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How did *you* get lean and muscly?

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    Blacktie. wrote: »
    They're not saying to eat gluten free versions of crap. They're saying don't eat crap.

    Thats what Im saying. This fad is gonnagive birth to gluten free crap just like low fat crap they sell in supermarkets. In a health and fitness forum somebody shouldnt be told to cut out gluten and everything will be fine. If you have a blood test and the doctor says cut out gluten by all means do. Im happy with cutting out foods made in a lab.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    jane82 wrote: »
    It doesnt effect the stomach wall but the intestine walls. Haha you got me now I must eat gluten free?
    Honestly?
    Im not a surgeon all that area is stomach to me. Its a misguided fad diet. Eat gluten free bread for a week instead of your rice or potatoes or oats and see how you get on.

    You don't need to be a surgeon to know basic biology of the GI tract.

    I did say that those symptoms pertain to someone who IS Coeliac, not every member of the population.

    I don't see how you can be do blasé over your abject lack of knowledge on human biology, yet stick so ardently to your thoughts on gluten.

    I don't care what you eat.
    More power to you if you can eat what you want & it has no ill effect on your body.

    I try to eat clean, that for me is limiting processed food to a minimum.
    Do I come into context with gluten? Yes.
    Am I doing my best to minimize this contact? Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    Gliadin is the part of gluten that people react adversely to, not "another substance". Eating gluten-free is not making you feel better, it's impossible to avoid gluten unless you go on a full coeliac diet.

    It's not the only part,
    Gluten is comprised of giladin & glutenins.
    Considering the appetite promoting & opiate effects giladin can have in the brain, would you not agree it's a substance to be avoided?

    On your other point, a minimal amount of gluten is better than a lot of it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    How healthy is a big plate of gluten free flapjacks?
    Ive honestly no idea how to make flapjacks. Does takeing the gluten out make them healthy?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭EdenHazard


    Genetics.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    jane82 wrote: »
    How healthy is a big plate of gluten free flapjacks?
    Ive honestly no idea how to make flapjacks. Does takeing the gluten out make them healthy?

    And this question has what significance exactly?
    I made a batch of these which I intend on eating while out cycling as part of my intra workout nutrition on long spins over 2 hours duration.
    They are not for general consumption.

    Like most foods, they should be consumed in moderation


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    Was there extra work involved in extracting the gluten?
    Would a big bowl of cabbage and turnip be better?
    I have little knowledge of flapjacks excuse my ignorance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    jane82 wrote: »
    Was there extra work involved in extracting the gluten?
    Would a big bowl of cabbage and turnip be better?
    I have little knowledge of flapjacks excuse my ignorance.

    There will be minimal gluten in the oats, but the point of the flapjacks is that they are easy to transport & carry in a pocket in a cycling jersey.
    Not do easy to carry bacon & cabbage that way.

    I don't like "energy gels", processed & refined sugars that can actually give you the trots


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    So they are oat flapjacks. Did you check they are gluten free oats. They will be marked if they are.
    Its even quicker to say oat flapjack as opposed to gluten free flapjacks. They sound nicer too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    jane82 wrote: »
    So they are oat flapjacks. Did you check they are gluten free oats. They will be marked if they are.
    Its even quicker to say oat flapjack as opposed to gluten free flapjacks. They sound nicer too.

    Context


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    Thanks SB.
    I was searching for that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Dermighty


    Anyone got an article (or three) that explains what the problem with gluten is? Preferably written by/for someone who engages in exercise.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    Dermighty wrote: »
    Anyone got an article (or three) that explains what the problem with gluten is? Preferably written by/for someone who engages in exercise.

    There is a cealiac society about. Their website should explain it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    Jesus gluten free protein powders are fairly expensive but I suppose they are worth the extra money. It may be the difference between going over my gluten tolerance levels and not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭candlegrease


    It's not the only part,
    Gluten is comprised of giladin & glutenins.
    Considering the appetite promoting & opiate effects giladin can have in the brain, would you not agree it's a substance to be avoided?

    On your other point, a minimal amount of gluten is better than a lot of it.

    Yes, but gliadin is the part coeliacs react to. As previously stated.

    Link to study proving bad effects of gliadin please.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭Robson Lobson


    Yes, but gliadin is the part coeliacs react to. As previously stated.

    Link to study proving bad effects of gliadin please.

    Plenty of links to studies here.

    http://robbwolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=3868


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    Cornflakes? About 5 years ago.

    And no I don't eat bread, pasta and only eat rice when it's in sushi.

    I can assure you my eating habits are far from boring.

    Here's a typical breakfast lunch and snack for me:

    n2bvoo.jpg
    boom, case closed


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Transform wrote: »
    boom, case closed

    Ummm... they're actually open.





    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,914 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    I also notice some serious swings in 'leanness' on a daily/weekly basis depending on a shed load of things. Carbs, Sleep, Training, food types etc.

    Very true. Though at my end of the scale it's swings in 'fatness' depending on all of the above. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭top madra


    TBH, any trainer I know (and any decent trainer) won't recommend using gluten free alternatives.

    Please tell us so what they recommend you replace them with?
    Cornflakes? About 5 years ago.

    And no I don't eat bread, pasta and only eat rice when it's in sushi.

    I can assure you my eating habits are far from boring.

    Here's a typical breakfast lunch and snack for me:

    n2bvoo.jpg

    Yes, looks good and heres a typical dinner for me (taken from my IG)

    e2e101d7-1bc4-4442-a44f-2b58aefbca1e_zps89d47de5.jpg~original
    Difference is, do I eat like that 100% of time, no of course not I'm only human.

    But more power to you, you can go all year round with 100% non processed foods wether they are gluten or gluten free.

    Jesus even people with celiac disease can't do that...............

    But I guess you're pretty special.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    top madra wrote: »
    Please tell us so what they recommend you replace them with?

    Eggs, meats, veg, fruit, nuts etc. It's not really that hard to eat good food that's not boring if you've any sort of creativity.
    top madra wrote: »
    But more power to you, you can go all year round with 100% non processed foods wether they are gluten or gluten free.

    I am partial to a pix n mix every so often. :)
    top madra wrote: »

    But I guess you're pretty special.

    ...and you haven't even seen my a$$ :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭candlegrease



    Which ones do you think confirm that gluten is bad for people? Instead of linking a wall of text you clearly haven't read


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Does chocolate count as processed?
    Because I'm not sure you can call it living if there's no chocolate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭top madra


    Eggs, meats, veg, fruit, nuts etc. It's not really that hard to eat good food that's not boring if you've any sort of creativity.


    I am partial to a pix n mix every so often. :)


    ...and you haven't even seen my a$$ :p

    We're going nowhere with this and if you're like me, it could go on forever!

    Look all I'm trying to say is....

    A 100% gluten free diet for the average person that doesn't need it is bull-chit, maybe YOU are strict enough to cut it out completely (without knowing you I can't say for sure)

    But the average person that jumps on this gluten free fad, will overtime start to miss egg with toast etc and instead of buying a loaf of bread (this is only a e.g.)
    which won't do them one bit of harm will start replacing them with there gluten free counterparts which are usually packed with more sugar and fat to make up for the bland taste.

    Or they will eat gluten free this but the sauce they mix it with will be laced with it, so IMO 100% gluten diet is a load of bull-chit unless you medically need it.

    And when I said boring, I meant it must be pretty boring not heading for a coffee and a sambo, having a beer and pizza or just going for dinner every now and again because if you do any of these you are eating processed chit (gluten or gluten free)

    I would just prefer to eat a balanced diet and watch my macro's, sure I eat loads of gluten free stuff, but do I avoid it like it's the plague, lol no.

    But whatever works for you so we'll just have to agree to disagree..
    .
    This is IMO just another fitness fad...(I spend a lot of time on bigger fitness forums and not so much on here anymore and it's laughable to me to see how much this is being pushed on here, but as per usual most people are like sheep here)

    These are my opinions, you don't have to agree with them...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,226 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    What a car crash.

    Some people feel better avoiding gluten in large quantities, so they avoid it.
    Others have no issue with it, so don't avoid it specifically.

    Try each approach and see how you feel. Go with what ever you prefer.
    I've no idea why it had to go any further than that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭CM24


    http://chriskresser.com/50-shades-of-gluten-intolerance I'm currently reading Chris Kresser's book and there's a whole section dedicated to Gluten. Everything he says goes along with my personal experiences. He mentions a new term which represents the middle ground between Celiac and totally gluten tolerant, called Non Celiac Gluten Sensitivity. I think this is what the majority of people suffer from.

    The best way to test for NCGS is to do a 30 day gluten-free challenge and check how you feel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    CM24 wrote: »
    http://chriskresser.com/50-shades-of-gluten-intolerance I'm currently reading Chris Kresser's book and there's a whole section dedicated to Gluten. Everything he says goes along with my personal experiences. He mentions a new term which represents the middle ground between Celiac and totally gluten tolerant, called Non Celiac Gluten Sensitivity. I think this is what the majority of people suffer from.

    The best way to test for NCGS is to do a 30 day gluten-free challenge and check how you feel.
    Add to that the work in books such as grain brain and wheat belly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    top madra wrote: »
    We're going nowhere with this and if you're like me, it could go on forever!

    Look all I'm trying to say is....

    A 100% gluten free diet for the average person that doesn't need it is bull-chit, maybe YOU are strict enough to cut it out completely (without knowing you I can't say for sure)

    But the average person that jumps on this gluten free fad, will overtime start to miss egg with toast etc and instead of buying a loaf of bread (this is only a e.g.)
    which won't do them one bit of harm will start replacing them with there gluten free counterparts which are usually packed with more sugar and fat to make up for the bland taste.

    Or they will eat gluten free this but the sauce they mix it with will be laced with it, so IMO 100% gluten diet is a load of bull-chit unless you medically need it.

    And when I said boring, I meant it must be pretty boring not heading for a coffee and a sambo, having a beer and pizza or just going for dinner every now and again because if you do any of these you are eating processed chit (gluten or gluten free)

    I would just prefer to eat a balanced diet and watch my macro's, sure I eat loads of gluten free stuff, but do I avoid it like it's the plague, lol no.

    But whatever works for you so we'll just have to agree to disagree..
    .
    This is IMO just another fitness fad...(I spend a lot of time on bigger fitness forums and not so much on here anymore and it's laughable to me to see how much this is being pushed on here, but as per usual most people are like sheep here)

    These are my opinions, you don't have to agree with them...
    I don't think ANYONE or any trainer is recommending 100% gluten free because we know no one is going to stay on that all the time.

    I'm happy enough if my clients are off wheat 90% of the time and then get strong and be able to pass any of my Metcon tests


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  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Luke Muscular Urination


    Zillah wrote: »
    Does chocolate count as processed?
    Because I'm not sure you can call it living if there's no chocolate.

    A lot of chocolate bars have wheat derivatives but if you stick with good quality stuff it's all good
    there is always room for choc :D


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