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€4 million to Uganda?

  • 25-10-2012 5:24pm
    #1
    lightspeed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭


    Just seen on Rte that Eamon Gilmore will not tolerate any misappropriation of revenue from the Irish payer ( Like we never heard that before :(),

    We give €32 million to Uganda alone and according to Rte theres a lot of speculation that a lot of goes on military equipment ( AK47s and Izuzu trucks and the like).

    Apparently, we have been given them aid for the past 20 years.

    Why?

    After 20 years and things are just as corrupt as ever. I dont understand it, we take in refugees to this country from places like Uganda, foot the bill for housing and welfare, and then we also give millions of euro to the Ugandan government as well?

    If the environment is still the same and corruption is still widespread,why are we still committing Irish tax payers money to countries like Uganda.

    If anybody wants to make the argument that there are poor hungry children struggling in a country with poor healthcare, please bear in mind we have that here in Ireland right now.


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  • #2
    tommyboy2222
    Closed Accounts Posts: 914 ✭✭✭tommyboy2222


    No it's ok!!.

    It was put into the Prince of Ugandas account. He'll clear this up!


  • #3
    1ZRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Why the feck do we bother? It's just going to go to the wrong people and help fvck all people but dictators and warmongers

    I'd sooner volunteer out there. At lest then I'd see with my own eyes that something positive actually got done.


  • #4
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    heroin production and the world economy questions
    >


  • #5
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    I was shocked to hear we gave so much to Uganda alone myself. Seems like an extortionate amount alright, especially if it's not known what they're doing with these funds.

    This country is almost bankrupt, yet we can still afford to send €33 million to another country for aid? Seems crazy to me.


  • #6
    wendell borton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,336 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    How much did idi get?


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  • #7
    Chinasea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    So the starving mother and baby are responsible for what their governments do.
    Like or loath it, our bail out is a handout


  • #8
    Tom_Cruise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Tom_Cruise


    The goverment has wasted billions over the years, i don't think another 32 million is anything to worry to much about.


  • #9
    King Of Wishful Thinking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 179 ✭✭King Of Wishful Thinking


    Tom_Cruise wrote: »
    The goverment has wasted billions over the years, i don't think another 32 million is anything to worry to much about.

    Uganda regret saying that.


  • #10
    Pottler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    It the waffly ones last ditch scheme to save the economy. The Ugandans promised to send 92 billion US dollars that are currently resting in a dormant account - they just needed another 4 million for lawyers fees to get the dosh released.


  • #11
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Chinasea wrote: »
    So the starving mother and baby are responsible for what their governments do.
    Like or loath it, our bail out is a handout

    But that 33 million should be going to feed the starving mother and child, not into private bank accounts or to fund arms. The aid should be appropriated correctly or stopped altogether.

    Also, our bailout is not a handout. We have to pay back that money with interest.


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  • #12
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    lightspeed wrote: »
    ..............
    After 20 years and things are just as corrupt as ever. I dont understand it, we take in refugees to this country from places like Uganda, foot the bill for housing and welfare, and then we also give millions of euro to the Ugandan government as well?

    ..............

    Is there a chart of places that are judged to be "like" each other, so I can see how this horrendous abuse takes place?


  • #13
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    lightspeed wrote: »
    Just seen on Rte that Eamon Gilmore will not tolerate any misappropriation of revenue from the Irish payer ( Like we never heard that before :(),

    We give €32 million to Uganda alone and according to Rte theres a lot of speculation that a lot of goes on military equipment ( AK47s and Izuzu trucks and the like).

    Apparently, we have been given them aid for the past 20 years.

    Why?

    Labour's way or Uganda's way............ yeah I heard that one before.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taPJ577NmBA


    Charity begins at home.
    Ps. thanks for the AK47's


  • #14
    Callan57
    Registered Users Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    Has GOAL's John O'Shea not been raising this issue for years?


  • #15
    Show Time
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Hopefully the exposing of this con will wake the rest of the nation up and stop people giving money to these third world countries.


  • #16
    Rented Mule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    Most of the money donated to foreign countries is spent within the host country. I can't speak for the money in this case though.


  • #17
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    €32m.... What a waste, sure we could have bought around 15 e-voting machines for that!


  • #18
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Considering we, as a nation, don't have a pot to piss in:

    Why are we giving any other country aid?

    Maybe I'll be lambasted for saying this but we need to get our own backyard in order before even contemplating helping any other nation.

    €32 million yet they are cutting anything and everything?

    Sense? I don't think so...


  • #19
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Chinasea wrote: »
    So the starving mother and baby are responsible for what their governments do.
    Like or loath it, our bail out is a handout

    That we have to pay back, while also borrowing (and paying interest on) any overseas aid we send.


  • #20
    Max Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Max Power


    Callan57 wrote: »
    Has GOAL's John O'Shea not been raising this issue for years?
    He has but Fergie got sick of hearing it and sold him to Sunderland.


  • #21
    Chinasea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭Chinasea


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    That we have to pay back, while also borrowing (and paying interest on) any overseas aid we send.


    we know that. BUT, but if they didn't where'd we get the money?


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  • #22
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    The move comes after a draft report by the Auditor General of Uganda found that €12m worth of aid from Ireland, Norway, Sweden and Denmark had been transferred to unauthorised accounts in the office of Ugandan Prime Minister Patrick Amama Mbabazi.

    And again the Irish citizen/taxpayer gets screwed. How many times can you screw the taxpayer ? just waiting for some other bomb-shell news report soon on the squandering of taxpayers money.

    In 24 hours it will all be forgotten again by the Irish people and government and this is why we need to get fluoride out of the water supply...it's making the Irish people stupid and forgettable. :D


  • #23
    planetX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭planetX


    Complete madness - what are we doing giving money to a country with a military spend of hundreds of millions?


  • #24
    Max Power
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭Max Power


    Uganda should be sending us aid.


  • #25
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    How much do we give the the rest of Africa Country by Country I'd like to know.


  • #26
    Shakti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Shakti


    the anglican church has the place ****ed


  • #27
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If I thought for a second that aid helped I'd be fine with this.


  • #28
    dan dan
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭dan dan


    I remember reading somewhere that we donate 700 Millions to others. It was 900 millions but we cut it. we are bold boys. This money is begged from the world banks at enormous interest.
    We are doing this for generations.


  • #29
    lightspeed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭lightspeed


    Nodin wrote: »
    Is there a chart of places that are judged to be "like" each other, so I can see how this horrendous abuse takes place?

    Well ill try and find what research i can to see the total annual aid budget but just a quick google on the issue, i came across this article in which it mentions that we have given €30 million to Somalia over the past 5 years.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-to-provide-e3-million-in-vital-aid-to-somalia-537025-Jul2012/

    Is there a possibility that Eamonn got scammed by the same Nigerian prime minister that emails me needing a bank account to rest his lottery winnings?

    All joking aside, why are these corrupt governments being entertained for so long?

    20 years of irish money along with plenty of other countries what actual difference has been made?
    The refugees are refigees due to famine, war and corruption. I always questioned what the benefit is in taking in small amounts of the population in countries like Uganda and Nigeria and importing them here but i assumed it was because there had been war and such in the past in these countries and they are now working to improve things, but this is just bollax and nonsense.

    There is no end in sight, so we just have to go with the assumption that until all developed countries are like third world countries, we will keep donating Irish money as irish citizens continue to struggle.

    The corrupt people and the dictators in these countries were just replaced with more dictators. I recall reading that according to the BBC, most of the money raised in the last live aid was spent on guns and munitions. I remember Bob Geldof disputed it but the BBC said they stood by their findings. Ill try and find that article if anybody is interested.


  • #30
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    dan dan wrote: »
    I remember reading somewhere that we donate 700 Millions to others. It was 900 millions but we cut it. we are bold boys. This money is begged from the world banks at enormous interest.
    We are doing this for generations.

    It's time it all stopped. When this country is financially stable once again, if ever, then donate some monies but donating money now with situations like this happening is just insane. This country is in a real mess and we send hundreds of millions out of this country, crazy. Some things just don't make sense.

    They say the auditor is trying to get the money back from the prime minister of Uganda LOL yeah right, they will never get it back.


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  • #31
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    lightspeed wrote: »
    ............
    The refugees are refigees due to famine, war and corruption. I always questioned what the benefit is in taking in small amounts of the population in countries like Uganda and Nigeria and importing them here but i assumed it was because there had been war and such in the past in these countries and they are now working to improve things, but this is just bollax and nonsense.

    .........

    They're taken in so they can have something resembling a normal life. We do so as we signed an addition to the Geneva convention way back in the 1950's and its part of our international obligation.


  • #32
    lightspeed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭lightspeed


    zenno wrote: »
    And again the Irish citizen/taxpayer gets screwed. How many times can you screw the taxpayer ? just waiting for some other bomb-shell news report soon on the squandering of taxpayers money.

    In 24 hours it will all be forgotten again by the Irish people and government and this is why we need to get fluoride out of the water supply...it's making the Irish people stupid and forgettable. :D

    That is the other infuriating thing, given the level of corruption in countries in Africa, how did he have access to transfer the money to begin with? Should he not have had to have been given authorisation from an Irish official each time he accessed this account?

    If such a transaction was authorised by the banks involved then surely there are a lot more questions to ask, like what actually happened to the money we have been given to Uganda in the past 20 years?


  • #33
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    lightspeed wrote: »
    That is the other infuriating thing, given the level of corruption in countries in Africa, how did he have access to transfer the money to begin with? Should he not have had to have been given authorisation from an Irish official each time he accessed this account?

    If such a transaction was authorised by the banks involved then surely there are a lot more questions to ask, like what actually happened to the money we have been given to Uganda in the past 20 years?

    That's why a lot more questions need to be asked in relation to this fraud.

    Some very good points made here in boards politics http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056774318


  • #34
    lightspeed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭lightspeed


    Nodin wrote: »
    They're taken in so they can have something resembling a normal life. We do so as we signed an addition to the Geneva convention way back in the 1950's and its part of our international obligation.

    Bollax, if they are not able to have a normal life back home then what is the point in given all the money that we give?

    And if they are, then why are we in a position where we are taking in refugees to provide refuge from said countries?

    Its not a racial issue for me its a logical one. We have not fixed the source of the problem, so until we do, its a waste of money, time and resources in takng in refugees from corrupt countries while at the same time fuelling and facilitating said corruption.

    Would you agree with bailing out our banks again even if you could be certain all the same corruption. would remain?

    If not then, how can you support given foreign aid to corrupt countries like Uganda.

    Under the current system ,
    We give large amounts of money to help people in African countries live a normal life.
    We also spend large amounts of money accomadating refugees as they cant have a normal life in their own country

    Do you see any holes to this logic?


  • #35
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    lightspeed wrote: »
    Bollax, if they are not able to have a normal life back home then what is the point in given all the money that we give?

    You'll find that handing over money to fix complex problems will not result in an instant fix.
    lightspeed wrote: »

    Its not a racial issue for me its a logical one. We have not fixed the source of the problem so until we do, its a waste of money, time and resources in takng in refugees from corrupt countries while at the same time fuelng and facilitating said corruption.



    Generally speaking, money goes to projects in those countries, not the state.


  • #36
    Show Time
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Hootanany wrote: »
    How much do we give the the rest of Africa Country by Country I'd like to know.
    Back in the old days kids use to have to bring a penny into school for the black babies and now they are all over here and still we are sending money out to them.

    Fcuking jokeshop.


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  • #37
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Nodin wrote: »





    Generally speaking, money goes to projects in those countries, not the state.

    Generally speaking I pay my taxes to benefit the country my family and I live in.........


  • #38
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Show Time wrote: »
    Back in the old days kids use to have to bring a penny into school for the black babies and now they are all over here and still we are sending money out to them.

    Fcuking jokeshop.

    No, I've no idea how accusations of racism always creep into these threads. It's a complete fucking mystery to me.


  • #39
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    mikom wrote: »
    Generally speaking I pay my taxes to benefit the country my family and I live in.........

    Then start a campaign to end donations.


  • #40
    bootybouncer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 495 ✭✭bootybouncer


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Considering we, as a nation, don't have a pot to piss in:

    Why are we giving any other country aid?

    Maybe I'll be lambasted for saying this but we need to get our own backyard in order before even contemplating helping any other nation.

    €32 million yet they are cutting anything and everything?

    Sense? I don't think so...

    Well said dude.................. the oul nigerians are getting enough as it is, a second kfc open in the oul blanchardstown centre and everything :eek:

    shakes fist at Uganda on his globe that sits on his ikea table


  • #41
    Show Time
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, I've no idea how accusations of racism always creep into these threads. It's a complete fucking mystery to me.
    Where in my post was there a racist comment???


    To the best of my knowledge most of the babies born in Africa are black.


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  • #42
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Show Time wrote: »

    To the best of my knowledge most of the babies born in Africa are black.

    I'm starting up a campaign to end that.


  • #43
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Show Time wrote: »
    Where in my post was there a racist comment???


    To the best of my knowledge most of the babies born in Africa are black.

    At least be honest about your views. It's quite clear where you're coming from.

    Back in the old days kids use to have to bring a penny into school for the black babies and now they are all over here and still we are sending money out to them.


  • #44
    Show Time
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Nodin wrote: »
    At least be honest about your views. It's quite clear where you're coming from.
    Yes they are over here now did i say if that was a good or a bad thing???


  • #45
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Show Time wrote: »
    Yes they are over here now

    "all" of them apparently, which came as a shock.
    Show Time wrote: »
    did i say if that was a good or a bad thing???

    Adding "fucking jokeshop" underlined the tone. Be honest, if nothing else.


  • #46
    Show Time
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Nodin wrote: »
    "all" of them apparently, which came as a shock.


    Adding "fucking jokeshop" underlined the tone. Be honest, if nothing else.
    I was referring to the Irish government sending out money that is the joke shop.:rolleyes:


  • #47
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Show Time wrote: »
    I was referring to the Irish government sending out money that is the joke shop.:rolleyes:


    Yeah, lets have a look at the full statement again....
    Back in the old days kids use to have to bring a penny into school for the black babies and now they are all over here and still we are sending money out to them.

    Fcuking jokeshop.

    ...pull the other one.


  • #48
    Show Time
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yeah, lets have a look at the full statement again....



    ...pull the other one.
    So are you accusing me of being a racist???


    Be careful now where you go with this one.


  • #49
    bootybouncer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 495 ✭✭bootybouncer


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yeah, lets have a look at the full statement again....



    ...pull the other one.

    nodin stop would ya........................everyone is sick of the racist statement being banded around...........people are at breaking point in this country, we all dont want to save the whales and build huts like your goodself


  • #50
    MaxSteele
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭MaxSteele


    You'd think after billions in aid, welfare and food programs, the recipients would at least have copped on how to grow spuds and move within a reasonable distance of a water well. "Jolani has to walk 9 miles each ...." Yeah we get it.:rolleyes:


  • #51
    Lone Stone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Lone Stone


    It's really sickening when i hear about these large sums of money being given out when things like home care and other services for the disabled and elderly are being cut :mad: That 4 mil alone would mean the home help services would not have had to been cut so severely (people getting 44 hours a month cut etc).


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