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Mux 2 Launched / Saorview Rescan Required

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  • #752
    timmy4u2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭timmy4u2


    Ronnie Raygun wrote: »
    The "clover" pattern mentioned by Lawhec, would have no bearing at all on how you would configure your receiving array.

    I presume your "clover" receiving aerial pattern was 2 x 2 aerials arranged as a vertical square or rectangle, like the receiving array on the relay transmitter here or maybe it was a cross shape?
    Ours were never that far apart and they were wisi, each aerial perhaps three times the size of those, we then had four more behind those but slightly further apart.
    That is how they worked best and succeeded in pulling it in from Wales. Good quality for most of the time.
    Of course we had diplexers and duplexers and quad plexers etc in their little aluminium pods.


  • #753
    Ronnie Raygun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ronnie Raygun


    8 aerials altogether. A fair bit of fiddling to get all signals adding in-phase, I would think. :)


  • #754
    timmy4u2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭timmy4u2


    Ronnie Raygun wrote: »
    8 aerials altogether. A fair bit of fiddling to get all signals adding in-phase, I would think. :)
    Took a lot, it was trial and error but it worked and worked well....most of the time. There was no net to consult then, just hard graft and huge aerials.
    So time and energy consuming and frustrating that I go near an aerial now only when I have to even though there is no skill or trial and error required now.
    Same with building computers, all plug and play now ,not like the time of windows 3.1 when It could take hours just to get a modem recognised,


  • #755
    More Music
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭More Music


    AKA progress.

    And I come from from the WFWG/3.11 era.


  • #756
    Ronnie Raygun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ronnie Raygun


    timmy4u2 wrote: »
    Took a lot, it was trial and error but it worked and worked well....most of the time. There was no net to consult then, just hard graft and huge aerials.
    So time and energy consuming and frustrating that I go near an aerial now only when I have to even though there is no skill or trial and error required now.

    No skill? The internet won't set up the aerial for you. You can arm yourself with all the information you want but the results depend on your own real-life implementation. Does that not count as skill?

    And how can you completely eliminate trial & error?

    Nothing at all has changed in the actual setting up of the hardware, apart from the easier availability of half-decent signal measuring devices. (Though for analogue signals, the TV set itself was probably as good as anything.)

    And as for pre-internet days: surely someone in your Wisi-rigging group had gained a bit of technical knowledge of the subject & knew that the object was to get the contributions from each aerial to add rather than cancel each other. You wouldn't head into something like that with no idea at all of how the best possible TV picture would be received.


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  • #757
    timmy4u2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭timmy4u2


    Ronnie Raygun wrote: »
    No skill? The internet won't set up the aerial for you. You can arm yourself with all the information you want but the results depend on your own real-life implementation. Does that not count as skill?

    And how can you completely eliminate trial & error?

    Nothing at all has changed in the actual setting up of the hardware, apart from the easier availability of half-decent signal measuring devices. (Though for analogue signals, the TV set itself was probably as good as anything.)

    And as for pre-internet days: surely someone in your Wisi-rigging group had gained a bit of technical knowledge of the subject & knew that the object was to get the contributions from each aerial to add rather than cancel each other. You wouldn't head into something like that with no idea at all of how the best possible TV picture would be received.
    I assembled, built programmed computers for yonks and it was hard work getting those modems to work on windows 3.1, 3.11 and to a lesser extent windows 95. A lot of times you had to resort to dos to communicate with the modem. Ghost was a good addition for duplicating hard drives when building several computers.

    You will have a computer up and running in an hour or so now.

    None of us had any great experience at pulling in signals. We read a bit and tried a bit and read a bit more. We did not have signal finders just relied on the portable telly to see when we had a signal.
    I am sure that we pulled in signals from caradon hill, that I think is in Cornwall.
    We really kept going adding aerials and removing aerials and pulling them further apart and pushing them closer together. We also made a few large mesh dishes.
    It was something new at the time and it was fun while it lasted.


  • #758
    Ronnie Raygun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ronnie Raygun


    The computer analogy doesn't apply at all.

    It's no easier or harder to rig an aerial now than it ever was, given some knowledge of radio communications.


  • #759
    timmy4u2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭timmy4u2


    Ronnie Raygun wrote: »
    The computer analogy doesn't apply at all.

    It's no easier or harder to rig an aerial now than it ever was, given some knowledge of radio communications.
    Even a mobile phone will tell you exactly where Caradon Hill is now and even point you in the right direction.
    If we went up a different hill we would have to do it at the same time of day as we were up the other hill because we were using the sun to get our bearings, not to mention a cloudy day:cool:


  • #760
    Ronnie Raygun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ronnie Raygun


    I need hardly point out that you could have used a compass? :)


  • #761
    timmy4u2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭timmy4u2


    Ronnie Raygun wrote: »
    I need hardly point out that you could have used a compass? :)
    Whats that? :confused:
    Actually we did have one compass between us. It was very unsteady but one of the guys did a lot of sailing and he had a sextant so if we went up a different hill we had to do it at midday. We soon got tired of that but there was only a couple of viable hills so we had a good idea of the direction for those as in if you stand behind the rock with the arrow on it and line it up with the fir tree that was hit by lightening you were well on your way.
    I enjoyed the fun, others were fanatics and the rest were just out for some fresh air. There were twelve to fourteen of us in all depending on the weather


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  • #762
    Ronnie Raygun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ronnie Raygun


    timmy4u2 wrote: »
    ... I got his tv working on all channels by moving the aerial

    Just sticking your head & shoulders through the attic door might have got things working too, by affecting the reflected signals in the attic. You would have to stay standing there though, to keep it working.


  • #763
    timmy4u2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭timmy4u2


    Ronnie Raygun wrote: »
    Just sticking your head & shoulders through the attic door might have got things working too, by affecting the reflected signals in the attic. You would have to stay standing there though, to keep it working.
    If he thought that was the only solution he would have me there every night with meals on wheels supplying my dinner:D


  • #764
    h7nlrp2v0g5u48
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭h7nlrp2v0g5u48


    Test channel 15 now showing a caption saying this instance of this service is closing please rescan your saorview receiver to continue to view. Also they seem to be playing around with the test card. It was showing colour bars a few minutes ago but is now back on a philips test card.


  • #765
    h7nlrp2v0g5u48
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭h7nlrp2v0g5u48


    Test channel 15 now showing RTE ONE with radio na g audio.


  • #766
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,937 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    That's interesting. Any other changes of note right now.


  • #767
    h7nlrp2v0g5u48
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭h7nlrp2v0g5u48


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    That's interesting. Any other changes of note right now.
    yes now showing a white banner at the bottom of the screen with the same message.


  • #768
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,937 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I read this post from the TS Reader thread from Souriau that Saorview TV channels no. 9, 10, 16 and no. 210 from Saorview Radio are all out of service.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88366283&postcount=59

    I wonder what do you see on them?


  • #769
    Jpmarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    Channel 15 is a circle test card with a part os the Saorview logo on the bottom left of the screen. Rnag is on the soundtrack.


  • #770
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,092 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    LCN 15 is a hidden channel so they may be testing the shutdown message for the duplicate/simulcast channels 11, 17 and 18 there first.


  • #771
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,092 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    I read this post from the TS Reader thread from Souriau that Saorview TV channels no. 9, 10, 16 and no. 210 from Saorview Radio are all out of service.

    I wonder what do you see on them?

    LCNs 9, 10, 16 and 210 have never carried any services, hidden or otherwise.

    Channel line-up by LCN
    LCN
    |
    Channel
    ||
    Mux
    |
    01|RTÉ One|HD|2|
    02|RTÉ Two|HD|1|
    03|TV3|SD|1|
    04|TG4|SD|1|
    05|3e|SD|1|
    06|RTÉ News Now|SD|1|
    07|RTÉ Junior**|SD|2|
    08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|2|
    09-10|(not used)|||
    11|no channel name/programme info (RTÉ 1 simulcast)|SD|1|temporary, going in the New Year
    12*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|
    13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
    14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|TG4 subtitles and teletext tested previously
    15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2| RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
    16|(not used)|||
    17|no channel name/programme info (RTÉjr simulcast**)|SD|1|temporary, going in the New Year
    18|no channel name/programme info (RTÉ1 +1 simulcast**)|SD|1|temporary, going in the New Year
    200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|1|
    201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|1|
    202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|1|
    203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|1|
    204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|1|
    205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|1|
    206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio|1|
    207*|(no service carried)||1|previously RTÉ Choice
    208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|1|
    209|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio|1|
    210|(not used)||
    211-212*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio
    213*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
    214*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
    215-217*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio
    218-219*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Gold audio
    220*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|no audio
    249*|SSU|data channel|1|
    250*|SSU|data channel|2|

    * Hidden but can be selected by entering the channel no. via the remote control
    ** RTÉ Junior 0700-1845 approx / RTÉ One +1 1900-0100/0200 approx. Timesharing[/QUOTE]


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  • #772
    mackersdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    Last week, I did a full digital & analogue re-tune on my Dad's Samsung Unapproved Saorview TV and it found 20 digital and 1 analogue - S40 (letter S, Forty) from Three Rock

    Any ideas?


  • #773
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    S40 would be a hyperband cable TV channel: vision carrier 455.25 mHz, audio on 460.75.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_cable_television_frequencies


  • #774
    winston_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭winston_1


    mackersdublin wrote: »
    Last week, I did a full digital & analogue re-tune on my Dad's Samsung Unapproved Saorview TV and it found 20 digital and 1 analogue - S40 (letter S, Forty) from Three Rock

    Any ideas?

    So what on S40?


  • #775
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,092 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    winston_1 wrote: »
    So what on S40?

    Good question, no UPC analogue cable channels around there.

    In the national radio frequency plan that part of the spectrum is allocated to Land mobile: PMR UHF Band.


  • #776
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Leaking Digital Cable? Some TV sets can tune DVB-C, though not decrypt it.


  • #777
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,092 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    watty wrote: »
    Leaking Digital Cable? Some TV sets can tune DVB-C, though not decrypt it.

    We were referring to the 1 analogue channel on Ch.S40, what's on it - audio or video?

    Edit: I wonder if the "analogue channel" is actually a clear digital channel on that frequency, with the others encrypted?


  • #778
    mackersdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    UPC cables are near the TV. My Dad has BB & phone with them

    There was just fuss/white noise on the channel itself


  • #779
    Fuzzy Clam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,293 ✭✭✭Fuzzy Clam


    mackersdublin wrote: »
    UPC cables are near the TV. My Dad has BB & phone with them

    There was just fuss/white noise on the channel itself

    The Gardai had duplex repeaters on either 450 or 455 MHz in 25 Khz steps. It just possible this is still on with just noise now.


  • #780
    derryviewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 ✭derryviewer


    Anyone know if when all the work associated with the RTE1 HD launch his done if all the Soarview output will be on the one Mux or will they still have Mux 1 and Mux 2?

    I'm asking as based in Derry and picking up Moville signal and I am picking up the 2 mux's. This means that on my box RTE2hd is channel 801 while RTE1Hd is up around 816. There are numerous channels in between and after so it looks like my box is listing mux1 channels and then mux 2 channels. Don't mind the fact that the channel numbers are in the 800's, but it would be good to have rte1hd and rte2hd beside each other, just the way rte1sd was beside rte2hd previously when there was one mux.

    Thanks.


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  • #781
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    derryviewer wrote: »
    Anyone know if when all the work associated with the RTE1 HD launch his done if all the Soarview output will be on the one Mux or will they still have Mux 1 and Mux 2?

    . . . This means that on my box RTE2hd is channel 801 while RTE1Hd is up around 816. There are numerous channels in between and after so it looks like my box is listing mux1 channels and then mux 2 channels.

    There won't be a return to only 1 mux. The extra bandwidth is needed to allow more HD services.

    If your receiver won't order the channels correctly or allow you to edit the channel list, you will just have to put up with things the way they are. (Or get a more accommodating receiver.)

    Which are the 'numerous channels in between' RTE2 & RTE1?


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