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How did *you* get lean and muscly?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    top madra wrote: »
    Derp, think before you post.

    my comment was being sarcastic, don't think anyone detected that.
    was commenting on Zillah suggesting that if you operate a calorie deficit you will automatically reduce your body fat percentage, which just isn't true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,356 ✭✭✭papu


    my comment was being sarcastic, don't think anyone detected that.
    was commenting on Zillah suggesting that if you operate a calorie deficit you will automatically reduce your body fat percentage, which just isn't true.

    Please show how you plan to violate the laws of thermodynamics, or cite something that backs up your argument.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭Robson Lobson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    my comment was being sarcastic, don't think anyone detected that.
    was commenting on Zillah suggesting that if you operate a calorie deficit you will automatically reduce your body fat percentage, which just isn't true.

    Yes it is. Humans are not magical creatures.

    An energy deficit doesn't mean the number you get from some formula. It's eating less than you actually use. Explain to me how this wouldn't result in weight loss?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,588 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    my comment was being sarcastic, don't think anyone detected that.
    was commenting on Zillah suggesting that if you operate a calorie deficit you will automatically reduce your body fat percentage, which just isn't true.
    Its complete true. A deficit creates weight/fat loss. It's that simple.

    You'd starving all the time and lacking a bunch of nutrients, and health wouldn't be great. But bf% would drop if you stuck to it.
    However, I doubt anyone could stick for long enough outside if a clinical situation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Clearlier


    Mellor wrote: »
    Its complete true. A deficit creates weight/fat loss. It's that simple.

    You'd starving all the time and lacking a bunch of nutrients, and health wouldn't be great. But bf% would drop if you stuck to it.
    However, I doubt anyone could stick for long enough outside if a clinical situation.

    Leaving aside the whole argument about how the body deals with different types of calories couldn't you lose muscle mass and add fat mass while reducing overall mass? Not saying it's likely but we're talking about extreme diets.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    Why has the discussion gone this way? Wasn't the OP asking how individuals got lean?

    I got lean-ish by watching my food intake and lifting.

    Edit: Oh and by listening to Hanley. Sometimes.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Why has the discussion gone this way? Wasn't the OP asking how individuals got lean?

    I got lean-ish by watching my food intake and lifting.

    Internet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭heroics


    I would not consider my self particularly lean but I am not looking to get much leaner either. I did not hire a PT. I researched programs online and through rugby/Gaa clubs that I was a member of. I use the Rugby club gym.

    I think I noticed the biggest change when I started training consistently and set realistic goals for myself, I would be a goal motivated kind of person and will always try to hit the goal. These need to be achievable and not impossible. I generally set a goal for every 6 weeks.

    The second part and probably more important would be to watch your diet. I probably eat terribly compared to a lot of the people on this forum but I found simple things like cutting out fizzy drinks and always having water with me at work made a difference.

    I don't follow any diets like gluten free etc ( I love bread too much). Just eat a small bit of everything and if I want a burger king/eddies etc every so often I will.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,588 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Clearlier wrote: »
    Leaving aside the whole argument about how the body deals with different types of calories couldn't you lose muscle mass and add fat mass while reducing overall mass? Not saying it's likely but we're talking about extreme diets.
    Wouldn't happen*, you'd lose sone muscle mass with the fat alright but adding fat happens on a surplus. By storing fat on a deficit, your body is making the deficit bigger, making it harder to meet its energy needs. Just isn't going to do something inefficient like that.


    *excluding ridiculous cases like a huge bodybuilder with v.low bf% who hasn't got fat to lose.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    Why has the discussion gone this way? Wasn't the OP asking how individuals got lean?

    I got lean-ish by watching my food intake and lifting.

    Edit: Oh and by listening to Hanley. Sometimes.

    Well the OP has posted twice (the second reply was just a rebuttal to someone asking why they're posting so many threads on the same subject) and hasn't contributed since.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭top madra


    colman1212 wrote: »
    No body is talking about eating all that gluten free rubbish you see in the health section in supermarkets.
    I was talking about eating whole unprocessed foods.
    I have no problem with people saying that they don't like gluten free but saying its a fad is a bit ridiculous. I don't have a clue about what studies etc are out there about it, but I really do think that most people who try it for a decent amount of time will agree they feel much better on it, and they're body composition will improve.

    Of the people who think its ridiculous/a fad etc, I'd be interested to see how many have tried it for a decent period of time.
    I also would think if you randomly picked 10 gluten free eaters and 10 gluten eaters from a gym, who would be in better shape?

    ....Jesus, have I turned into one of these people who ramble on about paleo....:eek:

    So you don't eat any gluten products and you don't replace them with their counterparts?

    Fairplay if you do and you're happy doing it, but it's complete bull-chit unless you want to do it or you NEED to..

    As for picking people out of the gym, that's again almost laughable as most of the (guys anyhow) people that look in the best shape are also the unhealthiest.

    If you can show me one study where it's been proven it's better off for you, I'll quietly say no more.

    Edit......Interesting little read here (not scientific ) but interesting nonetheless, from a Celiac sufferer.

    http://jezebel.com/5991724/will-everyone-please-eat-gluten--please-because-you-are-literally-killing-me-kind-of
    Hanley wrote: »
    It's a no Brainer for me. No "clinical" symptoms, but having some gluten every now and then really ****s with me. I doubt I have it 1x/week at this stage

    It's not exactly hard to avoid anyway, so why risk it.

    Yup real easy, thats why most people with Celiac disease have to go to nutritionists to sort out a diet for them.
    my comment was being sarcastic, don't think anyone detected that.
    was commenting on Zillah suggesting that if you operate a calorie deficit you will automatically reduce your body fat percentage, which just isn't true.

    Derp, rather than repeat my last post........

    What the hell do you think happens if you operate at a calorie deficit?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    most people who want to lose weight have to go somewhere for help with diet too, it's only easy when you know how to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭top madra


    most people who want to lose weight have to go somewhere for help with diet too, it's only easy when you know how to do it.

    Most people who need to lose weight just need to eat less, they don't have to avoid certain foods for fear of getting sick.

    Most 'normal' people on gluten free diets aren't ever going to get sick from it and most are probably eating gluten without realising it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    I was always stick thin. I tried years of lifting with little food. Stayed stick thin with biggish arms.
    One day I started running loads and eating loads. Got very fit and very fat.
    Gave it up again and with a back injury went down to superstick thin and feeble.
    After surgery began eating loads of mostly good stuff. Got bigger but with a small belly.
    Began cycling and home convict style stuff and eating nearly perfect. Belly near gone in a few weeks.
    Never been in better shape all round and Im in my 30s now and still growing muscle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    colman1212 wrote: »
    I don't have a clue about what studies etc

    The sooner people like you learn that nothing should follow a sentence like this the better off the world will be.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    Lads you need to read up what caeliac is. Its a problem that blocks up your stomach walls and stops you digesting any food once gluten hits it.
    If you were allergic to gluten youd be very sick and weak all the time.
    When people go on the gluten free fad diet they cut out bread and alot of processed foods thats why they feel better, not because their stomach walls are now open to digesting food again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    jane82 wrote: »
    Lads you need to read up what caeliac is. Its a problem that blocks up your stomach walls and stops you digesting any food once gluten hits it.
    If you were allergic to gluten youd be very sick and weak all the time.
    When people go on the gluten free fad diet they cut out bread and alot of processed foods thats why they feel better, not because their stomach walls are now open to digesting food again.

    I don't think anyone is suggesting that people should give up gluten because they're probably a closet coeliac.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    I don't think anyone is suggesting that people should give up gluten because they're probably a closet coeliac.

    But they are claiming gluten is the badguy.
    If you are caeliac it is. Carbs that usually come with gluten are the bad guy.
    Its as rediculous as people going on a peanut free diet because some people get peanut allergies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭Theresalwaysone


    Im as lean as I've ever been and I've gotten here the same way as others.

    Train well consistently.
    Eat well consistently.
    Be determined.

    I also notice some serious swings in 'leanness' on a daily/weekly basis depending on a shed load of things. Carbs, Sleep, Training, food types etc.

    I'm trying to get a littler leaner but cutting calories and training consistenly is a constant battle for me. The energy dropoff, the strength dropoff, the propensity to get injured a lot easier, the elongated need for recovery time is all a major inconvenience.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    jane82 wrote: »
    But they are claiming gluten is the badguy.
    If you are caeliac it is. Carbs that usually come with gluten are the bad guy.
    Its as rediculous as people going on a peanut free diet because some people get peanut allergies.

    It's not as black and white as you being coeliac or not.

    You can be sensitive to gluten.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭Doug Cartel


    It's kind of weird how everyone suddenly became "sensitive" to gluten though. Good thing they got over their yeast allergies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭MaceFace


    Got muscly from going to gym at least 5 days a week for last 2 years and ensuring a reasonably good diet while going hard in the gym (60-90 minutes on gym floor with religious 45 seconds rest between sets and a couple of minutes between exercises. 6-8 reps each set. Proper form and not caring about others lifting heavier. Knowing the eccentric part of the lift is the most important with at least a 3 second negative.

    Unless I am following a specific program, I keep things very simple - always try and lift heavier or more reps. Once I hit 8 reps, increase weight.

    Always have a short and medium term target in mind that help you meet your long term goals.

    Got lean by giving up alcohol for the most part and shedding the fat through dieting and cardio - 16 mins on lifting days, 45 on a rest day.

    Oh, and made so many mistakes along the way and no doubt continue to make them, but it's all about continuous improvement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    It's kind of weird how everyone suddenly became "sensitive" to gluten though. Good thing they got over their yeast allergies.

    Not everyone is. But for some it might make a small difference so there's no harm in trying it out. I don't see why giving it a try for a couple of weeks has to be such a big deal.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    It's not as black and white as you being coeliac or not.

    You can be sensitive to gluten.

    Yes and you can replace normal bread with gluten free bread and still be bloated or overweight.
    From experience you get a little book when you are cealiac with brands and foods you can eat when caeliac.
    Plenty brands of butters nearly all beers even oats unless packed in gluten free areas come into contact with gluten.
    Unless you are checking every product chances are you are eating gluten but dont know it.
    Cealiac is rife in my family. Gluten is everywhere.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    Not everyone is. But for some it might make a small difference so there's no harm in trying it out. I don't see why giving it a try for a couple of weeks has to be such a big deal.

    because then the anti-vaxxers win!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭Doug Cartel


    Not everyone is. But for some it might make a small difference so there's no harm in trying it out. I don't see why giving it a try for a couple of weeks has to be such a big deal.

    In fairness, there are all sorts of rain-dances that are no big deal to try. I wouldn't get anything done if I tried them all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    jane82 wrote: »
    Yes and you can replace normal bread with gluten free bread and still be bloated or overweight.

    Who suggested going gluten-free would make you lean?

    It's been suggested that it might be one of the many components that might help.

    My diet isn't gluten-free. But there are plenty of people here with the experience of what avoiding gluten for the most part has done for them and/or their clients and for that reason, I don't think it's that big a deal to give it a try.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    In fairness, there are all sorts of rain-dances that are no big deal to try. I wouldn't get anything done if I tried them all.

    You're freeing up the time it takes to make a sambwidge.

    More time, ftw.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    jane82 wrote: »
    Lads you need to read up what caeliac is. Its a problem that blocks up your stomach walls and stops you digesting any food once gluten hits it.
    If you were allergic to gluten youd be very sick and weak all the time.
    When people go on the gluten free fad diet they cut out bread and alot of processed foods thats why they feel better, not because their stomach walls are now open to digesting food again.

    Jane - you need to read up about what Coeliac disease is.

    It has NO effect on the stomach walls.

    It has NO effect on the catabolic process of digestion.

    It affects the villi & micro villi of the duodenum part of the small intestine, the role of which is nutrient ABSORPTION.
    A Coeliac,IBS sufferer reacts to a protein in gluten and these villi & micro villi become inflamed, affecting their ability to absorb the digested food.

    The thing is that most people are not either Coeliac or completely fine.
    It's not black & white in that way.
    There's a grey area where some people gave varying degrees of sensitivity to gluten and other substances found in mass produced grains like Lectin & Giladin.

    I'm in the same boat as Hanley, no clinical symptoms but eating gluten containing products makes feel terrible.
    I therefore avoid them.

    I will also say my likelihood of having a sensitivity to gluten is elevated as a family member is Coeliac/has IBS. Doctors can't confirm fully yet.


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