WWDC 12 - Announcements, Rumours and Everything Else

murpho999 · 11-06-2012 11:16pm

kaizersoze wrote: »

So nothin really for iPhone users this time around.
Well besides alot of talk about an update we won't be getting for 4 or 5 months.

Bloody hell you're negative. It's only about 3 months and if there's nothing in it for you then why are you worried or complaining about it?

banquo · 11-06-2012 11:47pm

Was it just me or was Tim Cook choking back the tears at the end?

Red Alert · 11-06-2012 11:55pm

I'm glad to see there's a global "off" switch for notifications. I can keep liking OS X

Inquitus · 11-06-2012 11:56pm

banquo wrote: »

Was it just me or was Tim Cook choking back the tears at the end?

I'd be crying if I had to stand up there and deliver that crock of shíte.

Nialloo24 · 12-06-2012 12:04am

Is there more to be announced throughout the week or is the rest of the week just showing off the new line up?!

Plowman · 12-06-2012 12:07am

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Duggys Housemate · 12-06-2012 12:07am

Inquitus wrote: »

I'd be crying if I had to stand up there and deliver that crock of shíte.

Lol, stuck on Android 2.3 are we? give it 2 years.

Duggys Housemate · 12-06-2012 12:08am

Nialloo24 wrote: »

Is there more to be announced throughout the week or is the rest of the week just showing off the new line up?!

The rest of the week is NDA. Sorry.

banquo · 12-06-2012 12:09am

Apple tv SDK in September then. Normal timing I guess for the apple tv, but you'd expect a new sdk to be announced at wwdc. Hmm.

Duggys Housemate · 12-06-2012 12:16am

there are hints in the api - with regard to how UI is laid out.

DubDJ · 12-06-2012 12:17am

banquo wrote: »

Apple tv SDK in September then. Normal timing I guess for the apple tv, but you'd expect a new sdk to be announced at wwdc. Hmm.

This was the longshot I was hoping for today. But never got introduced. But have to say i'm really impressed with the upgrades to both iOS and OS X. Both big and small. I'll be looking forward to getting my hands on them. New MacBooks are impressive too. Really would of liked to see an App store for the Apple TV. But yeah maybe September

kaizersoze · 12-06-2012 12:59am

120_Minutes wrote: »

What were you expecting?

iOS 6 today or even in the next few weeks and maybe something apple tv related.

murpho999 wrote: »

Bloody hell you're negative. It's only about 3 months and if there's nothing in it for you then why are you worried or complaining about it?

Sorry sir. Didn't think it sounded like a complaint. Just stating the obvious.
The OSX upgrade is nice but the introduction of a 2.5k laptop doesn't do much for me or most others I'd say.
Where are you gettin 3 months from? No real mention of timeframe for iOS 6 only 'this fall'. That'll be at least October and possibly pushed out even more.

miralize · 12-06-2012 1:01am

iOS releases need time for developers to get ready ffs. No need to be so impatient. It'll arrive soon enough. If you're dying for it you can download the beta... although i wouldnt recommend it

Duggys Housemate · 12-06-2012 1:07am

kaizersoze wrote: »

120_Minutes wrote: »

What were you expecting?

iOS 6 today or even in the next few weeks and maybe something apple tv related.

murpho999 wrote: »

Bloody hell you're negative. It's only about 3 months and if there's nothing in it for you then why are you worried or complaining about it?

Sorry sir. Didn't think it sounded like a complaint. Just stating the obvious.
The OSX upgrade is nice but the introduction of a 2.5k laptop doesn't do much for me or most others I'd say.
Where are you gettin 3 months from? No real mention of timeframe for iOS 6 only 'this fall'. That'll be at least October and possibly pushed out even more.

Why pushed out more, last year iOS 5 was released on Oct 12th. iOS 6 has less fiddly bits, like iCloud so I expect it sooner.

Duggys Housemate · 12-06-2012 1:09am

miralize wrote: »

iOS releases need time for developers to get ready ffs. No need to be so impatient. It'll arrive soon enough. If you're dying for it you can download the beta... although i wouldnt recommend it

I tend to download the beta to my iPad, which, if bricked would no be as big a deal as a bricked phone.

Sad Professor · 12-06-2012 1:10am

iOS 6 will be released at the same time as the iPhone 5. So definitely not any later than October.

banquo · 12-06-2012 3:34am

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

there are hints in the api - with regard to how UI is laid out.

O rly? Do go on...

Stuxnet · 12-06-2012 8:05am

for those bitching about the wait for ios 6, apple are again just taking the best features jailbreakers all ready have, you can haz them now ! obviously wont be as polished as apple's take when they come out, but some good tweaks there

http://lifehacker.com/5917490/how-to-get-the-best-features-of-ios-6-right-now

Luckycharms_74 · 12-06-2012 9:20am

OK so I missed the keynote speech yesterday. I have tried iTunes for it but its not there yet. Anywhere else I can watch again ??

Sad Professor · 12-06-2012 9:24am

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

OK so I missed the keynote speech yesterday. I have tried iTunes for it but its not there yet. Anywhere else I can watch again ??

http://www.apple.com/apple-events/june-2012/

kaizersoze · 12-06-2012 9:49am

miralize wrote: »

iOS releases need time for developers to get ready ffs. No need to be so impatient. It'll arrive soon enough. If you're dying for it you can download the beta... although i wouldnt recommend it

I realise that ffs:p. My point was, there was nothing yesterday except a pricey laptop and an update thats at least 4 months away. They may as well have announced the new iPhone and be done with it.:)

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Why pushed out more, last year iOS 5 was released on Oct 12th. iOS 6 has less fiddly bits, like iCloud so I expect it sooner.

Because it's release will coincide with the new iPhone and god knows what might delay that.

Duggys Housemate · 12-06-2012 9:53am

kaizersoze wrote: »

I realise that ffs:p. My point was, there was nothing yesterday except a pricey laptop and an update thats at least 4 months away. They may as well have announced the new iPhone and be done with it.:)

But you don't seem to realise that yesterday's meet was a dev conference, not a Release Event conference like the first iPod event. So you cant expect a release of the OS, it needs to get dev working on it. They need dev feedback on bugs etc. Thats been the way for years - prior to the iPhone it was the OS X, although OS X tended to have a longer cycle.

Because it's release will coincide with the new iPhone and god knows what might delay that.

It doesn't have to - that has just historically been the case. If the iPhone is delayed until next year they won't delay the release of the OS.

Mimikyu · 12-06-2012 9:57am

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Duggys Housemate · 12-06-2012 11:55am

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

there are hints in the api - with regard to how UI is laid out.

No huge smoking gun, but they have added constraints to the UI. This is in OS X for a long time and is a way of not hardcoding a UI element to the screen, but to other UI elements. So a button can stay the same distance from another button as a window resizes, only useful if things move about a lot.

Sad Professor · 12-06-2012 12:38pm

I just noticed on the Apple site that there will be an option in iOS 6 to go to fullscreen in Safari while in landscape mode. This is very interesting as one of the disadvantages of a 16:9 iPhone is that websites would be less visible in landscape mode.

copacetic · 12-06-2012 6:48pm

Nice list of a few smaller ios6 features.
http://gizmodo.com/5917762/the-best-ios-6-features-nobody-is-talking-about

At last a custom dictionary, and cloud based too so will work for all your apply devices.
This and the custom sigs per account, phone reject options and do not disturbs are all nice new things.

I'd still like to see more custom controls on push and fetch email settings around business hours v out of hours, but possibly can adapt the do not disturb and white list settings to do something similar.

Anyone found a high res pic of the big graphics from keynote with the list of all the new features in a cloud?

Mimikyu · 12-06-2012 7:44pm

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miralize · 12-06-2012 7:50pm

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You are able to do that in iOS6. And you've always been able to access the Photostream from iOS?

Sad Professor · 12-06-2012 8:41pm

Looks like we can wave goodbye to anything approaching a consistent UI in iOS 6. I've been looking at the screenshots and the UI changes are very inconsistent. Apple may improve things before release, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Their software always starts out looking beautiful and consistent and then then takes a massive jump off a cliff. It was the same with Mac OS X, which had a very consistent Aqua UI until 10.3 when Apple introduced brushed metal in a few places and the UI never recovered. It's amazing the incredible level of design detail Apple's hardware has and yet they seemingly can't do the same for their software.

Mimikyu · 12-06-2012 8:47pm

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Oafley Jones · 12-06-2012 9:31pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

It's amazing the incredible level of design detail Apple's hardware has and yet they seemingly can't do the same for their software.

Found Ive's reaction to this in a recent Telegraph interview fairly interesting...

That simplicity in the hardware has not always been matched in the software, which since the rise of iOS - the operating system for iPad, iPhone and iPod touch - has been marked by something known as skeuomorphism, a tendency for new designs to retain ornamental features of the old design. Thus the calendar in Apple's Macs and on iOS has fake leather texture and even fake stitching.

When I mention the fake stitching, Ive offers a wince but it's a gesture of sympathy rather than a suggestion that he dislikes such things. At least, that's how I read it. He refuses to be drawn on the matter, offering a diplomatic reply: "My focus is very much working with the other teams on the product ideas and then developing the hardware and so that's our focus and that's our responsibility. In terms of those elements you're talking about, I'm not really connected to that."

mad muffin · 12-06-2012 9:34pm

Yeah, iOS 6 is starting to look like a very ugly patchwork quilte.

Duggys Housemate · 12-06-2012 9:43pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Found Ive's reaction to this in a recent Telegraph interview fairly interesting...

That simplicity in the hardware has not always been matched in the software, which since the rise of iOS - the operating system for iPad, iPhone and iPod touch - has been marked by something known as skeuomorphism, a tendency for new designs to retain ornamental features of the old design. Thus the calendar in Apple's Macs and on iOS has fake leather texture and even fake stitching.

When I mention the fake stitching, Ive offers a wince but it's a gesture of sympathy rather than a suggestion that he dislikes such things. At least, that's how I read it. He refuses to be drawn on the matter, offering a diplomatic reply: "My focus is very much working with the other teams on the product ideas and then developing the hardware and so that's our focus and that's our responsibility. In terms of those elements you're talking about, I'm not really connected to that."

Yes, but.... as long as he system apps are the same, and look similar, a maps app, or a calendar app can do what they want. After all 3rd party apps will do that.

Sad Professor · 12-06-2012 9:51pm

Calendar/iCal is a system app, not a third party app.

The iOS 5 Music app for iPad looks almost as bad as it is to use. I was hoping Apple would change it for iOS 6, but instead they are giving the iPhone version the same treatment as well.

DubDJ · 13-06-2012 1:43am

Anyone using iOS 6 beta? How is it running on the iPad and iPhone. Any glitches, problems you've experienced?

Same with the latest beta of Mountain Lion that was released yesterday. I'm guessing it's basically working like it should since it's the last version before the GM seed.

crazyderk · 13-06-2012 8:14am

iPhone 4 not getting turn by turn navigation or face-time over 3g

There's gonna be a whole load of pissed off iPhone 4 customers

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/12/new-features-in-ios-6-receive-spotty-support-from-older-devices/

I've a 4s and the new ipad so it doesn't affect me but that's pissed me off! there's no reason why the 4 shouldn't get turn by turn navigation or facetime over 3g

boreder · 13-06-2012 8:22am

DubDJ wrote: »

Anyone using iOS 6 beta? How is it running on the iPad and iPhone. Any glitches, problems you've experienced?

Same with the latest beta of Mountain Lion that was released yesterday. I'm guessing it's basically working like it should since it's the last version before the GM seed.

I'm using the ios6 beta since release and not noticed a single problem/glitch yet.

It looks a lot fresher and I've not noticed any slow down.

mad muffin · 13-06-2012 10:40am

crazyderk wrote: »

iPhone 4 not getting turn by turn navigation or face-time over 3g

There's gonna be a whole load of pissed off iPhone 4 customers

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/12/new-features-in-ios-6-receive-spotty-support-from-older-devices/

I've a 4s and the new ipad so it doesn't affect me but that's pissed me off! there's no reason why the 4 shouldn't get turn by turn navigation or facetime over 3g

My wife and I both have the iPhone 4. We couldn't give a rats about turn by turn navigation that can't be used offline.

3G reception out side major towns isnt exactly reliable.

Besides we already have a dedicated offline navigation app on our phone.

DubDJ · 13-06-2012 11:57am

boreder wrote: »

I'm using the ios6 beta since release and not noticed a single problem/glitch yet.

It looks a lot fresher and I've not noticed any slow down.

Glad to hear it. I remember I tried iOS 5 beta and eventually had to downgrade. I don't think there are as many big features packed into this version so probably makes it a lot more stable for testing. Hoping it's gonna be smoother in the iPhone. The iPad has never been a problem but my iPhone is a tiny bit laggy. I'll be getting the next gen iPhone so I'm hoping iOS 6 will work brilliantly on it.

kaizersoze · 13-06-2012 12:59pm

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-wwdc-keynote-in-60-seconds-2012-6#ooid=t3cTYxNTomEMHlZdAWsWABGfT1SH7m7E

TBi · 13-06-2012 1:53pm

Sad Professor wrote: »

Calendar/iCal is a system app, not a third party app.

The iOS 5 Music app for iPad looks almost as bad as it is to use. I was hoping Apple would change it for iOS 6, but instead they are giving the iPhone version the same treatment as well.

I never understood why they changed the music app on the iPad. The original version was far superior.

As for consistency, that's something you have to commend Microsoft for in WP7. Every system app is as consistent as can be.

EDIT: Although i think pure ICS is pretty consistent too (i don't want to be taken as a fan boy).

Eire Go Brach · 13-06-2012 2:30pm

boreder wrote: »

I'm using the ios6 beta since release and not noticed a single problem/glitch yet.

It looks a lot fresher and I've not noticed any slow down.

I found Quite a few. It was not as smooth. Auto brightness had a mind of its own. So turned it off. Music app was quite buggy. Hit the sleep button and music stopped.

Overall it ok. But I downgraded as I'm off to Poland. And need a stable phone

miralize · 13-06-2012 4:59pm

I'm using ios6 too.

* Some lag on Music.app
* Cant access the irish app store at all
* Sparrow Mail has a weird width bug
* The phone keeps turning of iTunes in the Cloud for me, forcing me to redownload music

Everything else is fine

Duggys Housemate · 13-06-2012 5:36pm

I am using iOS 6, on an iPad.

Seems faster, and I don't think this is placebo.
Siri works, but I don't really care. Cant look for restaurants in Ireland. Hopefully that will come and make siri useful. Still though, if typing is faster, I will type.
Maps is at the moment, a regression. Obviously they can't have street view unless they send cars all over the world like Google. The info is much more limited than google maps, but I imagine that is a matter of getting more info from Yelp which does have a lot of data - and that will help siri too. I cant see the flyover option, and the 3D stuff works in and around San Francisco but not so much elsewhere. However this data is out there, and they have it so I look for it to come online over the next fee months. More worrying is that the map looks, well worse, that google maps in its standard view. It is barely populated, and the colour scheme seems odd, everything blends into everything else, lots of missing buildings.

Very stable, though.

DubDJ · 14-06-2012 10:04am

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

I am using iOS 6, on an iPad.

Seems faster, and I don't think this is placebo.
Siri works, but I don't really care. Cant look for restaurants in Ireland. Hopefully that will come and make siri useful. Still though, if typing is faster, I will type.
Maps is at the moment, a regression. Obviously they can't have street view unless they send cars all over the world like Google. The info is much more limited than google maps, but I imagine that is a matter of getting more info from Yelp which does have a lot of data - and that will help siri too. I cant see the flyover option, and the 3D stuff works in and around San Francisco but not so much elsewhere. However this data is out there, and they have it so I look for it to come online over the next fee months. More worrying is that the map looks, well worse, that google maps in its standard view. It is barely populated, and the colour scheme seems odd, everything blends into everything else, lots of missing buildings.

Very stable, though.

Thanks, you've covered a good few of my questions. I was worried about how the maps app works in Ireland. All I can hope is that Google get a maps app out for iOS. I knew they wouldn't have any features for Ireland. The loss of street view is a negative from the start. The fact that were just stuck with 2D maps with no info in Ireland is ****. And no even 3D flyover.

I was wondering whether Siri would get any better in Ireland in regards to info but obviously not. But still the extra features and being able to launch apps is a plus. Hope they put effort into the maps and add more content for smaller countries like ourselves.

Duggys Housemate · 14-06-2012 10:06am

DubDJ wrote: »

Thanks, you've covered a good few of my questions. I was worried about how the maps app works in Ireland. All I can hope is that Google get a maps app out for iOS. I knew they wouldn't have any features for Ireland. The loss of street view is a negative from the start. The fact that were just stuck with 2D maps with no info in Ireland is ****. And no even 3D flyover.

I was wondering whether Siri would get any better in Ireland in regards to info but obviously not. But still the extra features and being able to launch apps is a plus. Hope they put effort into the maps and add more content for smaller countries like ourselves.

They cant really - I hope - not roll this out to all countries where google maps works with street view - which 3D is replacing. Apple needs to use those billions in the banks to get this information. At least get major cities.

on the plus side where it works it looks great. I flew over Chicago yesterday. Also it does have 3D mountains in ireland..

silvine · 14-06-2012 2:01pm

The iOS 5 google maps app doesn't do street view on my iPhone 4.

seamus · 14-06-2012 2:10pm

silvine wrote: »

The iOS 5 google maps app doesn't do street view on my iPhone 4.

Works fine on mine:

copacetic · 14-06-2012 2:17pm

silvine wrote: »

The iOS 5 google maps app doesn't do street view on my iPhone 4.

Worked fine on mine too, you have to drop a pin.

squonk · 14-06-2012 2:53pm

I'm hoping the maps improve myself. For me, not having SteetView integrated is a step backward. As I see it, 3D flyover is fun but StreetView is useful. They really have to make a Google effort and do their own street view as well. There is a lot to be said for looking at a locality on StreetView before you go there, just to recognise landmarks etc.

I'm not mad about the new Airport Express either. It seems like a lazy design (let's just cram the stuff into an ATV-like case and paint it white). The last express was nice in that it would plug directly in without cables. That's not there anymore.

I was initially excited about the retina MacBook but not so much now. Having to future proof/spec a pro machine at purchase isn't on. There's also nothing to say that 3-4 years down the line the chipset wouldn't happilly support 32Gb ram, or at least 24 and that'd be a bummer for customers looking to prolong their machine's life. Good luck to you if it drops after 3 years and the screen goes bang. They need to pay more attention to their Pro community. They'll still have them long after the fickle phone and tablet crowd have bailed.

The new smart case is looking pretty bad too. Steve isn't dead a year and they're already starting to let the side down.

WWDC 12 - Announcements, Rumours and Everything Else

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