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Youth Defence must be feeling desperate

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Morag wrote: »
    A red wine Placenta reduction, what else?

    Oh noooo - that would completely overpower the delicate flavour.

    I would recommend a sauteed fetus scallopini with lemon sauce.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    Morag wrote:
    A red wine Placenta reduction, what else?
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I would recommend a sauteed fetus scallopini with lemon sauce.

    Well now I'm just conflicted. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭loveisdivine


    This is good news obviously, but we are still miles away from the end goal.

    Cant wait to see what YD think. Such a shame I cant comment on their page anymore.

    Actually they will probably just try and spin it that its not really abortion. Its just saving the life of the mother, by killing ta baaaaaaby


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Beruthiel wrote: »
    I'll be more than pissed off if that turns out to be true.

    The remit of the X case and the EU Court of human rights rulings on the ABC cases is all they will do as that was only the expert groups remit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    It's a start. The thin end of the wedge, as I'm sure the nutters will say, before claiming that it'll lead to bestiality, legalised murder, polygamy and decline of birthrates because everyone chooses to be gay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    Did Kenny say adoption instead of abortion in that video?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    *whispers* Betcha ya sometimes wish ya had a semi-automatic...with silencer.
    A silencer on its own -- if it would work -- would be just fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    robindch wrote: »
    A silencer on its own -- if it would work -- would be just fine.

    duct-tape.jpg ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Is there anything duct tape can't do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Sarky wrote: »
    Is there anything duct tape can't do?

    Help my shortass self reach the top cupboard. :mad:


    Need that other indispensable item for that

    milk-crate_~INGPCYHE0029.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    duct-tape.jpg ?

    In Fairness would you want to get close enough to any of the YD/prolife/Christian solidarity party to use it on them?
    Cos that would mean touching them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Hey, some people like feeling dirty...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Morag wrote: »
    In Fairness would you want to get close enough to any of the YD/prolife/Christian solidarity party to use it on them?
    Cos that would mean touching them.



    canstock10373293.jpg

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    There's not enough wire brushes and dettol in the word......

    Always knew you were a worse perv then me Sarky!


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 Bristolian


    The process for introducing abortion is the same here as in every other country that has introduced abortion through the back door 1. Find an emotional case 2. Hype it up to the last 3. Introduce limited abortion 4. Open the floodgates.

    The following quote is from Norma Mc Corvey the famous "Jane Roe" who brought a case which eventually legalised abortion in the U.S.A.:
    "I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about 'products of conception'. It wasn't about 'missed periods'. It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear"

    So it was painfully clear after a while to the woman who opened the floodgates. She regretted her actions and eventually became a Roman Catholic. In 2005 she petitioned the high court to overturn the 1973 ruling in the light of all the evidence that has come to light about the harm the procedure does to women. But of course the petition was denied.

    We were a shining light to the world in our care for life. Today we have regressed and stepped back into the dark ages of barbarism and cruelty were killing people is put forward as a solution to our problems.

    By the way I don't agree with many Youth Defence tactics such as displaying pictures of mangled babies. That shows a lack of respect for life too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Well that's not a carbon copy of an Independent comment that I replied to about 20 minutes ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Sarky wrote: »
    Well that's not a carbon copy of an Independent comment that I replied to about 20 minutes ago.

    I tried to look - but the tone of many of the comments was making me feel ill and vomiting just after eating chowder is...not pleasant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Morag wrote: »
    The remit of the X case and the EU Court of human rights rulings on the ABC cases is all they will do as that was only the expert groups remit.

    In fairness that's all they can do without repealing the 8th amendment.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    ninja900 wrote: »
    In fairness that's all they can do without repealing the 8th amendment.

    The sooner there is a move to repeal the 8th the better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bobby42


    New Youth Defence slogan:

    Here's an ultrasound of a featus with a Santa hat on its head. Your argument is invalid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat


    Bristolian wrote: »
    The process for introducing abortion is the same here as in every other country that has introduced abortion through the back door 1. Find an emotional case 2. Hype it up to the last 3. Introduce limited abortion 4. Open the floodgates.

    The following quote is from Norma Mc Corvey the famous "Jane Roe" who brought a case which eventually legalised abortion in the U.S.A.:
    "I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn't about 'products of conception'. It wasn't about 'missed periods'. It was about children being killed in their mother's wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affidavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion — at any point — was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear"

    So it was painfully clear after a while to the woman who opened the floodgates. She regretted her actions and eventually became a Roman Catholic. In 2005 she petitioned the high court to overturn the 1973 ruling in the light of all the evidence that has come to light about the harm the procedure does to women. But of course the petition was denied.

    We were a shining light to the world in our care for life. Today we have regressed and stepped back into the dark ages of barbarism and cruelty were killing people is put forward as a solution to our problems.

    By the way I don't agree with many Youth Defence tactics such as displaying pictures of mangled babies. That shows a lack of respect for life too.

    Claptrap. Care for life includes caring for the wishes of living, feeling sentient women. What's painfully clear is that Norma's experience is her own, and she does not speak for every woman who might wish to terminate a pregnancy. She regrets her abortion, that's sad, but there are thousands, nay, millions of women who do not. Should women be denied basic reproductive healthcare because some women regret the CHOICE they made?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Morag wrote: »
    The sooner there is a move to repeal the 8th the better.

    Maybe in another 20 years :rolleyes:

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Sarky wrote: »
    Is there anything duct tape can't do?
    Sarky wrote: »
    Hey, some people like feeling dirty...

    Bloody Mary, I gotta draw the line somewhere..........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Desperate much???!

    http://www.krank.ie/category/snippet/the-great-youth-defence-edit-war/

    "Truthbeo has also received a number of warnings and bans for their activity:

    “Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Youth Defence. Doing so violates Wikipedia’s neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you.”

    “You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Youth Defence…on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process”

    “Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Youth Defence, you may be blocked from editing. Thank you.”

    “You may be blocked again, perhaps permanently, if you persist in your behaviour.”"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    "Truthbeo"
    The irony of that name


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭loveisdivine


    and so it begins.....

    That will be my voice they hear, shouting "Wooohooooo!"
    Life Institute: 'We will make sure every Irish person understands that Fine Gael is now the abortion party'
    The Life Institute has warned Fine Gael that if it moves to legalise abortion it will pay a price in the court of public opinion for breaking the pro-life promise it made in Election 2011.

    Spokeswoman Niamh Ui Bhriain said that Enda Kenny had no mandate to legalise abortion, as evidenced by the findings of a recent opinion poll which showed that two thirds of people wanted the risk of suicide excluded as grounds for an abortion.

    "The people understand that if the threat of suicide is included in any legislation it will introduce, for the first time, the direct and intentional killing of unborn children into Irish law."

    "Fine Gael know that the tragic death of Savita Halappanavar had nothing to do with Ireland's ban on abortion. Yet they are seizing this opportunity caused by public confusion to stream-roller the country into accepting abortion legislation," she said

    She warned Enda Kenny that if he imagined that he could push ahead with abortion legislation and that the controversy would all 'blow over', he was sorely mistaken.

    "Fine Gael gave a commitment not to legalise abortion in Election 2011. If they break that promise then the pro-life movement will make every person in Ireland aware of what every Fine Gael TD did in relation to abortion."

    "In that case, we would make sure that every Irish person knows that a vote for Fine Gael is now a vote for abortion," said Ms Uí Bhriain.

    The Life Institute spokeswoman said that pro-life voters had other options, and that there would be a massive undertaking to inform and mobilise public opinion against Fine Gael if the party broke its pro-life promise.

    "This will not blow over, despite what Enda Kenny might think. This issue is the human rights issue of our time, and the lives of mothers and babies cannot be sacrificed to political opportunism," she said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Jesus, what a miserable old bag.
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I tried to look - but the tone of many of the comments was making me feel ill and vomiting just after eating chowder is...not pleasant.

    Oh, the first dozen comments were grand, sensible, well-written and the like. Then a bunch of loonies came along and spammed a load of emotional ill-informed and badly-spelled claptrap.

    There's a small window on these things for good comments. As soon as the pro-lifers get wind of it though it just goes downhill.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    It's pretty hilarious that they think Fine Gael, of all parties, could be considered the "abortion party".

    I don't understand their anger about this though. Fair enough, if they think this will lead to abortion on demand but how could they not want this legislation? Do they just want women to die if something goes wrong? It really doesn't make sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    "recent opinion poll which showed that two thirds of people wanted the risk of suicide excluded as grounds for an abortion"

    What opinion poll? No-one asked me what my opinion was. Was this, by any chance, the kind of opinion poll that is asked, say, at YD meetings, or on the YD website?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    kylith wrote: »
    "recent opinion poll which showed that two thirds of people wanted the risk of suicide excluded as grounds for an abortion"

    What opinion poll? No-one asked me what my opinion was. Was this, by any chance, the kind of opinion poll that is asked, say, at YD meetings, or on the YD website?

    You'd also think that referendums would be more accurate on what the electorate supports. :confused:


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    You'd also think that referendums would be more accurate on what the electorate supports. :confused:
    They will be as soon as the electorate understands what referendums are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    robindch wrote: »
    They will be as soon as the electorate understands what referendums are.

    The government aren't great at understanding them either.... :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭loveisdivine


    They reckon that leaflet campaign has reached 1.4 million homes and apparently the response is "HUGE!". No actual figures though. Then again I dont trust the skewed figures they qoute.

    I love how their facebook page is full of angry Americans. Obviously cant find enough support on home soil.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    They reckon that leaflet campaign has reached 1.4 million homes and apparently the response is "HUGE!". No actual figures though. Then again I dont trust the skewed figures they qoute.

    I love how their facebook page is full of angry Americans. Obviously cant find enough support on home soil.

    1.4 million homes eh - don't tell Phil Hogan or he will be looking for their mailing list to chase up the HHC non-payers.

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    No leaflet for me. First the Jehovahs leave town, now this. I feel so shunned :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    It's funny how the fiercely Catholic Life Institute can call Ireland's stance on abortion "the human rights issue of our time" while the Pope is busy blessing the 'Kill The Gays' bill in Uganda.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    My brain read that as 'Catholic Lowlife Institute'

    Bad brain.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    ninja900 wrote: »
    My brain read that as 'Catholic Lowlife Institute'

    Bad brain.

    Not your fault -Satan put those evil thoughts in your brain. Nothing to do with you - you are the victim here.


    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Looks like YD are breaking more rules. It's litter laws this time.
    http://www.krank.ie/category/snippet/those-foetuses-in-santa-hats/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,477 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    My mother said that earlier today, the phone rang and she picked it up to hear a recorded message saying that Savita didn't die due to not having an abortion, but instead died due to septicaemia, and the Government were trying to cover it up (my mother was pretty scarce on details as she didn't initially realise it was recorded and kept trying to interrupt them.

    She tried to call the number back but it wouldn't ring (presumably due to it being automated.

    Anyone else hear anything about this?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Oh crap. No, not heard of that one yet. Has she still got the number?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,604 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    And they aren't exploiting the case...right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,477 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Obliq wrote: »
    Oh crap. No, not heard of that one yet. Has she still got the number?

    It's a dead line. Did a google search after posting the above and found this:
    http://www.thejournal.ie/automated-calls-regarding-abortion-resume-reports-685828-Nov2012/
    Image: spinetta via Creative Commons/Flickr
    EARLIER TODAY THE Data Protection Commissioner identified the service provider for a number which has been used to make automated calls to Irish households about the country’s laws on abortion in the past 48 hours – and the number was subsequently shut down.
    However, this evening, further reports of the pre-recorded message being circulated via unsolicited phonecalls have resumed.
    Readers of TheJournal.ie and users of social media have reported receiving the message, which says that Irish doctors do not put mothers’ lives at risk and are always obliged to intervene to save the woman’s life even if that results in the unfortunate death of an unborn child.
    The watchdog confirmed that it had received 30 complaints about the automated calls, and followed up the matter “as a matter of priority”.
    The Office of the Data Protection Commissioner has not been able to be reached for comment this evening.
    TheJournal.ie called the number quoted by those reporting the the cold-calls but reached only a dead line.

    That was from a month ago, so presumably they restarted it given Enda's speeches on the subject over the past few days


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,477 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Actually, I probably should have posted this in the general Abortion thread. No evidence that it's Youth Defence / Life Institute / any other organisation based at 60a Capel Street


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Looks like YD are breaking more rules. It's litter laws this time.
    http://www.krank.ie/category/snippet/those-foetuses-in-santa-hats/


    ...that really is a bizarre poster.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Penn wrote: »
    Actually, I probably should have posted this in the general Abortion thread. No evidence that it's Youth Defence / Life Institute / any other organisation based at 60a Capel Street

    If from a month ago, that was the call that mention Eamon O'Dwyer by name and quoted him as saying "abortion is never necessary to save a mother's life" and other bollix, so you were quite right since he was in PLAC (very much the same family as YD).

    That's why I'm wondering if the content of this call was different. The one the journal article (http://www.thejournal.ie/unsolicited-abortion-calls-684052-Nov2012/) was about is against the law, but I wonder have they got more clever (doubtful!).

    http://www.mcgarrsolicitors.ie/2012/11/21/how-and-why-to-complain-about-an-unwanted-political-automatic-phone-call/

    Comreg are taking it very seriously. Just follow their complaint section and phone them, if you have the time of call and phone number (they are shutting them down, and appreciate our help in getting the numbers - also, information on who answered the phone -could be a young child, woman who recently miscarried, etc)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...that really is a bizarre poster.

    It's them conferring personhood on embryos again.....this one popped out to write his Santy letter and grab a Santy hat. "Deeerr Satna, I woods lik a rite too life adn a xbox game plss"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Obliq wrote: »
    It's them conferring personhood on embryos again.....this one popped out to write his Santy letter and grab a Santy hat. "Deeerr Satna, I woods lik a rite too life adn a xbox game plss"

    What the F use would a newborn have for an xbox game?
    Everybody know babies are only interested in the Wii Wii.

    YD apparently think 'babies' emerge from the womb able to write (but not spell) , talk, walk, feed themselves and play with consoles :...in which case the lazy sods should get a job and buy their own damn xbox game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    What the F use would a newborn have for an xbox game?
    Everybody know babies are only interested in the Wii Wii.

    YD apparently think 'babies' emerge from the womb able to write (but not spell) , talk, walk, feed themselves and play with consoles :...in which case the lazy sods should get a job and buy their own damn xbox game.

    :D:D:D:D;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    What the F use would a newborn have for an xbox game?
    Everybody know babies are only interested in the Wii Wii.

    YD apparently think 'babies' emerge from the womb able to write (but not spell) , talk, walk, feed themselves and play with consoles :...in which case the lazy sods should get a job and buy their own damn xbox game.

    Especially the boys!


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