? Like the nazi's?


  • #100
    hjkl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭hjkl


    Conchir wrote: »
    I voted for the first time yesterday. So did many of my friends in school. I didn't nor ever will vote for Sinn Fein, the same as most of the other people I know my age. Where do you get your info?
    Same as you to an extent, ancedotal evidence. Except most of the people I know like yourself, would vote for Sinn Fein.


  • #101
    Jonny Blaze
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    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    The rest of Europe was at war with Germany at that time, or occupied by the allies or both.

    There is no evidence at all that the Irish government was going to join the nazis. There is no cabinet discussion on it. There was no plan to do so.

    Reading stuff on unionist websites is not the same as an education.

    I've never visited a republican or a unionist website.

    I'm Scottish.

    Anyway this conversation is off topic don't you think?


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  • #102
    Dan_Solo
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    diomed wrote: »
    I voted for them. They got my 11th preference, and my 12th preference.
    So you have possibly helped them with a transfer where not giving them any number would avoid this.
    Clever of you, eh?


  • #103
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,549 ✭✭✭OldRio


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    And do you believe SF will make it go away here? They didn't in the North.

    You said I should look to the North to see those problems. I don't have to because we have them here now.


  • #104
    washman3
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    umop.episdn wrote: »
    SF have recently done well in local elections, no reason to think they wouldn't do well in this one.
    It's a protest vote, against the mainstream partys, but when it comes to a general election, people back away, it's one thing to let them in charge of tarmacing bothareens, it's another giving them charge of our entire economy.

    So we should hand back charge of our entire economy to FF/Greens and a few gombeen independents.!!
    Sure they done a great job the last time they were in charge.:D


  • #105
    WakeUp
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    longhalloween wrote: »
    WHAT DO WE WANT?
    AN END TO AUSTERITY!

    HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT?
    uhhhh.......

    How about an end to the shameful policy of taking medical cards away from terminally sick kids and the elderly? I want to see an end to that FG/Lab dont talk much about that shame on them deliberately targeting the sick our most vunerable. How about Enda growing some boll0x and fighting our corner properly in Europe with regard to the outstanding issue over our legacy bank debt. Making that deal happen would lift some of the burden. Just observing a lof of what has gone on around these elections with no horse in the race Im disgusted with certain aspects of the establishment and Im no shinner. It needs shaking up thats never been more apparent.


  • #106
    donegal__road
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Dev was probalby trying to compete with Sinn Fein for the Republican anti British vote. SF would have gained on that front by collaborating with the Nazis during the war.

    the civil war has re-started in Ireland it seems... ironically its because of the Germans this time..


  • #107
    dxhound2005
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    Jonny Blaze wrote: »
    I've never visited a republican or a unionist website.

    I'm Scottish.

    Anyway this conversation is off topic don't you think?

    I'll take it even more off topic for a moment. In your part of the world some people want to split an island into two separate political entities. Based on the will of the majority (possibly) in the northern part.

    Here some people insist that an island has to be one political entity against the will of the majority in the northern part.


  • #108
    Dan_Solo
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    mr_edge_to_you wrote: »
    they're only a shower of murderers, terrorists, beards and shinnerbots.

    before long they'll be in a position of real responsibility and will probably sh!t themselves at the thought of having to make tough and real decisions. not as easy as being in opposition when the country is broke and they can just criticise and object every government policy.
    After a 30 year war they're going to **** themselves about upping the marginal tax rate on high earners? OK...


  • #109
    umop.episdn
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    washman3 wrote: »
    So we should hand back charge of our entire economy to FF/Greens and a few gombeen independents.!!
    Sure they done a great job the last time they were in charge.:D

    No political party will go into govt with Sinn Fein, so if they want in, you'll have Ming as Tanaiste & Mick Wallace as minister for defence


  • #110
    pablomakaveli
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    Jonny Blaze wrote: »
    The war was over though.

    Also, Portugal and Spain were fascists.. you know? Like the nazi's?

    The war ended a few weeks later. Franco was more supportive of Hitler so that was his motivation. Portugal not so much. They have the oldest treaty in the world with Britain which they made clear was intact in WW2.

    But as i've said Dev's actions weren't done as showing support for Hitler but out of respect for the German people and the German ambassador in particular.


  • #111
    The Diabolical Monocle
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    Jonny Blaze wrote: »
    I've never visited a republican or a unionist website.

    I'm Scottish.

    Anyway this conversation is off topic don't you think?

    Oh I think we've just begun Jonny .... Now let's move on to the royals and their associations with Adolf. They went a whole lot further than signing a book.

    If you can pull disparaging ...stuff... out of your ...history folder ... Then so can I.
    Did you know Britain invented the concentration camp.


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  • #112
    not yet
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    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Are they. Seems that FF are making the real comeback.

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

    HA...

    Laughter lounge
    > thata way.


  • #113
    Dan_Solo
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    umop.episdn wrote: »
    No political party will go into govt with Sinn Fein, so if they want in, you'll have Ming as Tanaiste & Mick Wallace as minister for defence
    You think FG and FF have higher moral standards than Labour or the Greens who were only too delighted to whore out their party to the highest bidder?


  • #114
    not yet
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Fourth behind Independents, FG and FF. Hardly call it a victory in the current climate. That's as good as their support will ever get. Everyone else knows what they are and will never vote for them, enjoy your 'victory' while it lasts.

    Oh you silly man...........

    In the words of the song, the times they are a changin.


  • #115
    blackbaron
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    Way to go Sinn Fein, you've done extremely well for a party with absolutely no feasible policies and significant ties to terrorism in Ireland and the UK. If SF deserve a "way to go" here, so do FF. They utterly destroyed Ireland and have shouldered debt on generations of Irish people, and they've come out of this election even stronger than SF.

    So well done to Ireland's protest voters. You can be proud today for having supported a bunch of no-name, no history "politicians" with ties to terrorism, and a bunch of people tied to Ireland's massive downfall which triggered job losses, suicides and mass emigration.

    Today is a victory for Irish emigrants. Ireland's massively entitled welfare class and non-taxpayers, those who keep demanding more money for themselves from the pockets of everyone else despite having the second most progressive tax system in the world and one of the most generous welfare systems in the world, have shown their power today and proven, beyond doubt, that Ireland is not worth returning to. That Ireland's future is not a bright one.

    Voting anti-Europe, when EU membership is entirely responsible for Ireland's success as a small island nation. Voting anti-business, when Ireland's current employment scenario is being propped up due to it being a tax haven for non-Irish companies. Voting anti-taxpayer, when those taxpayers are propping up the lives of the 2.5m people who receive a form of welfare payment every week.

    "Less tax! More handouts!" cry a nation €220,000,000,000 in debt with only 2.2m people generating tax revenue. "F*ck the EU" they cry, as they come bowl in hand to their EU counterparts looking for money to keep the country running.

    Embarrassing, but not unexpected.


  • #116
    umop.episdn
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    You think FG and FF have higher moral standards than Labour or the Greens who were only too delighted to whore out their party to the highest bidder?

    Since FG & FF will probably always do better in a general election, it will be SF having to do the whoreing & I can't see anybody willing to pay that price


  • #117
    Jonny Blaze
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    The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »
    Oh I think we've just begun Jonny .... Now let's move on to the royals and their associations with Adolf. They went a whole lot further than signing a book.

    If you can pull disparaging ...stuff... out of your ...history folder ... Then so can I.
    Did you know Britain invented the concentration camp.

    Go ahead mate, I couldn't care less.

    I have no more time for the royals than i do for devalera.

    Nationalism is for morons.

    And if you think you'll offend me by pointing out historical facts you're sorely mistaken.


  • #118
    Conchir
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    frimpong wrote: »
    Same as you to an extent, ancedotal evidence. Except most of the people I know like yourself, would vote for Sinn Fein.

    Well there you go then. Unless you want to count up how many people we both know and see who has more, I don't think either of us could say young people in general will or won't vote for Sinn Fein from now on.


  • #119
    OldRio
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    blackbaron wrote: »
    Way to go Sinn Fein, you've done extremely well for a party with absolutely no feasible policies and significant ties to terrorism in Ireland and the UK. If SF deserve a "way to go" here, so do FF. They utterly destroyed Ireland and have shouldered debt on generations of Irish people, and they've come out of this election even stronger than SF.

    So well done to Ireland's protest voters. You can be proud today for having supported a bunch of no-name, no history "politicians" with ties to terrorism, and a bunch of people tied to Ireland's massive downfall which triggered job losses, suicides and mass emigration.

    Today is a victory for Irish emigrants. Ireland's massively entitled welfare class and non-taxpayers, those who keep demanding more money for themselves from the pockets of everyone else despite having the second most progressive tax system in the world and one of the most generous welfare systems in the world, have shown their power today and proven, beyond doubt, that Ireland is not worth returning to. That Ireland's future is not a bright one.

    Voting anti-Europe, when EU membership is entirely responsible for Ireland's success as a small island nation. Voting anti-business, when Ireland's current employment scenario is being propped up due to it being a tax haven for non-Irish companies. Voting anti-taxpayer, when those taxpayers are propping up the lives of the 2.5m people who receive a form of welfare payment every week.

    "Less tax! More handouts!" cry a nation €220,000,000,000 in debt with only 2.2m people generating tax revenue. "F*ck the EU" they cry, as they come bowl in hand to their EU counterparts looking for money to keep the country running.

    Embarrassing, but not unexpected.

    Now wipe those tears away.
    Bless.
    So so bitter
    #giggles#


  • #120
    First Up
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    frimpong wrote: »
    I disagree. People under 25 have grown up with little to no experience of the troubles. People under 18 have grown with no experience of the troubles whatsoever. Most young people now have no hang ups about Sinn Fein as they will have only ever known them as another political party. Sinn Feins support will only grow over the next ten years imo, particularly in the under 25 age group.

    And when they grow up they will stop.


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  • #121
    Dan_Solo
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    umop.episdn wrote: »
    Since FG & FF will probably always do better in a general election, it will be SF having to do the whoreing & I can't see anybody willing to pay that price
    Always? Doesn't look like it TBH. SF and independents are on the up every election it seems.


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