Mux 2 Launched / Saorview Rescan Required

bjfmd

dipol signal hd 507, i keep rescanning this but it shows rte 1 still needs to be rescanned, any help please, thank you

The Cush

bjfmd wrote: »

dipol signal hd 507, i keep rescanning this but it shows rte 1 still needs to be rescanned, any help please, thank you

Two possible reasons, either the Mux2 signal isn't good enough from your aerial setup to store the channels or the channels are already stored after the existing Mux1 channels.

Check the full list of channels stored and look for duplicate channels RTÉ1 and RTÉ1+1/RTÉjr.

If the new channels are stored at the end of the list, delete the old channels and manually move the new channels into the correct location.

If the channels are not stored you will have to look at your aerial setup to see how reception can be improved. What type of aerial are you using now, indoor/outdoor/attic?

The Cush

The duplicate stream on Mux1 carrying the RTÉ Junior and RTÉ1 +1 channels (LCNs 17 & 18) came to an end @ approx 0215 this morning, after Oireachtas Report.

Pics taken yesterday.

formerly scottish paddy

When is RTÉ 1 SD going?

fat-tony

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

When is RTÉ 1 SD going?

Well, the now/next EPG data says re-scan required and it is on a 12 hour timer expiring at midnight. But they could extend this on a day by day basis. The schedule EPG data (for events after the now/next programme) has as its last entry 4/3/2014 and they haven't changed it since. It would appear to be imminent. Presume they will put a video overlay on the channel as per Cush's post.
RTEjr is gone from Mux1.

edit - previous posts indicate April 2nd may be the switch off date. It's of no significance as you should already be using the RTE1 HD signal from the second mux. Why 2RN (or RTE) are dragging this on for so long is beyond me. The UK population have been through multiple re-scans of Freeview while networks were re-balanced right through the run-up to ASO and afterwards. Why do we need this continually extending deadline when we have only one transmission standard (not two like the UK for SD and HD where they need to maintain both versions) and all boxes should be ok with a re-scan.

The Cush

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

When is RTÉ 1 SD going?

I posted this last week - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89303418&postcount=828

Oscarziggy

fat-tony wrote: »

The UK population have been through multiple re-scans of Freeview while networks were re-balanced right through the run-up to ASO and afterwards. Why do we need this continually extending deadline when we have only one transmission standard (not two like the UK for SD and HD where they need to maintain both versions) and all boxes should be ok with a re-scan.

Very true --- except over here in the UK we didn't have channels duplicated between muxes.
It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if that had been the case ...
Regards.

fat-tony

That's sort of my point, really. RTE (or 2RN) created this monster by firing up the same channel(s) on both muxes. Perhaps done with the best of intentions but it has led to this "death by a thousand cuts" scenario, where they keep announcing "we're going to switch this channel off", then saying "ok, we were only messing before, but we're definitely going to switch it off this time". People had no motivation to re-scan other than the loss of EPG. The fact that there were two version of RTE 1 when people re-scanned must have led to confusion also.
They should have just pulled the plug when the first deadline expired.

steveon

fat-tony wrote: »

That's sort of my point, really. RTE (or 2RN) created this monster by firing up the same channel(s) on both muxes. Perhaps done with the best of intentions but it has led to this "death by a thousand cuts" scenario, where they keep announcing "we're going to switch this channel off", then saying "ok, we were only messing before, but we're definitely going to switch it off this time". People had no motivation to re-scan other than the loss of EPG. The fact that there were two version of RTE 1 when people re-scanned must have led to confusion also.
They should have just pulled the plug when the first deadline expired.

Totally agree as some boxes and tvs keep picking back up the old signals and on some ariva boxes it causes the channels to get mixed up again unless u leave the old signals there at the end....bout time they removed them.

eh426

I see the title of this thread describes the launch of a new Irish mux so this seems as close to an appropriate place as I can get. Could someone please tell me, or tell me how I can find out, how many mux are operating in the Republic of Ireland, whether any of them are dvbt 2 and which compression software they use.

Thank you

Edward

Elmo

eh426 wrote: »

I see the title of this thread describes the launch of a new Irish mux so this seems as close to an appropriate place as I can get. Could someone please tell me, or tell me how I can find out, how many mux are operating in the Republic of Ireland, whether any of them are dvbt 2 and which compression software they use.

Thank you

Edward

AFAIK there might be three but its looking unlikely.

All DVBT2 TVs are compatible with Saorview. But no suggestion Soarview will go DVBT2.

What standard is used?

The Cush

eh426 wrote: »

I see the title of this thread describes the launch of a new Irish mux so this seems as close to an appropriate place as I can get. Could someone please tell me, or tell me how I can find out, how many mux are operating in the Republic of Ireland, whether any of them are dvbt 2 and which compression software they use.

2 PSB Muxes are licensed to RTÉ and operated by 2RN/RTÉNL - http://www.comreg.ie/radio_spectrum/digital_broadcasting.542.517.html.

The DVB-T standard is used, there are no current plans to use DVB-T2.
Saorview uses the MPEG-4 video compression standard.
Interactive and teletext uses the MHEG-5 standard.

http://www.comreg.ie/_fileupload/publications/ComReg1413.pdf

egal

Elmo wrote: »

All DVBT2 TVs are compatible with Saorview.

Not quite true. Picture and sound will be received OK but other services (text, etc.) may not be received correctly or at all unless set is also Saorview approved.

watty

Not at all true. There are probably many DVB-T2 TVs not fully compatible with Saorview.

The reason for a certification process is because "MPEG-2", "MHEG-5", "DVB-T", "DVB-T2", "AAC" & "MPEG-4" all have too many variations and interpretations. Without certification it's impossible to know.

There is no assurance that there wouldn't be problems even with video and audio without certification.

Channels are allocated for 6 mux with public publishing of site allocations for four mux. Only two in use. If there is demand four or even 6 could be used for FTA TV.

Saorview now includes Nordig's DVB-T2 (for certification of new models). But there are no plans to use DVB-T2. Older Saorview TVs and boxes do not have to have DVB-T2. All must have every other Nordig aspect but with MHEG5 rather than MHP. MHP is pretty dead outside of Italy.

mackersdublin

The Cush wrote: »

The duplicate stream on Mux1 carrying the RTÉ Junior and RTÉ1 +1 channels (LCNs 17 & 18) came to an end @ approx 0215 this morning, after Oireachtas Report.

Pics taken yesterday.

Why didn't Saorview use these captions on the run up to ASO in October 2012 instead of that little red x in the bottom right corner

Elmo

mackersdublin wrote: »

Why didn't Saorview use these captions on the run up to ASO in October 2012 instead of that little red x in the bottom right corner

Oh! if only. The DCENR said that they couldn't get RTÉ, TV3 and TG4 to do this, and that it would not be proper ask (I know they didn't ask so how do they know and why didn't they just force them on it). So instead they decided to pay money to an advertising company. They had so many excuses not to use on screen captions during ASO/DSO.

TV3 resisted using the X up to the very end, though the DCENR said they did.

PeterDuggan

Hope this is the right place to ask for advice on this problem.

I seem to have lost all DTT channels except RTE1 and RTE1+1. Strangely, this has only happened on my pc card receiver. (My other normal receiver is fine.)

The faulty one is showing signal strengths of ~80%, the name of the now and next programme and how much of the current programme has been transmitted ...but no video or sound. A rescan only picks up RTE1 and RTE 1+1.

Both receivers are coming off the same aerial.

Any suggestions would be great thanks.

The Cush

PeterDuggan wrote: »

Hope this is the right place to ask for advice on this problem.

I seem to have lost all DTT channels except RTE1 and RTE1+1. Strangely, this has only happened on my pc card receiver. (My other normal receiver is fine.)

I'd check the pc card at the other working TV point, it might indicate a signal strength/quality issue at the pc card point.

The Cush

A testcard has now appeared on the old RTÉjr Mux 1 LCN 17, black screen for 18.

Current Saorview multiplex line-up
Multiplex 1

LCN

|

Channel

||
11|no channel name (RTÉ 1 simulcast)|SD|temporary, going on April 2nd
02|RTÉ Two|HD|
03|TV3|SD|
04|TG4|SD|
05|3e|SD|
06|RTÉ News Now|SD|
17*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|previously RTÉ Junior simulcast
18*|(no channel name )|SD|previously RTÉ1 +1 simulcast
200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|
201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|
202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|
203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|
204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|
205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|
206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio
207*|(not used)||previously RTÉ Choice
208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|
209|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio

Multiplex 2

LCN

|

Channel

||
01|RTÉ One|HD|
12*| (no channel name/testcard) |HD|
13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|TG4 subtitles and teletext previously
15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
16|(not used)||
07|RTÉ Junior**|SD|
08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|
211-212*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|no audio
213*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
214*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
215-220*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|no audio

Channel line-up by LCN on a Saorview TV setup with Ireland as the country/region on first install

LCN

|

Channel

||

Mux

|
01|RTÉ One|HD|2|
02|RTÉ Two|HD|1|
03|TV3|SD|1|
04|TG4|SD|1|
05|3e|SD|1|
06|RTÉ News Now|SD|1|
07|RTÉ Junior**|SD|2|
08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|2|
09-10|(not used)|||
11|no channel name (RTÉ 1 simulcast)|SD|1|temporary, going on April 2nd
12*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|
13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|TG4 subtitles and teletext tested previously
15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2| RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
16|(not used)|||
17*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|1|previously RTÉ Junior simulcast
18*|(no channel name )|SD|1|previously RTÉ1 +1 simulcast
200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|1|
201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|1|
202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|1|
203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|1|
204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|1|
205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|1|
206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio|1|
207*|(no service carried)||1|previously RTÉ Choice
208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|1|
209|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio|1|
210|(not used)||
211-212*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio
213*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
214*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta audio
215-220*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|no audio

* Hidden on Saorview receivers but can be selected by entering the channel no. via the remote control
** RTÉ Junior 0700-1845 approx / RTÉ One +1 1900-0100/0200 approx. Timesharing

galtee boy

The Cush wrote: »

A testcard has now appeared on the old RTÉjr Mux 1 LCN 17,

Bit early for a place holder for UTVI !

The Cush

galtee boy wrote: »

Bit early for a place holder for UTVI !

Maybe next Nov/Dec when everything is agreed and its LCN on the Saorview is sorted.

galtee boy

The Cush wrote: »

Maybe next Nov/Dec when everything is agreed and its LCN on the Saorview is sorted.

Out of curiosity, do you think that UTVI will end up on " channel no.9" in other words , last on the Saorview Epg, behind RTE1+1 ?

The Cush

galtee boy wrote: »

do you think that UTVI will end up on " channel no.9" in other words , last on the Saorview Epg, behind RTE1+1 ?

My guess at this time would be LCN 6, after the other general entertainment channels.

watty

They ought to have 5

or

3

STB

Thank God they sorted the power output on Mux 2 at Mt Leinster. It has been at least 20% less than Mux 1 over the past week or so.

The Cush

STB wrote: »

Thank God they sorted the power output on Mux 2 at Mt Leinster. It has been at least 20% less than Mux 1 over the past week or so.

There was some scheduled maintenance there according to Aertel p169.

Elmo

The Cush wrote: »

My guess at this time would be LCN 6, after the other general entertainment channels.

Have the BAI published their EPG guidelines yet?
LCN 6? Why has RTÉ One +1 not been pushed to before RTÉ News Now?

The Cush

Does anyone see it as odd that there are many websites around informing people that the simulcast versions of RTÉ 1, +1 and RTÉjr were switching off on various dates but nothing on http://www.2rn.ie/broadcast/saorview-digital-tv/ or http://www.saorview.ie/?

Even Jerry Buttimer TD, Chairman of the Oireachtas Health Committee has it on his website but nothing informing viewers on the the websites of the company running Saorview

Saorview re-scan must be completed by April 2 – Buttimer

13 March 2014

•Saorview television viewers to complete the re-scan process by April 2, 2014 to ensure that they continue receive RTE One.

All TV viewers who use the Saorview service must ensure that they re-scan their televisions before April 2 so that they continue to receive RTÉ One. Last December Saorview launched RTÉ One in HD format, following this launch the broadcast of the standard format of the station will cease. For viewers to continue to receive RTÉ One they must ensure that they have completed the re-scan process, full details of which are available on www.saorview.ie.

Preparations for the launch of RTÉ One HD began last October, since then over 60% of households have already completed the re-scan process. For all of those who have already re-scanned their televisions and are now receiving RTÉ One HD there is no need to do it again. Only those households who have not re-scanned their televisions must do so before April 2.

On screen messaging will appear from Tuesday March 25 as a further reminder of the need to complete this process. Over the next three weeks I would encourage everybody to check with friends and neighbours who may need help in completing this process to ensure that they can continue to access RTÉ One television.

Since the switch of analogue television signals in October 2012 Saorview has enabled TV viewers to access high quality digital TV. Over the coming months and years the Saorview service will continue to be developed, it is expected that later this year a HD version of TG4 will be launched. Each of these developments will require a re-scan so that viewers can continue to receive the latest high quality free-to-air television. Over the next three weeks I hope we can all work together to ensure that everyone can continue to view RTÉ One beyond April 2 without interruption.

- See more at: http://jerrybuttimer.ie/2014/03/13/saorview-re-scan-must-be-completed-by-april-2-buttimer/#sthash.9dUx5jB2.dpuf

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/braypeople/news/rescan-saorview-or-you-may-lose-stations-30064218.html

60% of the 620,000 households with digital television service have already re-scanned , so for the remaining 40% the re-scan is necessary to ensure the continued reception of RTÉ One, RTÉ Jr. and RTÉ +1 channels, which are available to 98% of households across Ireland. Deadline dates for the completion of the rescan are:

■Tuesday 11th March 2014 for RTÉ Jr. and RTÉ +1
■Wednesday 2nd April 2014 for RTÉ One

It will be clear whether a re-scan is required by viewing channels 7 or 8 and checking the ‘now & next’ information on the bottom of the screen. From Monday, 3rd March viewers who need to re-scan will see a message come up on screen for RTÉ Jr and RTÉ One +1 and from Tuesday, 25th March a similar message will appear on RTÉ One (standard definition) – customers are advised to follow the instructions on screen.

Oscarziggy

Didn't notice Mt Leinster being on reduced power.
Question : Are there any house holds over there who don't have HD terrestrial equipment and have been missing, but quite happy living without, RTE 2 and will be loosing RTE 1 as well ?
There are many house holds over here that have SD only receivers but BBC1 HD etc is transmitted along side BBC1 SD etc.
Regards.

fat-tony

Oscarziggy wrote: »

Didn't notice Mt Leinster being on reduced power.
Question : Are there any house holds over there who don't have HD terrestrial equipment and have been missing, but quite happy living without, RTE 2 and will be loosing RTE 1 as well ?
There are many house holds over here that have SD only receivers but BBC1 HD etc is transmitted along side BBC1 SD etc.
Regards.

You don't need HD equipment, specifically. The Saorview approved receiver/STB is required to decode SD and HD signals and present them to the TV via SCART or HDMI, so it is compatible with older CRT or flat screen TVs which are not HD ready. SD and HD are transmitted over DVB-T using MPEG-4, so you have both flavours in one multiplex.
The UK situation is different in that SD is transmitted over DVB-T using MPEG-2 and HD is transmitted over DVB-T2 using MPEG-4, so older Freeview equipment is not compatible with HD. BBC etc have to maintain simultaneous SD and HD transmissions until such time as all receiving equipment is HD compatible.

That said, there may be some viewers in Ireland using el cheapo receivers (non Saorview approved) which can't process HD resolutions so those will lose the RTE1 signal.