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How did *you* get lean and muscly?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    jane82 wrote: »
    But thats the thing. People are blaming the gluten. Its correlation not causeation. When you are cealiac you know when you ate gluten by accident.
    Gluten-free foods will still make people that dont eat gluten for sport feel as bloated as if they ate gluten free food.
    Its as simple as not eating crap.


    My point is that there is no such thing as a food that has gluten in it that hasn't been processed.

    So if you're cutting out processed food you are ultimately cutting out gluten as well.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Give me a food that's not processed that has gluten in it?
    jane82 wrote: »
    Oats are nearly always contaminated with gluten in processing.

    Ask for example that isn't processed.

    To the rest of this thread, if anyone wants to read my response, I'm writing an email about it. At least that'll help some people rather than having a dick waving contest here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    Hanley wrote: »
    Ask for example that isn't processed.

    To the rest of this thread, if anyone wants to read my response, I'm writing an email about it. At least that'll help some people rather than having a dick waving contest here.

    Mine is totes bigger than yours.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Mine is totes bigger than yours.

    Yah, quit wearing such tight pants in RevFit. The poor lads get distracted.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    My point is that there is no such thing as a food that has gluten in it that hasn't been processed.

    So if you're cutting out processed food you are ultimately cutting out gluten as well.
    And e numbers and a huge amount of carbs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    jane82 wrote: »
    And e numbers and a huge amount of carbs.

    ...which is a good thing right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    ...which is a good thing right?

    Yes. That's the point. It's not avoiding gluten that gives the benefits its avoiding large amounts of fast-digesting carbs.

    (there's nothing wrong with e-numbers, the "e" shows that it had been certified as safe for human consumption by the EU. Common vitamins have e-numbers, for example)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    ...which is a good thing right?

    Yes but telling people to go on a gluten free diet is telling them to go the gluten free section and get your bread there. Bread thats still full of e numbers processed and no gluten at all.
    If you are stuck for a protein fix you may one day have to eat a few sausages. Should you just not eat anything because all you have in the fridge is sausages instead have some nice gluten free rice cakes with no butter.
    Its a rediculous diet that for reasons of complication is misguided and complicated.
    Why cant it just be called e number free diet?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Dermighty wrote: »
    Ditch gluten...don't ditch gluten....seems to be a hung jury on this one as far as ive seen.

    Bear in mind that ditching gluten probably actually means that you're just on a low carbohydrate diet as most of our carbohydrates other than potato based stuff tends to come from wheats and other grains.

    Most people are not gluten intolerant or celiac and it's a fairly big part of normal diets.

    I'd be a little careful about going on extreme diets though. There are quite a lot of unintended consequences of high protein and low carb diets. A balanced healthy diet is essential.

    If in doubt, consult a dietician (and not a gym instructor).

    For most people the first positive step would be cutting out refined sugars. They're something you definitely don't need as part of a healthy diet and really only got introduced to human diets in a huge way in the 19th century.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    TBH, any trainer I know (and any decent trainer) won't recommend using gluten free alternatives.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭top madra


    Woah! Who pissed in your cornflakes?

    A 'clean' diet to most is one that has little or no processed foods and if you've little or no processed foods what else don't you have? That's right, gluten!

    When was the last time you had cornflakes?

    A clean diet is no junk food etc, you're clean diet doesn't even allow pasta.

    I find it VERY hard to believe you eat 100% non processed food gluten or gluten free all the time.....If it's the case more power to you but what a extremely boring regiment that is.

    I'm done here, you stick to this latest fad and I'll keep eating what I want while watching my macro's.


  • Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Luke Muscular Urination


    How is eating a variety of meats and fish and fruit and veg and nuts with homemade spices "boring"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    Round & round we go
    Where we stop, who will know?


    Oh, I do.
    A thread that had potential but has now descended into a clusterfcuk.

    Pity, im on holidays from work and was looking for a good discussion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    Cornflakes? About 5 years ago.

    And no I don't eat bread, pasta and only eat rice when it's in sushi.

    I can assure you my eating habits are far from boring.

    Here's a typical breakfast lunch and snack for me:

    n2bvoo.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Pity, im on holidays from work and was looking for a good discussion.

    Good Lord, why aren't you doing something other than posting online on a day off work!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    jane82 wrote: »
    Why cant it just be called e number free diet?

    E's are good, e's are good...







    Anybody got any Veras?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    jane82 wrote: »
    Why cant it just be called e number free diet?

    Vitamin B12 is E101.
    Vitamin C is E300.
    Vitamin E is E306.
    Citric Acid is E330.

    Damn all these toxic chemicals in my food!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Zillah wrote: »
    Vitamin B12 is E101.
    Vitamin C is E300.
    Vitamin E is E306.
    Citric Acid is E330.

    Damn all these toxic chemicals in my food!

    That's why food manufactures stopped using the E-number system entirely a good few years ago. Perfectly harmless and even 100% natural ingredients were being lumped in with pretty questionable additives as they all had an E number.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    That's why food manufactures stopped using the E-number system entirely a good few years ago. Perfectly harmless and even 100% natural ingredients were being lumped in with pretty questionable additives as they all had an E number.

    I remember, as a kid, how E numbers entered our consciousness through the medium of Desperate Dan bars.


    Good times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    I remember, as a kid, how E numbers entered our consciousness through the medium of Desperate Dan bars.


    Good times.

    I remember all the mammies being convinced that anything with an E on it was chemical factory runoff being mixed into food and was guaranteed to drive children completely insane. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that they were at a birthday party with twenty other children.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    Zillah wrote: »
    I remember all the mammies being convinced that anything with an E on it was chemical factory runoff being mixed into food and was guaranteed to drive children completely insane. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that they were at a birthday party with twenty other children.

    Maybe it was the gluten in the cake


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    Zillah wrote: »
    Good Lord, why aren't you doing something other than posting online on a day off work!?

    In my line of work, im on holidays quite a bit so i dont get too excited by them anymore.

    But dont worry, i did lots today.
    Housework
    Baking gluten free flapjacks
    Serviced my bike
    Did some extra paid work
    And later ill go for a cycle to the gym & do some benching & cycle back


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    In my line of work, im on holidays quite a bit so i dont get too excited by them anymore.

    18-30 rep?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    18-30 rep?

    'Avin it Laaaaarge in Oibeefffawwwww


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭RidleyRider


    In my line of work, im on holidays quite a bit so i dont get too excited by them anymore.

    But dont worry, i did lots today.
    Housework
    Baking gluten free flapjacks
    Serviced my bike
    Did some extra paid work
    And later ill go for a cycle to the gym & do some benching & cycle back

    Those flapjacks look amazing! Mind posting the recipe?:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭candlegrease


    Jane - you need to read up about what Coeliac disease is.

    It has NO effect on the stomach walls.

    It has NO effect on the catabolic process of digestion.

    It affects the villi & micro villi of the duodenum part of the small intestine, the role of which is nutrient ABSORPTION.
    A Coeliac,IBS sufferer reacts to a protein in gluten and these villi & micro villi become inflamed, affecting their ability to absorb the digested food.

    The thing is that most people are not either Coeliac or completely fine.
    It's not black & white in that way.
    There's a grey area where some people gave varying degrees of sensitivity to gluten and other substances found in mass produced grains like Lectin & Giladin.

    I'm in the same boat as Hanley, no clinical symptoms but eating gluten containing products makes feel terrible.
    I therefore avoid them.

    I will also say my likelihood of having a sensitivity to gluten is elevated as a family member is Coeliac/has IBS. Doctors can't confirm fully yet.

    Gliadin is the part of gluten that people react adversely to, not "another substance". Eating gluten-free is not making you feel better, it's impossible to avoid gluten unless you go on a full coeliac diet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    Flapjacks - cycling fuel
    Get a baking tray, line with grease proof paper.


    Made of:
    Almond milk - 300ml
    Peanut butter - 4 tbsp
    Cashew butter - 4 tbsp
    Cashews - 2 handfuls
    Almonds - 2 handfuls
    Sesame seeds - 1 packet
    Oats - 3-400g

    Instructions
    Blend the nut butters with the almond milk.
    Mix the nuts & nut butter blend in a bowl.
    Add oats 30g at a time til nice and consistent.

    Put in baking tray
    Put another layer of greaseproof paper on top
    Smack it down flat.
    Cut lines with a pizza cutter
    Bake for 1 hour at 130 degrees.
    Recut with pizza cutter
    Let them cool & put in fridge to set.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭RidleyRider


    Flapjacks - cycling fuel
    Get a baking tray, line with grease proof paper.


    Made of:
    Almond milk - 300ml
    Peanut butter - 4 tbsp
    Cashew butter - 4 tbsp
    Cashews - 2 handfuls
    Almonds - 2 handfuls
    Sesame seeds - 1 packet
    Oats - 3-400g

    Instructions
    Blend the nut butters with the almond milk.
    Mix the nuts & nut butter blend in a bowl.
    Add oats 30g at a time til nice and consistent.

    Put in baking tray
    Put another layer of greaseproof paper on top
    Smack it down flat.
    Cut lines with a pizza cutter
    Bake for 1 hour at 130 degrees.
    Recut with pizza cutter
    Let them cool & put in fridge to set.


    Cheers mate!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    Jane - you need to read up about what Coeliac disease is.

    It has NO effect on the stomach walls.

    It has NO effect on the catabolic process of digestion.

    It affects the villi & micro villi of the duodenum part of the small intestine, the role of which is nutrient ABSORPTION.
    A Coeliac,IBS sufferer reacts to a protein in gluten and these villi & micro villi become inflamed, affecting their ability to absorb the digested food.

    The thing is that most people are not either Coeliac or completely fine.
    It's not black & white in that way.
    There's a grey area where some people gave varying degrees of sensitivity to gluten and other substances found in mass produced grains like Lectin & Giladin.

    I'm in the same boat as Hanley, no clinical symptoms but eating gluten containing products makes feel terrible.
    I therefore avoid them.

    I will also say my likelihood of having a sensitivity to gluten is elevated as a family member is Coeliac/has IBS. Doctors can't confirm fully yet.

    It doesnt effect the stomach wall but the intestine walls. Haha you got me now I must eat gluten free?
    Honestly?
    Im not a surgeon all that area is stomach to me. Its a misguided fad diet. Eat gluten free bread for a week instead of your rice or potatoes or oats and see how you get on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    jane82 wrote: »
    It doesnt effect the stomach wall but the intestine walls. Haha you got me now I must eat gluten free?
    Honestly?
    Im not a surgeon all that area is stomach to me. Its a misguided fad diet. Eat gluten free bread for a week instead of your rice or potatoes or oats and see how you get on.

    They're not saying to eat gluten free versions of crap. They're saying don't eat crap.


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