Mux 2 Launched / Saorview Rescan Required

Peter Rhea · 26-11-2013 10:03pm

Oscarziggy wrote: »

Can anyone explain why this has happened ?

Maybe a weaker transmitter was tuned in on the problem TVs? Could be something on a lower frequency e.g. Arklow, Gallows Hill, Mullaghanish: depends where mandrk is located.

Oscarziggy · 26-11-2013 10:14pm

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Maybe a weaker transmitter was tuned in on the problem TVs? Could be something on a lower frequency e.g. Arklow, Gallows Hill, Mullaghanish: depends where mandrk is located.

Hadn't thought of that --- I am only in range of one TX here -- apart from yours over there with an additional aerial.
I wonder what is going to happen when MUX1 is turned off !!
Regards.

Mr Cumulonimbus · 26-11-2013 10:22pm

Oscarziggy wrote: »

Hadn't thought of that --- I am only in range of one TX here -- apart from yours over there with an additional aerial.
I wonder what is going to happen when MUX1 is turned off !!
Regards.

Will still be there. Just RTE1, RTEjr and RTE 1+1 being removed from it.

mandrk · 26-11-2013 10:59pm

Peter Rhea wrote: »

So the splitter is fed from the aerial-out of a STB at the TV point that is fed direct from the aerial?

No, aerial connected directly to mvision combo stb. This is working fine all be it with worse quality/strength on mux1. Then I've a second feed from the same aerial going to a 4 way splitter then off to 2 other TVs. These TVs are the ones I'm having trouble with.

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Maybe a weaker transmitter was tuned in on the problem TVs? Could be something on a lower frequency e.g. Arklow, Gallows Hill, Mullaghanish: depends where mandrk is located.

No I've got the right CHs/freqs for mt Leinster as per the rtenl doc. 23/490 on MUX 1 and 26/514 for MUX 2. I'm based in hilly south Wicklow between aughrim and tinahely but have clear line of sight to mt leinster all be it 25 miles away. Arklow is probably closer but I've never been able to pick up this tx which is on CH 21 I think.

Oscarziggy · 26-11-2013 11:36pm

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

Will still be there. Just RTE1, RTEjr and RTE 1+1 being removed from it.

Thanks --- my fault, you have said what I meant to say !!
Maybe it's these duplicates that are causing the problems -- time will tell.
Regards

Peter Rhea · 27-11-2013 12:21am

mandrk wrote: »

I've a second feed from the same aerial going to a 4 way splitter then off to 2 other TVs.

What kind of aerial? I think I've only seen 1 that had provision for more than 1 connection, via an integrated amplifier. Just jamming extra cables into a connection intended for 1 only, is a no-no.

dubb · 27-11-2013 12:21am

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

Peter Rhea wrote: »

the 'old' mux 1 versions are still running.

Any date as to when these actually finish?

The 'old' MUX1 broadcasts should continue past Christmas according to RTÉNL/2RN. I guess they would like to avoid the bad PR of 'switching off' people's RTE1 before Christmas, especially if nobody needs the SD MUX1 channels yet.

mandrk · 27-11-2013 12:41am

Peter Rhea wrote: »

What kind of aerial? I think I've only seen 1 that had provision for more than 1 connection, via an integrated amplifier. Just jamming extra cables into a connection intended for 1 only, is a no-no.

Its a 15 euro piece of crap UHF aerial I picked up in b&q years ago. Yes its only meant for single feed but issues only kicked off when MUX 2 was turned on. All was fine for close on 4 years before that.

Peter Rhea · 27-11-2013 12:53am

Anything used to divide the signal from the aerial must maintain the correct system impedance. Connecting cables together directly won't do this & signal won't be transferred efficiently from aerial to receiver(s).

You should just have 1 feed from the aerial to the splitter, & feed the receivers from the splitter.

The Cush · 27-11-2013 12:56am

mandrk wrote: »

Its a 15 euro piece of crap UHF aerial I picked up in b&q years ago. Yes its only meant for single feed but issues only kicked off when MUX 2 was turned on. All was fine for close on 4 years before that.

Going back to your initial post, my suggestion would be to mount the aerial outside with a distribution amp in the attic to feed the different TV points.

mandrk · 27-11-2013 8:26am

Thanks for the tips guys. Will try to rewire and distribute off single feed first before drilling holes & buying an amp. Will let you know how I go.

Mr Cumulonimbus · 27-11-2013 7:39pm

Oscarziggy wrote: »

Maybe it's these duplicates that are causing the problems

It's a factor for some I'd say. They should switch them off on a given date, say 10th January, with a permanent onscreen message saying this for about a week preceeding it.

steveon · 27-11-2013 7:54pm

Oscarziggy wrote: »

What I can't understand is why since the launch of MUX 2 people have LOST channels.
Over here in Wales if you fail to receive a MUX because your aerial isn't up to it then you get less channels.
Why are people over there complaining that since MUX 2 launched they have lost channels that were previously ok.?
Is it bad channel MUX planning --- if you remember Mt Leinster launched a MUX on ch45 which wiped out Preseli reception on the North coast of Pembrokeshire --- Preseli using ch45 as well ?
Regards

Some people lost the channels as the old versions are not broadcasting any name so some tv's such as Samsung and Lg's simply remove them from the listing.

Oscarziggy · 27-11-2013 10:04pm

steveon wrote: »

Some people lost the channels as the old versions are not broadcasting any name so some tv's such as Samsung and Lg's simply remove them from the listing.

That could explain why the odd set top box I have - View21 PVR - is the same .
BUT if,after a "first time install" I watch RTE1 HD and leave the box on that channel it will remain.
If I change channels to RTE2 HD or any other then when I try to come back
to RTE1 HD it's not available --- as in GONE !!
If,after a "first time install" I tune into RTE2 HD then try to change to RTE1 HD it's already GONE !!
Very odd box ....
My Sony TV keeps them all.

Regards

mandrk · 28-11-2013 12:24am

mandrk wrote: »

Thanks for the tips guys. Will try to rewire and distribute off single feed first before drilling holes & buying an amp. Will let you know how I go.

All sorted. Moving the second feed I had from the aerial to the splitter did the trick. All stbs and TVs working fine for both MUXs. Thanks for help.

kooga · 05-12-2013 1:16pm

good to see all is quiet here on the mux 2 rescan thread..................all must be ok or else people have just given up watching rte 1

timmy4u2 · 05-12-2013 1:27pm

kooga wrote: »

good to see all is quiet here on the mux 2 rescan thread..................all must be ok or else people have just given up watching rte 1

Things get very easy when you get to know everything about them:D

Oscarziggy · 05-12-2013 7:27pm

Waiting for reply from the maker of my set top box for a work around and with interest when the duplicates are shut down in January I believe.

It's only TV after all ..!!

Regards

dublinman1990 · 12-12-2013 3:37pm

Oscarziggy wrote: »

Waiting for reply from the maker of my set top box for a work around and with interest when the duplicates are shut down in January I believe.

It's only TV after all ..!!

Regards

Well we won't have to wait any longer now because RTE1 HD on both Saorview & UPC will launch from next Monday.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/media-and-marketing/rt%C3%A9-one-hd-to-launch-next-monday-1.1624437

jimbo2007 · 13-12-2013 12:28am

The Cush wrote: »

This is the current channel line-up on Saorview .

Channel line-up by LCN
LCN
|
Channel
||
Mux
|
01|RTÉ One|HD|2|
02|RTÉ Two|HD|1|
03|TV3|SD|1|
04|TG4|SD|1|
05|3e|SD|1|
06|RTÉ News Now|SD|1|
07|RTÉjr**|SD|2|
08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|2|
09-10|(not used)|||
11|no channel name/programme info (RTÉ 1 simulcast)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
12*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|
13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|TG4 subtitles and teletext tested previously
15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2| RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
16|(not used)|||
17|no channel name/programme info (RTÉjr simulcast**)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
18|no channel name/programme info (RTÉ1 +1 simulcast**)|SD|1|temporary, ends 11/12th Nov?
200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|1|
201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|1|
202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|1|
203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|1|
204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|1|
205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|1|
206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio|1|
207*|(not used)||1|previously RTÉ Choice
208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|1|
209|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio|1|
210|(not used)||
211-212*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio
213*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
214*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
215-217*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio
218-219*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Gold audio
220*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|no audio
249*|SSU|data channel|1|
250*|SSU|data channel|2|

* Hidden but can be selected by entering the channel no. via the remote control
** RTÉjr 0700-1845 approx / RTÉ One +1 1900-0100/0200 approx. Timesharing.

I assume this is still the same line-up today - but on Monday after the changes, please can you update this table for us? Thanks.

The Cush · 13-12-2013 1:24am

jimbo2007 wrote: »

I assume this is still the same line-up today - but on Monday after the changes, please can you update this table for us? Thanks.

There won't be any changes to the table until the 3 duplicate channels are switched off or some other change. RTÉ1 HD is already in position at LCN 01 and using a 1080i HD stream on Mux2 .

The only change we should see from Monday will be some programming in true HD with the rest in upscaled SD as is the case with RTÉ2 HD.

Hotblack Desiato · 13-12-2013 1:38am

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Well we won't have to wait any longer now because RTE1 HD on both Saorview & UPC will launch from next Monday.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/media-and-marketing/rt%C3%A9-one-hd-to-launch-next-monday-1.1624437

Bit pathetic that it talks about the 'forthcoming' launch of a HD channel that's been there for weeks now. Then again, it's a tech article in Irish mainstream media, so a clue is unlikely. (Hotel wi-fi scare blatant publicity stunt, anyone?)

Yes, it's mostly upscaled, but so is RTE2HD, and even upscaled content is a lot better than the low-bitrate sub-SD resolution RTE1 had until the Mux2 launch.

Still though, there should have been two muxes at ASO and decent SD, if not upscaled HD (or real HD) on RTE1/2 and TG4 at that time. TV3 have never cared about poor coverage on analogue so they're hardly going to care about poor quality pictures on Saorview.

Gerry Wicklow · 13-12-2013 10:40am

ninja900 wrote: »

......
Yes, it's mostly upscaled, but so is RTE2HD, and even upscaled content is a lot better than the low-bitrate sub-SD resolution RTE1 had until the Mux2 launch.
............

It's much better than the fog they were transmitting but it would be even better if they went for full 1920 HD.

Dear Santa, I have been a good boy......:D

Oscarziggy · 13-12-2013 11:52am

If a rescan is the order of the day ---- some fun coming up next week !!
Are we talking of a totally new channel or the content on the existing RTE1 upscaled.?
RTE1 ,RTE 1 Duplicate and RTE1 HD?
Regards

galtee boy · 13-12-2013 12:22pm

The Cush wrote: »

There won't be any changes to the table until the 3 duplicate channels are switched off or some other change. RTÉ1 HD is already in position at LCN 01 and using a 1080i HD stream on Mux2 .

The only change we should see from Monday will be some programming in true HD with the rest in upscaled SD as is the case with RTÉ2 HD.

And a new RTE1 HD DOG ?

zg3409 · 13-12-2013 12:37pm

From what I read here, nothing should change except for:
1) Possibly DOG
2) More detailed content on existing RTE1 transmission with no technical changes.

formerly scottish paddy · 13-12-2013 2:22pm

Oscarziggy wrote: »

If a rescan is the order of the day ---- some fun coming up next week !!
Are we talking of a totally new channel or the content on the existing RTE1 upscaled.?
RTE1 ,RTE 1 Duplicate and RTE1 HD?
Regards

No further rescan, (if you have already done it since 21st October!)
RTÉ1 HD already there (upscaled 1080i) Saorview channel 01 (on Mux2). What is being launched on Monday is the "official" naming of the channel as: RTÉ1 HD (probably with a new DOG) and the ability to play out recorded material in true HD, and stream HD programming from OB's and external sources. No studios have been converted to HD working yet, so no studio based RTÉ programming in HD for a while.

Oscarziggy · 13-12-2013 2:54pm

formerly scottish paddy.
Thanks for that --- nothing is going to change for me as my magic box automatically deletes RTE 1 just after it finds it leaving the non - EPG RTE 1---- but that is another story !!
Interesting time for me will be when the duplicates cease.
Regards

Grats · 13-12-2013 6:04pm

This query may have nothing to do with this topic but I don't want to start up another topic if not necessary.

Recently I find that when the ad come on the sound is just way too loud. I turn it down but when the program comes back on I have to turn the sound way back up again. Very frustrating. Anybody else experiencing this? Any ideas what is causing it?

Thanks and regards.

13-12-2013 6:13pm

Grats wrote: »

This query may have nothing to do with this topic but I don't want to start up another topic if not necessary.

Recently I find that when the ad come on the sound is just way too loud. I turn it down but when the program comes back on I have to turn the sound way back up again. Very frustrating. Anybody else experiencing this? Any ideas what is causing it?

Thanks and regards.

It's deliberate, to draw attention to the advertising. The FCC in the US banned this practice recently but I can't see that being done here.

Mux 2 Launched / Saorview Rescan Required

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