Confederate Flag

h57xiucj2z946q

Seen this is a chipper in Athlone. Wonder would some people from the states find this offensive here?

Balfie

sure they are all hill billys down there anyways..

Superbus

Why would people from the states be in a chipper in Athlone?

Namlub

Bet their food is pretty offensive too...

WindSock

Hmm. Fried chicken + the flag...

h57xiucj2z946q

Superbus wrote: »

Why would people from the states be in a chipper in Athlone?

Well if people from states are visiting/living in Athlone, there is as good a chance as any that they will be eating in a chipper in Athlone, no?

InTheTrees

I live in the US but I'm not an american.

Would they find it offensive? It depends on the context. If its just part of an americana type scheme I doubt it.

Guill

Suthern fry chick, like ma Pappy used to make.

Mr. Denton

Hardly considering it's not even drawn correctly (it doesn't have the white piping between the red and blue)

joshrogan

Southern fried chicken, the flag is a symbol for southern America. /thread

rockmongrel

The South shall boogie again.

ILikeBananas

Layne Numerous Gun wrote: »

Seen this is a chipper in Athlone. Wonder would some people from the states find this offensive here?

Is this a joke op because if not then the idea that people would be offended by this is political correctness gone mad.

InTheTrees

joshrogan wrote: »

Southern fried chicken, the flag is a symbol for southern America. /thread

A pre-civil war symbol from the slave owning south.

super_furry

ILikeBananas wrote: »

Is this a joke op because if not then the idea that people would be offended by this is political correctness gone mad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGAOCVwLrXo

sherdydan

Layne Numerous Gun wrote: »

Seen this is a chipper in Athlone. Wonder would some people from the states find this offensive here?

back to marios!

CardBordWindow

I'm hungry!

InTheTrees

ILikeBananas wrote: »

Is this a joke op because if not then the idea that people would be offended by this is political correctness gone mad.

Well put it this way. It would be the equivalent of you walking into a bar in Boston and finding it decorated with Unionist banners, and banners proclaiming the superiority of protestants.

Would you feel comfortable walking up to the bar with a King Billy Forever banner in front of you?

Possibly. Maybe your thirst trumps such triviality. But one can put that kind of thing aside right?

jam_mac_jam

InTheTrees wrote: »

Well put it this way. It would be the equivalent of you walking into a bar in Boston and finding it decorated with Unionist banners, and banners proclaiming the superiority of protestants.

Would you feel comfortable walking up to the bar with a King Billy Forever banner in front of you?

Possibly. Maybe your thirst trumps such triviality. But one can put that kind of thing aside right?

If they were serving unionist food then no, but its not the equivalent at all though is it? There is nothing decorated with superiority of anyone, its a chicken box FFS.

RichieC

People drive around with it on their trucks over there.

johnmcdnl

if they find it offensive tell them to feck off because their PC pricks..

Run_to_da_hills

RichieC wrote: »

People drive around with it on their trucks over there.

Its their national backdrop.

PARKHEAD67

ILikeBananas wrote: »

Is this a joke op because if not then the idea that people would be offended by this is political correctness gone mad.

Well,Rangers fans get very offended when Celtic fans wave tricolours.Then again, I suppose theyre permanently raging at something or the other.(Once its Irish or Catholic, but especially both);)

Knight who says Meh

Whoops... wrong thread...Howd that happen.....

Cameron Poe

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Well,Rangers fans get very offended when Celtic fans wave tricolours.Then again, I suppose theyre permanently raging at something or the other.(Once its Irish or Catholic, but especially both);)

I'm Irish (Catholic descent) and I find Celtic fans waving Irish flags fairly annoying too.

im invisible

the question is, would a black americian find it offensive?

im sure there'd be some conflicted feelings going on anyway...

lord lucan

RichieC wrote: »

People drive around with it on their trucks over there.

And cars.:D

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/dodge/527646.jpg

knird evol

As if they'd allow any low down Yankee thrash in the front door.

If any yankee takes offence they can have a pistol dual in the main street.

Dionysus

Layne Numerous Gun wrote: »

Seen this is a chipper in Athlone. Wonder would some people from the states find this offensive here?

If they can accept the flag of the United States, I'm sure that if they were being morally consistent on the issue of flags they can have few problems with the Confederate flag.

It's not like the ineffably barbarous massacres of the native Americans in the late 19th century were not done under the United States flag, or that the internment of almost 300,000 people in concentration camps in the Philippines was not done under the same flag. This list could go on, but I think the point is made.

southsiderosie

joshrogan wrote: »

Southern fried chicken, the flag is a symbol for southern America. /thread

Em, for a certain segment of southern America.

RichieC wrote: »

People Rednecks and hillbillies drive around with it on their trucks over there.

FYP.

Dionysus wrote: »

If they can accept the flag of the United States, I'm sure that if they were being morally consistent on the issue of flags they can have few problems with the Confederate flag.

It's not like the ineffably barbarous massacres of the native Americans in the late 19th century were not done under the United States flag, or that the internment of almost 300,000 people in concentration camps in the Philippines was not done under the same flag. This list could go on, but I think the point is made.

The Confederate Flag began as a symbol of treason and evolved as a symbol of defiance of the federal government's attempts to impose civil rights laws on the region. So it is consistent to have problems with the confederate flag and your point isn't made.

southsiderosie

im invisible wrote: »

the question is, would a black americian find it offensive?

im sure there'd be some conflicted feelings going on anyway...

Speaking as a member of the tribe, I'd be more confused by it than anything else.

Dionysus

Cameron Poe wrote: »

I'm Irish (Catholic descent) and I find Celtic fans waving Irish flags fairly annoying too.

That represents a failure of the British state to stand up to Protestant dominance and create a more inclusive society in that part of their state. Had the political class the courage to tackle that earlier this issue would not exist today. Simple as.

PS: I agree with you in a sense: I find if these so-called Irish in Scotland were really Irish they wouldn't be well, how do I put it, supporting the garrison game of all games. Likewise for the so-called Irish republicans in Ireland. What sort of Irish "freedom" do these people want? Its clearly not cultural. Not a popular view in Afterhours but hey, are we really here to be thanks whores?

Logical Fallacy

That's not the Confederate Flag.

Jusy sayin'.

Absurdum

would a carton of Um Bongo offend someone from da Congo?

so many questions, such little time

southsiderosie

Dionysus wrote: »

It didn't. That's the Yankee take on it. The real "treason" was the conquest of the south by the industrialised north which wanted cheap raw materials and labour, and used "emancipation" as the moral weapon to beat the south with in order to achieve this very rational economic aim.

The hell?

Did you go to the Jefferson Davis School of Revisionist American History or something?

SEPT 23 1989

Get off the fcuking stage

its a box which contains food

nice food

Dionysus

southsiderosie wrote: »

The Confederate Flag began as a symbol of treason and evolved as a symbol of defiance of the federal government's attempts to impose civil rights laws on the region. So it is consistent to have problems with the confederate flag and your point isn't made.

It didn't. That's the Yankee take on it. The real "treason" was the conquest of the south by the industrialised north which wanted cheap raw materials and labour, and used "emancipation" as the moral weapon to beat the south with in order to achieve this very rational economic aim.

The pity is that some nationalistically-minded US citizens today would like to ignore this historical reality and portray the entire US Civil War as a moral crusade. Self-serving horseshíte of the highest order. The genuine "abolitionists" were a minority on the Yankee side. The institution of slavery was an economic impediment to the economic advance of the northern states.

SEPT 23 1989

Dionysus wrote: »

It didn't. That's the Yankee take on it. The real "treason" was the conquest of the south by the industrialised north which wanted cheap raw materials and labour, and used "emancipation" as the moral weapon to beat the south with in order to achieve this very rational economic aim.

The pity is that some nationalistically-minded US citizens today would like to ignore this historical reality and portray the entire US Civil War as a moral crusade. Self-serving horseshíte of the highest order. The genuine "abolitionists" were a minority on the Yankee side.

Can't argue with that

Dionysus

southsiderosie wrote: »

The hell?

Did you go to the Jefferson Davis School of Revisionist American History or something?

Now, now. Can you debate this rationally or are you just going to fall into some moronic stereotype that the US Civil War was all about "freeing the slaves". :rolleyes:

Logical Fallacy

southsiderosie wrote: »

The hell?

Did you go to the Jefferson Davis School of Revisionist American History or something?

The freeing of slaves only applied to slaves in the South, and was used as a method to bolster the number of men at arms...slaves willing to fight for the North were offered freedom.

Lincoln adopted the policy to keep the states who were loyal to the Union but still big on slavery happy.

SEPT 23 1989

Dionysus wrote: »

Now, now. Can you debate this rationally or are you just going to fall into some moronic stereotype that the US Civil War was all about "freeing the slaves". :rolleyes:

They need to do their homework on this

its the modern day "axis of evil"

southsiderosie

Dionysus wrote: »

It didn't. That's the Yankee take on it. The real "treason" was the conquest of the south by the industrialised north which wanted cheap raw materials and labour, and used "emancipation" as the moral weapon to beat the south with in order to achieve this very rational economic aim.

The pity is that some nationalistically-minded US citizens today would like to ignore this historical reality and portray the entire US Civil War as a moral crusade. Self-serving horseshíte of the highest order. The genuine "abolitionists" were a minority on the Yankee side. The institution of slavery was an economic impediment to the economic advance of the northern states.

Nobody said anything about a moral crusade. But the decision to secede was an act of treason.

Let's not pretend for one second that the Confederate Flag is anything other than a symbol of intransigence.

Einhard

Dionysus wrote: »

Now, now. Can you debate this rationally or are you just going to fall into some moronic stereotype that the US Civil War was all about "freeing the slaves". :rolleyes:

It was about preventing the secession of the Confederate states. There was considerable anti-slavery sentiment in the North, but that wasn't the reason that war broke out. However, as the war progressed, it became more and more apparent that slavery was the crux of the issue, and no peace could be countenanced unless it was entirely extirpated in all the states. You're correct in stating that it wasn't a moral crusade (although there was an element of this, even within Lincoln's cabinet), but neither was it an aggressive attempt on the part of the North to extend an economic hegemony over the South.

InTheTrees

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

If they were serving unionist food then no, but its not the equivalent at all though is it? There is nothing decorated with superiority of anyone, its a chicken box FFS.

The flag is a white supremacist flag.

Its not even a valid flag of anywhere anymore.

And remember the question wasnt whether irish people with no knowledge of US history would be offended, the question was whether any Americans would find it offensive.

But anyway I originally answered that it depended on the context but probably not, They'd be curious certainly.

Logical Fallacy

southsiderosie wrote: »

Let's not pretend for one second that the Confederate Flag is anything other than a symbol of intransigence.

Maybe, but the flag on those boxes is not the Confederate Flag.

southsiderosie

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Maybe, but the flag on those boxes is not the Confederate Flag.

It's a Southern Fried Chicken box, and they forgot to put the white strips on.

Do you really think it is meant to be something else?

Wolfe Tone

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

If they were serving unionist food then no, but its not the equivalent at all though is it? There is nothing decorated with superiority of anyone, its a chicken box FFS.

wth is unionist food?

Logical Fallacy

southsiderosie wrote: »

It's a Southern Fried Chicken box, and they forgot to put the white strips on.

Do you really think it is meant to be something else?

Well, given the amount of people in this thread who think it's the Confederate Flag, and the amount of people all over the South who think it's the Confederate flag and hell....even people in Hollywood who will make movies and such with big research budgets and even THEY will think it's the Confederate Flag...i think we need to leave room for the fact that someone googled Southern, found a flag and used in their graphic design and didn't have a freaking clue what it was.

I doubt the chipper is trying to spread a lust for secession via the medium of chicken legs.

Namlub

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

wth is unionist food?

Potato farls?

Einhard

southsiderosie wrote: »

It's a Southern Fried Chicken box, and they forgot to put the white strips on.

Do you really think it is meant to be something else?

To be fair, I doubt they put too much thought into it. Probably think- SF Chicken = deep South, Confederate flag = deep South. I tend not to get insulted about things unless offence is intended, and I doubt it is in this situation.

Logical Fallacy

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

wth is unionist food?

This.

Mr. Denton

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

This.

Or a nice big bowl of this.