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Confederate Flag

  • 22-07-2011 4:58pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭h57xiucj2z946q


    Seen this is a chipper in Athlone. Wonder would some people from the states find this offensive here?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,137 ✭✭✭Balfie


    sure they are all hill billys down there anyways..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭Superbus


    Why would people from the states be in a chipper in Athlone?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭Namlub


    Bet their food is pretty offensive too...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Hmm. Fried chicken + the flag...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭h57xiucj2z946q


    Superbus wrote: »
    Why would people from the states be in a chipper in Athlone?


    Well if people from states are visiting/living in Athlone, there is as good a chance as any that they will be eating in a chipper in Athlone, no?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    I live in the US but I'm not an american.

    Would they find it offensive? It depends on the context. If its just part of an americana type scheme I doubt it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭Guill


    Suthern fry chick, like ma Pappy used to make.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭Mr. Denton


    Hardly considering it's not even drawn correctly (it doesn't have the white piping between the red and blue)


  • Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭joshrogan


    Southern fried chicken, the flag is a symbol for southern America. /thread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭rockmongrel


    The South shall boogie again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 785 ✭✭✭ILikeBananas


    Seen this is a chipper in Athlone. Wonder would some people from the states find this offensive here?

    Is this a joke op because if not then the idea that people would be offended by this is political correctness gone mad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    joshrogan wrote: »
    Southern fried chicken, the flag is a symbol for southern America. /thread

    A pre-civil war symbol from the slave owning south.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Is this a joke op because if not then the idea that people would be offended by this is political correctness gone mad.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 393 ✭✭sherdydan


    Seen this is a chipper in Athlone. Wonder would some people from the states find this offensive here?

    back to marios!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭CardBordWindow


    I'm hungry!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Is this a joke op because if not then the idea that people would be offended by this is political correctness gone mad.

    Well put it this way. It would be the equivalent of you walking into a bar in Boston and finding it decorated with Unionist banners, and banners proclaiming the superiority of protestants.

    Would you feel comfortable walking up to the bar with a King Billy Forever banner in front of you?

    Possibly. Maybe your thirst trumps such triviality. But one can put that kind of thing aside right?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Well put it this way. It would be the equivalent of you walking into a bar in Boston and finding it decorated with Unionist banners, and banners proclaiming the superiority of protestants.

    Would you feel comfortable walking up to the bar with a King Billy Forever banner in front of you?

    Possibly. Maybe your thirst trumps such triviality. But one can put that kind of thing aside right?

    If they were serving unionist food then no, but its not the equivalent at all though is it? There is nothing decorated with superiority of anyone, its a chicken box FFS.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    People drive around with it on their trucks over there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭johnmcdnl


    if they find it offensive tell them to feck off because their PC pricks..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    RichieC wrote: »
    People drive around with it on their trucks over there.
    Its their national backdrop.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭PARKHEAD67


    Is this a joke op because if not then the idea that people would be offended by this is political correctness gone mad.
    Well,Rangers fans get very offended when Celtic fans wave tricolours.Then again, I suppose theyre permanently raging at something or the other.(Once its Irish or Catholic, but especially both);)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 464 ✭✭Knight who says Meh


    Whoops... wrong thread...Howd that happen.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 217 ✭✭Cameron Poe


    PARKHEAD67 wrote: »
    Well,Rangers fans get very offended when Celtic fans wave tricolours.Then again, I suppose theyre permanently raging at something or the other.(Once its Irish or Catholic, but especially both);)

    I'm Irish (Catholic descent) and I find Celtic fans waving Irish flags fairly annoying too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭im invisible


    the question is, would a black americian find it offensive?

    im sure there'd be some conflicted feelings going on anyway...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    RichieC wrote: »
    People drive around with it on their trucks over there.

    And cars.:D

    http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/dodge/527646.jpg


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭knird evol


    As if they'd allow any low down Yankee thrash in the front door.

    If any yankee takes offence they can have a pistol dual in the main street.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    Seen this is a chipper in Athlone. Wonder would some people from the states find this offensive here?

    If they can accept the flag of the United States, I'm sure that if they were being morally consistent on the issue of flags they can have few problems with the Confederate flag.

    It's not like the ineffably barbarous massacres of the native Americans in the late 19th century were not done under the United States flag, or that the internment of almost 300,000 people in concentration camps in the Philippines was not done under the same flag. This list could go on, but I think the point is made.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    joshrogan wrote: »
    Southern fried chicken, the flag is a symbol for southern America. /thread

    Em, for a certain segment of southern America.
    RichieC wrote: »
    People Rednecks and hillbillies drive around with it on their trucks over there.

    FYP.
    Dionysus wrote: »
    If they can accept the flag of the United States, I'm sure that if they were being morally consistent on the issue of flags they can have few problems with the Confederate flag.

    It's not like the ineffably barbarous massacres of the native Americans in the late 19th century were not done under the United States flag, or that the internment of almost 300,000 people in concentration camps in the Philippines was not done under the same flag. This list could go on, but I think the point is made.

    The Confederate Flag began as a symbol of treason and evolved as a symbol of defiance of the federal government's attempts to impose civil rights laws on the region. So it is consistent to have problems with the confederate flag and your point isn't made.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    the question is, would a black americian find it offensive?

    im sure there'd be some conflicted feelings going on anyway...

    Speaking as a member of the tribe, I'd be more confused by it than anything else.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    I'm Irish (Catholic descent) and I find Celtic fans waving Irish flags fairly annoying too.

    That represents a failure of the British state to stand up to Protestant dominance and create a more inclusive society in that part of their state. Had the political class the courage to tackle that earlier this issue would not exist today. Simple as.

    PS: I agree with you in a sense: I find if these so-called Irish in Scotland were really Irish they wouldn't be well, how do I put it, supporting the garrison game of all games. Likewise for the so-called Irish republicans in Ireland. What sort of Irish "freedom" do these people want? Its clearly not cultural. Not a popular view in Afterhours but hey, are we really here to be thanks whores? :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    That's not the Confederate Flag.

    Jusy sayin'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭Absurdum


    would a carton of Um Bongo offend someone from da Congo?

    so many questions, such little time :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Dionysus wrote: »
    It didn't. That's the Yankee take on it. The real "treason" was the conquest of the south by the industrialised north which wanted cheap raw materials and labour, and used "emancipation" as the moral weapon to beat the south with in order to achieve this very rational economic aim.

    The hell?

    Did you go to the Jefferson Davis School of Revisionist American History or something? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Get off the fcuking stage

    its a box which contains food

    nice food


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    The Confederate Flag began as a symbol of treason and evolved as a symbol of defiance of the federal government's attempts to impose civil rights laws on the region. So it is consistent to have problems with the confederate flag and your point isn't made.

    It didn't. That's the Yankee take on it. The real "treason" was the conquest of the south by the industrialised north which wanted cheap raw materials and labour, and used "emancipation" as the moral weapon to beat the south with in order to achieve this very rational economic aim.

    The pity is that some nationalistically-minded US citizens today would like to ignore this historical reality and portray the entire US Civil War as a moral crusade. Self-serving horseshíte of the highest order. The genuine "abolitionists" were a minority on the Yankee side. The institution of slavery was an economic impediment to the economic advance of the northern states.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Dionysus wrote: »
    It didn't. That's the Yankee take on it. The real "treason" was the conquest of the south by the industrialised north which wanted cheap raw materials and labour, and used "emancipation" as the moral weapon to beat the south with in order to achieve this very rational economic aim.

    The pity is that some nationalistically-minded US citizens today would like to ignore this historical reality and portray the entire US Civil War as a moral crusade. Self-serving horseshíte of the highest order. The genuine "abolitionists" were a minority on the Yankee side.

    Can't argue with that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    The hell?

    Did you go to the Jefferson Davis School of Revisionist American History or something? :confused:

    Now, now. Can you debate this rationally or are you just going to fall into some moronic stereotype that the US Civil War was all about "freeing the slaves". :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    The hell?

    Did you go to the Jefferson Davis School of Revisionist American History or something? :confused:

    The freeing of slaves only applied to slaves in the South, and was used as a method to bolster the number of men at arms...slaves willing to fight for the North were offered freedom.

    Lincoln adopted the policy to keep the states who were loyal to the Union but still big on slavery happy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Dionysus wrote: »
    Now, now. Can you debate this rationally or are you just going to fall into some moronic stereotype that the US Civil War was all about "freeing the slaves". :rolleyes:

    They need to do their homework on this

    its the modern day "axis of evil"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Dionysus wrote: »
    It didn't. That's the Yankee take on it. The real "treason" was the conquest of the south by the industrialised north which wanted cheap raw materials and labour, and used "emancipation" as the moral weapon to beat the south with in order to achieve this very rational economic aim.

    The pity is that some nationalistically-minded US citizens today would like to ignore this historical reality and portray the entire US Civil War as a moral crusade. Self-serving horseshíte of the highest order. The genuine "abolitionists" were a minority on the Yankee side. The institution of slavery was an economic impediment to the economic advance of the northern states.

    Nobody said anything about a moral crusade. But the decision to secede was an act of treason.

    Let's not pretend for one second that the Confederate Flag is anything other than a symbol of intransigence.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Dionysus wrote: »
    Now, now. Can you debate this rationally or are you just going to fall into some moronic stereotype that the US Civil War was all about "freeing the slaves". :rolleyes:

    It was about preventing the secession of the Confederate states. There was considerable anti-slavery sentiment in the North, but that wasn't the reason that war broke out. However, as the war progressed, it became more and more apparent that slavery was the crux of the issue, and no peace could be countenanced unless it was entirely extirpated in all the states. You're correct in stating that it wasn't a moral crusade (although there was an element of this, even within Lincoln's cabinet), but neither was it an aggressive attempt on the part of the North to extend an economic hegemony over the South.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    If they were serving unionist food then no, but its not the equivalent at all though is it? There is nothing decorated with superiority of anyone, its a chicken box FFS.

    The flag is a white supremacist flag.

    Its not even a valid flag of anywhere anymore.

    And remember the question wasnt whether irish people with no knowledge of US history would be offended, the question was whether any Americans would find it offensive.

    But anyway I originally answered that it depended on the context but probably not, They'd be curious certainly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Let's not pretend for one second that the Confederate Flag is anything other than a symbol of intransigence.

    Maybe, but the flag on those boxes is not the Confederate Flag.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Maybe, but the flag on those boxes is not the Confederate Flag.

    It's a Southern Fried Chicken box, and they forgot to put the white strips on.

    Do you really think it is meant to be something else?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    If they were serving unionist food then no, but its not the equivalent at all though is it? There is nothing decorated with superiority of anyone, its a chicken box FFS.
    wth is unionist food?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    It's a Southern Fried Chicken box, and they forgot to put the white strips on.

    Do you really think it is meant to be something else?

    Well, given the amount of people in this thread who think it's the Confederate Flag, and the amount of people all over the South who think it's the Confederate flag and hell....even people in Hollywood who will make movies and such with big research budgets and even THEY will think it's the Confederate Flag...i think we need to leave room for the fact that someone googled Southern, found a flag and used in their graphic design and didn't have a freaking clue what it was.

    I doubt the chipper is trying to spread a lust for secession via the medium of chicken legs. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭Namlub


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    wth is unionist food?

    Potato farls?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    It's a Southern Fried Chicken box, and they forgot to put the white strips on.

    Do you really think it is meant to be something else?

    To be fair, I doubt they put too much thought into it. Probably think- SF Chicken = deep South, Confederate flag = deep South. I tend not to get insulted about things unless offence is intended, and I doubt it is in this situation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    wth is unionist food?

    This.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭Mr. Denton



    Or a nice big bowl of this.


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