Confederate Flag

Mickeroo

KeithAFC wrote: »

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://cwmemory.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/black-confederates.jpg&imgrefurl=http://cwmemory.com/2011/02/08/whats-wrong-with-the-black-confederate-debate/&h=617&w=720&sz=130&tbnid=QdM9uY8oYNaSlM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=105&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dblack%2Bconfederates%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=black+confederates&docid=_eoIL-KccStncM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=m6UtTpPxOYK6hAe568GqCw&sqi=2&ved=0CEEQ9QEwAw&dur=450

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=black+confederates&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1281&bih=809&tbm=isch&tbnid=gtgmSGlpGtLWKM:&imgrefurl=http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php%253F169524-The-American-Civil-War-Black-Confederates&docid=AsYs8iV_uCmyYM&w=280&h=341&ei=uKUtTuSjBoaxhQfZosWqCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=571&vpy=408&dur=357&hovh=248&hovw=203&tx=119&ty=149&page=1&tbnh=167&tbnw=134&start=0&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:15,s:0

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=Black+confederates+book&um=1&hl=en&biw=1281&bih=809&tbm=isch&tbnid=W9nb-MpKxYCO6M:&imgrefurl=http://www.blackconfederatesoldiers.com/reference_books_42.html&docid=gbKT2FzQ8Nm_YM&w=315&h=475&ei=56YtTpWbCsbRhAeVs7yqCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=587&vpy=62&dur=520&hovh=276&hovw=183&tx=102&ty=129&page=1&tbnh=157&tbnw=116&start=0&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0

Read that book.

That article with that first photo you linked to actually says it was done on photoshop. lol

KeithAFC

gargleblaster wrote: »

Oh FFS. How sad to see that myth has such legs.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/local-opinions/2010/10/the_myth_of_the_black_confeder.html

http://www.theroot.com/views/myth-black-confederates-persists

Washington DC isn't a good link because as we all know, they have brainwashed generations of youngsters in schools on the war of Northern Aggression and many other events in history. I feel sorry for them not getting a proper factual insight into history.

steddyeddy

KeithAFC wrote: »

Washington DC isn't a good link because as we all know, they have brainwashed generations of youngsters in schools on the war of Northern Aggression and many other events in history. I feel sorry for them not getting a proper factual insight into history.

Im sure the feeling is mutual Keith. The next thing well here is the kkk didnt hate catholics.

KeithAFC

steddyeddy wrote: »

Im sure the feeling is mutual Keith. The next thing well here is the kkk didnt hate catholics.

I didn't think this was about the KKK. Although i know it was about a chicken box ( :pac:).

Perhaps it would be better on the politics forum.

Although i will say is the KKK have used the United states flag. Plenty of pictures of that. Does that mean the US flag is racist? I don't think so. I don't think any normal person would think that.

steddyeddy

KeithAFC wrote: »

I didn't think this was about the KKK. Although i know it was about a chicken box ( :pac:).

Perhaps it would be better on the politics forum.

Although i will say is the KKK have used the United states flag. Plenty of pictures of that. Does that mean the US flag is racist? I don't think so. I don't think any normal person would think that.

No it doesnt mean anything at all. The kkk was an example of revisionist history much like the confederate supporting african rights bs that seems to be popping up now and again.

KeithAFC

steddyeddy wrote: »

No it doesnt mean anything at all. The kkk was an example of revisionist history much like the confederate supporting african rights bs that seems to be popping up now and again.

Exactly. So you can't judge the US flag with the KKK using it.

steddyeddy

KeithAFC wrote: »

Exactly. So you can't judge the US flag with the KKK using it.

I didnt judge it

Mayo Exile

The "official" Confederate flag up to May 1863 was this:


Started with 7 stars (states) and ended up with 13.

Replaced in May 1863 by this:


and finally in March 1865 by this:


The "Stars & Bars" is the CSA's battle flag.

Guill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-qvIvBhSX8

gargleblaster

Guill wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-qvIvBhSX8

http://library.thinkquest.org/C005462/scross.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crux

Chris P. Bacon

Never mind the flag,what was the chicken like?

Killer Wench

Chris P. Bacon wrote: »

Never mind the flag,what was the chicken like?

This question brings up why I am the most offended. I bet it is just another Kentucky Fried Chicken knock-off.

Guill

gargleblaster wrote: »

http://library.thinkquest.org/C005462/scross.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crux

It was a pun but thanks for being a nerd.

Snickers Man

Bump!!

Given the topicality of the issue (Charlottesville, Cork GAA fans, people being "offended") I thought it might be interesting to see what people thought about this a few years ago.

cournioni

I was shouted down by people in Ireland over my objection to Iron Maiden waving the Union Jack victoriously in Dublin earlier this year. I was told that it was 2017 and to let the past stay in the past.

Is this any different from the Confederate flag debate?

jimgoose

They mock us in Dungarvan, soldier. Already, General McGrath is outside Midleton, God-damn his Yankee hide. Gentlemen, have the wimmenfolks load up them Springfields and get ready to turn the Siur red, for the Confederacaaahh!!

Atoms for Peace

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

wth is unionist food?

Very bitter and confused I'd imagine.

jimgoose

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Very bitter and confused I'd imagine.

Probably just Tatie-bread, as part of an Ulster fry, hi.

heebusjeebus

Snickers Man wrote: »

Bump!!

Given the topicality of the issue (Charlottesville, Cork GAA fans, people being "offended") I thought it might be interesting to see what people thought about this a few years ago.

I saw the flag on the Hill on Sunday, just before the match. Something must have been said to the flag bearer as I didn't see it for the rest of the afternoon.

Atoms for Peace

The south will rise again .

hairyslug

Would love a snack box right now

jimgoose

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

The south will rise again .

topper75

Mike Webb I believe would have toured Ireland with the Tennessee Mafia String Band.
Small world.

Funny how flags are flown in an OVERT political way in some sporting fixtures and media have no story e.g. Palestinian flag
Anyone who thinks Cork GAA folk are showing support for white supremacy has their head up their rectum.

jimgoose

topper75 wrote: »

Mike Webb I believe would have toured Ireland with the Tennessee Mafia String Band.
Small world...

Indeed. It was the Tennessee Mafia Jug Band, though.

RobbieTheRobber

topper75 wrote: »

Mike Webb I believe would have toured Ireland with the Tennessee Mafia String Band.
Small world.

Funny how flags are flown in an OVERT political way in some sporting fixtures and media have no story e.g. Palestinian flag
Anyone who thinks Cork GAA folk are showing support for white supremacy has their head up their rectum.

I always think anyone flying a Palestinian flag or Israeli flag outside of Palestinian Israeli contexts is a fúckin idiot.
Seriously this is the battle you want to pick a side on!

Similarly I think any GAA fan flying a flag that has serious racist connotations is also a fúckin dolt.

jimgoose

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I always think anyone flying a Palestinian flag or Israeli flag outside of Palestinian Israeli contexts is a fúckin idiot.
Seriously this is the battle you want to pick a side on!

Similarly I think any GAA fan flying a flag that has serious racist connotations is also a fúckin dolt.

Sir, if you ever presume again to speak disrespectfully of General Grant in my presence, either you or I will sever his connection with this university.

seamus

cournioni wrote: »

I was shouted down by people in Ireland over my objection to Iron Maiden waving the Union Jack victoriously in Dublin earlier this year. I was told that it was 2017 and to let the past stay in the past.

Is this any different from the Confederate flag debate?

Well, yes.

The confederate flag represented a group of states that seceded from the US in protest at the slave abolition that was on the cards. Specifically they wanted to retain the right to keep slaves and formed their own union on that basis.

In effect, the confederate flag represents white supremacy. It existed only as a banner to represent white supremacists and people in favour of slavery.

The Union Jack by contrast is a national flag. While one can say that many atrocities have been carried out under it, the flag itself is not representative of anything except Britain.

The brief partnership that was the confederacy has long since ended, so the flag now purely represents white supremacy, it cannot be claimed to be a national flag or something more innocuous.

The confederate flag is about as appropriate as a Nazi flag. Less stigma perhaps, but not much better.

namloc1980

The perpetually offended have something new to moan about.

Ush1

seamus wrote: »

Well, yes.

The confederate flag represented a group of states that seceded from the US in protest at the slave abolition that was on the cards. Specifically they wanted to retain the right to keep slaves and formed their own union on that basis.

In effect, the confederate flag represents white supremacy. It existed only as a banner to represent white supremacists and people in favour of slavery.

The Union Jack by contrast is a national flag. While one can say that many atrocities have been carried out under it, the flag itself is not representative of anything except Britain.

The brief partnership that was the confederacy has long since ended, so the flag now purely represents white supremacy, it cannot be claimed to be a national flag or something more innocuous.

The confederate flag is about as appropriate as a Nazi flag. Less stigma perhaps, but not much better.

Except the south was a national flag and what do you think the British empire thought of non whites?

It's a symbol of autonomy as much as racism. The souths economy would collapse which is what happened and they had terrible poverty there and still do to this day in many parts. It's as much to do with racism as the Texan flag might be considered.

theoneeyedman

seamus wrote: »

Well, yes.

The confederate flag represented a group of states that seceded from the US in protest at the slave abolition that was on the cards. Specifically they wanted to retain the right to keep slaves and formed their own union on that basis.

In effect, the confederate flag represents white supremacy. It existed only as a banner to represent white supremacists and people in favour of slavery.

The Union Jack by contrast is a national flag. While one can say that many atrocities have been carried out under it, the flag itself is not representative of anything except Britain.

The brief partnership that was the confederacy has long since ended, so the flag now purely represents white supremacy, it cannot be claimed to be a national flag or something more innocuous.

The confederate flag is about as appropriate as a Nazi flag. Less stigma perhaps, but not much better.

TLDR version:

Nazis and Confederate on losing side of respective wars =bad flag
Britain on winning side of WW2 = Union Jack (aka The Butchers Apron) good flag.

Gottit.