Confederate Flag

Logical Fallacy · 22-07-2011 7:40pm

That's not the Confederate Flag.

Jusy sayin'.

Absurdum · 22-07-2011 7:40pm

would a carton of Um Bongo offend someone from da Congo?

so many questions, such little time

southsiderosie · 22-07-2011 7:43pm

Dionysus wrote: »

It didn't. That's the Yankee take on it. The real "treason" was the conquest of the south by the industrialised north which wanted cheap raw materials and labour, and used "emancipation" as the moral weapon to beat the south with in order to achieve this very rational economic aim.

The hell?

Did you go to the Jefferson Davis School of Revisionist American History or something?

SEPT 23 1989 · 22-07-2011 7:44pm

Get off the fcuking stage

its a box which contains food

nice food

Dionysus · 22-07-2011 7:45pm

southsiderosie wrote: »

The Confederate Flag began as a symbol of treason and evolved as a symbol of defiance of the federal government's attempts to impose civil rights laws on the region. So it is consistent to have problems with the confederate flag and your point isn't made.

It didn't. That's the Yankee take on it. The real "treason" was the conquest of the south by the industrialised north which wanted cheap raw materials and labour, and used "emancipation" as the moral weapon to beat the south with in order to achieve this very rational economic aim.

The pity is that some nationalistically-minded US citizens today would like to ignore this historical reality and portray the entire US Civil War as a moral crusade. Self-serving horseshíte of the highest order. The genuine "abolitionists" were a minority on the Yankee side. The institution of slavery was an economic impediment to the economic advance of the northern states.

SEPT 23 1989 · 22-07-2011 7:46pm

Dionysus wrote: »

It didn't. That's the Yankee take on it. The real "treason" was the conquest of the south by the industrialised north which wanted cheap raw materials and labour, and used "emancipation" as the moral weapon to beat the south with in order to achieve this very rational economic aim.

The pity is that some nationalistically-minded US citizens today would like to ignore this historical reality and portray the entire US Civil War as a moral crusade. Self-serving horseshíte of the highest order. The genuine "abolitionists" were a minority on the Yankee side.

Can't argue with that

Dionysus · 22-07-2011 7:48pm

southsiderosie wrote: »

The hell?

Did you go to the Jefferson Davis School of Revisionist American History or something?

Now, now. Can you debate this rationally or are you just going to fall into some moronic stereotype that the US Civil War was all about "freeing the slaves". :rolleyes:

Logical Fallacy · 22-07-2011 7:49pm

southsiderosie wrote: »

The hell?

Did you go to the Jefferson Davis School of Revisionist American History or something?

The freeing of slaves only applied to slaves in the South, and was used as a method to bolster the number of men at arms...slaves willing to fight for the North were offered freedom.

Lincoln adopted the policy to keep the states who were loyal to the Union but still big on slavery happy.

SEPT 23 1989 · 22-07-2011 7:53pm

Dionysus wrote: »

Now, now. Can you debate this rationally or are you just going to fall into some moronic stereotype that the US Civil War was all about "freeing the slaves". :rolleyes:

They need to do their homework on this

its the modern day "axis of evil"

southsiderosie · 22-07-2011 7:53pm

Dionysus wrote: »

It didn't. That's the Yankee take on it. The real "treason" was the conquest of the south by the industrialised north which wanted cheap raw materials and labour, and used "emancipation" as the moral weapon to beat the south with in order to achieve this very rational economic aim.

The pity is that some nationalistically-minded US citizens today would like to ignore this historical reality and portray the entire US Civil War as a moral crusade. Self-serving horseshíte of the highest order. The genuine "abolitionists" were a minority on the Yankee side. The institution of slavery was an economic impediment to the economic advance of the northern states.

Nobody said anything about a moral crusade. But the decision to secede was an act of treason.

Let's not pretend for one second that the Confederate Flag is anything other than a symbol of intransigence.

Einhard · 22-07-2011 7:56pm

Dionysus wrote: »

Now, now. Can you debate this rationally or are you just going to fall into some moronic stereotype that the US Civil War was all about "freeing the slaves". :rolleyes:

It was about preventing the secession of the Confederate states. There was considerable anti-slavery sentiment in the North, but that wasn't the reason that war broke out. However, as the war progressed, it became more and more apparent that slavery was the crux of the issue, and no peace could be countenanced unless it was entirely extirpated in all the states. You're correct in stating that it wasn't a moral crusade (although there was an element of this, even within Lincoln's cabinet), but neither was it an aggressive attempt on the part of the North to extend an economic hegemony over the South.

InTheTrees · 22-07-2011 7:57pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

If they were serving unionist food then no, but its not the equivalent at all though is it? There is nothing decorated with superiority of anyone, its a chicken box FFS.

The flag is a white supremacist flag.

Its not even a valid flag of anywhere anymore.

And remember the question wasnt whether irish people with no knowledge of US history would be offended, the question was whether any Americans would find it offensive.

But anyway I originally answered that it depended on the context but probably not, They'd be curious certainly.

Logical Fallacy · 22-07-2011 7:57pm

southsiderosie wrote: »

Let's not pretend for one second that the Confederate Flag is anything other than a symbol of intransigence.

Maybe, but the flag on those boxes is not the Confederate Flag.

southsiderosie · 22-07-2011 8:00pm

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Maybe, but the flag on those boxes is not the Confederate Flag.

It's a Southern Fried Chicken box, and they forgot to put the white strips on.

Do you really think it is meant to be something else?

Wolfe Tone · 22-07-2011 8:02pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

If they were serving unionist food then no, but its not the equivalent at all though is it? There is nothing decorated with superiority of anyone, its a chicken box FFS.

wth is unionist food?

Logical Fallacy · 22-07-2011 8:04pm

southsiderosie wrote: »

It's a Southern Fried Chicken box, and they forgot to put the white strips on.

Do you really think it is meant to be something else?

Well, given the amount of people in this thread who think it's the Confederate Flag, and the amount of people all over the South who think it's the Confederate flag and hell....even people in Hollywood who will make movies and such with big research budgets and even THEY will think it's the Confederate Flag...i think we need to leave room for the fact that someone googled Southern, found a flag and used in their graphic design and didn't have a freaking clue what it was.

I doubt the chipper is trying to spread a lust for secession via the medium of chicken legs.

Namlub · 22-07-2011 8:05pm

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

wth is unionist food?

Potato farls?

Einhard · 22-07-2011 8:06pm

southsiderosie wrote: »

It's a Southern Fried Chicken box, and they forgot to put the white strips on.

Do you really think it is meant to be something else?

To be fair, I doubt they put too much thought into it. Probably think- SF Chicken = deep South, Confederate flag = deep South. I tend not to get insulted about things unless offence is intended, and I doubt it is in this situation.

Logical Fallacy · 22-07-2011 8:07pm

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

wth is unionist food?

This.

Mr. Denton · 22-07-2011 8:09pm

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

This.

Or a nice big bowl of this.

cml387 · 22-07-2011 8:15pm

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

wth is unionist food?

Northern Fried Chicken?

southsiderosie · 22-07-2011 8:20pm

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Well, given the amount of people in this thread who think it's the Confederate Flag, and the amount of people all over the South who think it's the Confederate flag and hell....even people in Hollywood who will make movies and such with big research budgets and even THEY will think it's the Confederate Flag...i think we need to leave room for the fact that someone googled Southern, found a flag and used in their graphic design and didn't have a freaking clue what it was.

I doubt the chipper is trying to spread a lust for secession via the medium of chicken legs.

Einhard wrote: »

To be fair, I doubt they put too much thought into it. Probably think- SF Chicken = deep South, Confederate flag = deep South. I tend not to get insulted about things unless offence is intended, and I doubt it is in this situation.

Oh I agree. It's like "Oh, look, Dixie Chicken!"

I wouldn't be insulted by it; it would just be very strange to see that in Ireland...and especially in Athlone. Although everything I know about Athlone I learned from this video...:P

c_man · 22-07-2011 8:23pm

The Confederate Flag pisses me off. Everytime I see it waving means that Cork have just scored.

Mr. Denton · 22-07-2011 8:26pm

southsiderosie wrote: »

Oh I agree. It's like "Oh, look, Dixie Chicken!"

I wouldn't be insulted by it; it would just be very strange to see that in Ireland...and especially in Athlone. Although everything I know about Athlone I learned from this video...:P

Athlone is interesting town in that it spans the geography of two counties (Roscommon and Westmeath) and as such leads to endless arguments as to which county actually can lay claim to rightful ownership of the place. The people of Roscommon claim it's part of Westmeath and the people of Westmeath claim it part of Roscommon

cml387 · 22-07-2011 8:29pm

Mr. Denton wrote: »

Athlone is interesting town in that it spans the geography of two counties (Roscommon and Westmeath) and as such leads to endless arguments as to which county actually can lay claim to rightful ownership of the place. The people of Roscommon claim it's part of Westmeath and the people of Westmeath claim it part of Roscommon

Being originally from Mullingar I wholeheartedly endorse this sentiment.

InTheTrees · 22-07-2011 8:35pm

The river going through the town is pretty.

I remember spending many hours hitchhiking in the 70's on that road by the station.

I'd always end up there trying to get from dublin to Galway.

Spread · 22-07-2011 8:41pm

cml387 wrote: »

Northern Fried Chicken?

I've seen Martha Stewart books on this out here

c_man wrote: »

The Confederate Flag pisses me off. Everytime I see it waving means that Cork have just scored.

Then you are not too familiar with the Confederate flag then

PARKHEAD67 · 22-07-2011 8:45pm

Cameron Poe wrote: »

I'm Irish (Catholic descent) and I find Celtic fans waving Irish flags fairly annoying too.

You probably find lots of flies in your soup;).Always something to be annoyed about eh?

PARKHEAD67 · 22-07-2011 8:54pm

PS: I agree with you in a sense: I find if these so-called Irish in Scotland were really Irish they wouldn't be well, how do I put it, supporting the garrison game of all games. Likewise for the so-called Irish republicans in Ireland. What sort of Irish "freedom" do these people want? Its clearly not cultural. Not a popular view in Afterhours but hey, are we really here to be thanks whores?

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Im defo not a thank whore, but if people chose to wave the flag of their descendants with pride then more power to them.Theres people of Irish descent in Glasgow who know more about Irish culture and history than a lot of the morons who actually live here:D.Sad, but true

pablomakaveli · 22-07-2011 9:05pm

This is the Confederate flag that was actually used by the Confederacy. The version we're all familiar with wasn't used.

Confederate Flag

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