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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    padocon wrote: »
    BG expect to get 1million of the 1.8 million ESB Coustemers!!!!

    Bord Gais are expecting 500 thousand customers within the next 5 years according to their spokes person on the last word at 4.40pm today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I'm waiting for Gazprom to enter the market myself ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭Kotek Besar


    Times are hard, and it's not nice being poor.

    I'm trying to save 14% on my electricity units, but the online form linked to on this page is asking for a username and password.

    I'm guessing that's just a temporary issue? Will keep trying..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭Kotek Besar


    Cheers Mike. Job's a good 'un. I've switched.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭padocon


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Bord Gais are expecting 500 thousand customers within the next 5 years according to their spokes person on the last word at 4.40pm today.

    Got the 1milion off teletext


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    bogman wrote: »
    Am I right that in the event of an outage after I switch to Board Gais that ESB technicians will "promptly" sort out the problem, unlike Eircom taking their time if you have switched say to UTV?
    That should be the case, as it's ESB Networks that would fix your supply if there was a technical problem with it (billing is another matter entirely), and they shouldn't know who your service provider is. However that should also have been the case with Eircom, and wasn't. This is down to the ability of the regulator to create a firewall between networks and retail more than anything. If they're twice as good as ComReg...

    ...well, they'd still be sh*te, because twice nuthin is nuthin.

    adam


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    bogman wrote: »
    Am I right that in the event of an outage after I switch to Board Gais that ESB technicians will "promptly" sort out the problem, unlike Eircom taking their time if you have switched say to UTV?

    True. ESB Networks will respond to outages and won't know which Supply company you are with. This is why you have an account number for the Supply company and a MPRN (Meter Point Registration Number) when reporting faults. This MPRN does not indicate which company you are with. Indeed ESB Network have Service Level Agreemnets through the Regulator which ensure prompt and equal treatment of all customers.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 23,184 ✭✭✭✭beertons


    I'll probably change myself, but can't help feeling that they (ESB) might do a job on them (BG), like eircom did to smart telecom. Repair faults slower, having power off for longer, and so on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    beertons wrote: »
    I'll probably change myself, but can't help feeling that they (ESB) might do a job on them (BG), like eircom did to smart telecom. Repair faults slower, having power off for longer, and so on.

    Read what I posted above. They will not be, and can't be, aware of what Supply company you are with. Indeed they don't care, as ESB Networks gets the same returns irrespective of the generator or supplier. Losing Domestic Customers will have no measurable affect on the profits of the ESB Group so no need for conspiracy theories.:P


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  • Registered Users Posts: 188 ✭✭_Nuno_


    Read what I posted above. They will not be, and can't be, aware of what Supply company you are with. Indeed they don't care, as ESB Networks gets the same returns irrespective of the generator or supplier. Losing Domestic Customers will have no measurable affect on the profits of the ESB Group so no need for conspiracy theories.:P

    So you are saying that bord gais will be paying ESB the full price consumers were previously paying ESB? That is the only way for it not to have a measurable effect on ESB.

    Obviously the networks division won't be affected since they'll probably get the same from BG than they did from the ESB division that distributes to consumers, but ESB distribution (whatever its called) will lose a significant portion of their profits.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Nuno, I'm not going to quote a load of figures here and drag this off topic but get hold of a copy of the ESB Annual Report and you'll see that due to regulatory restrictions on new plant, the requirement to keep standby generation available etc. the Generation and Supply businesses are making very little profit. Keep in mind that the Domestic sector is the least profitable and look at the performance of ESB since the market was opened 6 years ago for Industrial/Commercial customers.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    beertons wrote: »
    I'll probably change myself, but can't help feeling that they (ESB) might do a job on them (BG), like eircom did to smart telecom. Repair faults slower, having power off for longer, and so on.

    You clearly do not understand how Smart provided services, Smart Telecom is a LLU providers...they install their own kit in eircom exchanges to supply phone and Broadband...they used to be a reseller abit but in a very small scale.

    Bord Gais are simply reselling the ESB service using ESB's equipment, they do not use any of their own equipment other then for billing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Cabaal wrote: »
    You clearly do not understand how Smart provided services, Smart Telecom is a LLU providers...they install their own kit in eircom exchanges to supply phone and Broadband...they used to be a reseller abit but in a very small scale.

    Bord Gais are simply reselling the ESB service using ESB's equipment, they do not use any of their own equipment other then for billing.

    They are "reselling" nothing. Bord Gais will generate the electricity (or buy any over and above what it can produce itself from other IPPs) and pay ESB to distribute the electricity to your home. Does the Carpet Manufacturer or Retailer "resell" you the delivery man who transports the carpet to their shop and then to your home?
    Pernickedey I know but let's get it right. :)


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    They are "reselling" nothing. Bord Gais will generate the electricity (or buy any over and above what it can produce itself from other IPPs) and pay ESB to distribute the electricity to your home. Does the Carpet Manufacturer or Retailer "resell" you the delivery man who transports the carpet to their shop and then to your home?
    Pernickedey I know but let's get it right. :)

    So you believe that Bord Gais one powere station which does not even start to operate till November 2009 and won't be 100% operational till April 2010 will supply 100% of power they require or that they won't buy power from ESB Networks which they will resell?

    This new power station is being used to help them off-set the cheaper prices but this is all, this was clearly expalined by their spokes person yesterday.

    Bord Gais are going to be reselling a percentage of power produced by ESB Networks and are using ESB's existing meters, wiring and infrastructure etc,

    This is nothing like Smart who installed their own LLU kit and used their own backhaul to provide ADSL to its customers, they only had to use eircom for the "last mile" from the exchange to the customers house....Bord Gais have to use basically all of the ESB's existing infrastructure to supply power once its generated.

    Bord Gais are no different to Airtricity in supplying power to people in Ireland. As Bord Gais are using ESB Networks existing infrastructure then any faults or technical issues pertaining to the supply of power are dealt with by ESB Networks.

    ESB Networks don't give a crap who you pay your bill to unless its a billing issue thats stopping you getting power.

    An equal comparison between the ESB and Bord Gais would be between Eircom Wholesale and UTV, UTV supply Broadband by reselling Eircom's bit-stream service...it uses all the exisiting kit at the exchange so UTV don't pay for new equipment so Broadband can be routed to one of its customers.

    My point isn't that Bord Gais is crap or anything like that, I'm just covering they are not like Smart, I think if they can supply a cheaper service then thats fantastic for the average Joe on the street...I for one will likely switch to them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 Joeyjay


    wow, seems like a great way to save money - for a change.
    my question is, I'm in credit with ESB for about 100-200 quid, should I wait to 'use that up' before switching, or will I get a refund if I switch now???

    Is there a post somewhere about swithching from Eircom????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,744 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    Joeyjay wrote: »
    wow, seems like a great way to save money - for a change.
    my question is, I'm in credit with ESB for about 100-200 quid, should I wait to 'use that up' before switching, or will I get a refund if I switch now???

    Is there a post somewhere about swithching from Eircom????

    I would switch now. Either way it would be better. I doubt if they would refund you though so the 200 would get you more electricity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 mfox


    Vegeta wrote: »
    Anyone know of any T&C for this, minimum contracts, switching costs?

    I have just tried to switch electricity from ESB to Bord Gais and they are trying to charge me a €200 deposit for the privilage of switching suppliers (€100 because I am a tenant and not already a Bord Gais Customer and €100 if I dont choose to pay by direct debit). Based on my current bill I would save about €100 in my first year by switching my bill, however if I pay this €200 deposit I will loose €100. Even if I choose to set up a direct debit there is no benifit to be made.

    This is complete false advertising to say that you will save 10%, when you have to pay at least 10% for the privilage of becoming thier customer. I live in Donegal and this completly discriminates against me because we dont have piped gas in this county therefore it would have been completely impossible for me to have been previously a Bord Gais Customer.

    Their website also fails to let you know about the switching deposit untill you are half way through the online switiching process. There is also no information relating to how you get this deposit back if you choose to switch again in the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    kleefarr wrote: »
    I would switch now. Either way it would be better. I doubt if they would refund you though so the 200 would get you more electricity.

    why do you doubt the refund?

    Switch now, and if your final bill is in debit, you owe them.... if it's in credit, they owe you and a refund will be issued.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    mfox wrote: »
    I have just tried to switch electricity from ESB to Bord Gais and they are trying to charge me a €200 deposit for the privilage of switching suppliers (€100 because I am a tenant and not already a Bord Gais Customer and €100 if I dont choose to pay by direct debit). Based on my current bill I would save about €100 in my first year by switching my bill, however if I pay this €200 deposit I will loose €100. Even if I choose to set up a direct debit there is no benifit to be made.

    This is complete false advertising to say that you will save 10%, when you have to pay at least 10% for the privilage of becoming thier customer. I live in Donegal and this completly discriminates against me because we dont have piped gas in this county therefore it would have been completely impossible for me to have been previously a Bord Gais Customer.

    Their website also fails to let you know about the switching deposit untill you are half way through the online switiching process. There is also no information relating to how you get this deposit back if you choose to switch again in the future.


    How is it a con?, the ESB do the EXACT SAME thing for new accounts
    (if your not a home owner and are not in the property for over 14 months)
    - Pay them a deposit
    or
    - Don't pay a deposit but pay by direct debit

    If Bord Gais still want a deposit of some sort even if you pay by DD thats upto them...I'm sure in these hard times alot of people don't always pay bills and thats a risk Bord Gais take so they want to cover themselfs.

    The T&C's service cover the security deposit
    7. Security

    If we decide it is required at any time, you must provide us with security cover (the form of this to be decided by us). This is for the payment of any monies which become due by you under the Contract. Any security cover provided to us which is in the form of a cash deposit will be repaid to you when you close your account provided all sums due have been paid or within a certain period provided you have satisfied our payment terms on a continuous basis.

    You should have read them first before beginning sign-up...this is good practice with any contracted service, if you don't do this when you signup for mobile phones, broadband, loans, landlines etc you are nuts imho

    They are not discriminating against you just because you can't get gas, thats like saying Eircom do call bundles with Broadband and phone and you can't get Broadband so you can't make the same saving....discrimination!!! :rolleyes:
    Stop kidding yourself

    If you don't read T&C's before signing up and understand basic reasons why companys sometimes request security deposits then thats not Bord Gais fault and neither is it false advertising as Bord Gais outline the charge and ways to not have to pay the charge very clearly.....which you appear to have missed.

    If you still feel so strongly about Bord Gais and its apparent "false advertising" then bring it up with the asai.ie.....they'll likely laugh though


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    mfox wrote: »
    Based on my current bill I would save about €100 in my first year by switching my bill, however if I pay this €200 deposit I will loose €100. Even if I choose to set up a direct debit there is no benifit to be made.
    I don't understand the reasoning on why you will 'lose' your deposit? Have you contacted to clarify this or are you just assuming it?



    mfox wrote: »
    I live in Donegal and this completly discriminates against me because we dont have piped gas in this county therefore it would have been completely impossible for me to have been previously a Bord Gais Customer.

    It's not really discrimination. It's a loyalty scheme. If the service wasn't available in the area, that's company policy, and their well within their right to exercise it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,744 ✭✭✭kleefarr


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    why do you doubt the refund?

    Switch now, and if your final bill is in debit, you owe them.... if it's in credit, they owe you and a refund will be issued.

    :rolleyes: Silly me I forgot that he was changing to Bord Gais from ESB and not the other way round. I'm full of the flu.

    As he was leaving ESB he would intitled to a refund of course. Hope he would get it no problem. A quick phone call would probably find something out. :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭Saint_Mel


    Switched today, about 5 minutes on the phone and it was all done and dusted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    Any chance we can have Airtricity added to this poll too?
    I know BGE and getting all the coverage, but Airtricity are nearly as cheaper (possibly cheaper in long run after 1st year?) and some people might prefer supporting renewable energy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 mfox


    Cabaal wrote: »
    How is it a con?, the ESB do the EXACT SAME thing for new accounts
    (if your not a home owner and are not in the property for over 14 months)
    - Pay them a deposit
    or
    - Don't pay a deposit but pay by direct debit

    If Bord Gais still want a deposit of some sort even if you pay by DD thats upto them...I'm sure in these hard times alot of people don't always pay bills and thats a risk Bord Gais take so they want to cover themselfs.

    The T&C's service cover the security deposit



    You should have read them first before beginning sign-up...this is good practice with any contracted service, if you don't do this when you signup for mobile phones, broadband, loans, landlines etc you are nuts imho

    They are not discriminating against you just because you can't get gas, thats like saying your with the ESB and they have you on a rural plan so you pay more then a Urban plan....discrimination!! :rolleyes:

    If you don't read T&C's before signing up and understand basic reasons why companys sometimes request security deposits then thats not Bord Gais fault and neither is it false advertising as Bord Gais outline the charge and ways to not have to pay the charge very clearly.....which you appear to have missed.

    If you still feel so strongly about Bord Gais and its apparent "false advertising" then bring it up with the asai.ie.....they'll likely laugh though

    Thanks for your reply.

    First of all we did not have to pay a deposit to ESB when setting up a new account this is not true. Also in the case of Bord Gais you stilll pay a €100 deposit even if you choose direct debit, you cant avoid this payment.

    Also I made it clear from my previous posts that I have not yet signed up. I phoned them first before going online and it is the fact that I read the terms and conditions that I got clarification on this point and decided not to go through with the switch.

    In terms of your point about discrimination, that is true that the ESB charge different rates too. However only a certain percentage of the population have had the opportunity to be a Bord Gais customer before.

    In relation to the false advertising yes you are correct in that the deposit is mentioned in the terms and conditions however thier advertising in relation to the 10% saving and the examples of the annual saving you can make do not state that this excludes the cost of the deposit or that the terms and conditions apply.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Joeyjay wrote: »
    my question is, I'm in credit with ESB for about 100-200 quid, should I wait to 'use that up' before switching, or will I get a refund if I switch now???
    You'll get a Final or "Closing Account" from ESB Customer Supply. If it is in Credit there is absolutely no problem in getting a cheque refund. Indeed if they take more than 10 days after the request to issue the refund they'll give you €35 under their Customer Charter. :)


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    mfox wrote: »
    Thanks for your reply.

    First of all we did not have to pay a deposit to ESB when setting up a new account this is not true.

    Really?
    The ESB.ie website and my recent signup as a new account with the ESB must be completely wrong and a mistake of the ESB signup process

    ESB.ie states:
    New customers are required to pay their account by Direct Debit.
    Remember, if you do not choose Direct Debit, a €300 deposit
    must be paid within 10 working days of moving into your new
    home. A letter will be issued with payment options.

    You sure you don';t have to pay the ESB a security deposit if you don't pay by DD? ;)
    The fact that Bord Gais want an extra 100e if you pay by DD is upto them...not as good a deal as the ESB have deposit wise :)


    Also in the case of Bord Gais you stilll pay a €100 deposit even if you choose direct debit, you cant avoid this payment.

    and?
    Bord Gais can do this if they wish, taking on customers who potentially won't pay bills is a risky business.


    Also I made it clear from my previous posts that I have not yet signed up. I phoned them first before going online and it is the fact that I read the terms and conditions that I got clarification on this point and decided not to go through with the switch.

    Just complained that you are not told about any charge before you goto signup, for the 2min it takes you to get to the signup page that gives info about the charge and the fact its outlined in T&C's I hardly see this as a big issue...but continue complaining about something that won't change if you must...

    .its worth noting that the ESB.ie new customer signup is the exact same when it comes to giving info on any security deposit...after you've filled out two other pages :D
    In terms of your point about discrimination, that is true that the ESB charge different rates too. However only a certain percentage of the population have had the opportunity to be a Bord Gais customer before.

    You realise alot of the country is not covered by Bord Gais for piped gas, its generally bigger towns and citys....its still not discrimination. Its simply an offer exisiting customers can take up
    In relation to the false advertising yes you are correct in that the deposit is mentioned in the terms and conditions however thier advertising in relation to the 10% saving and the examples of the annual saving you can make do not state that this excludes the cost of the deposit or that the terms and conditions apply.

    and?
    Its still not false advertising :)
    It upto you to work out if its going to save you money before signing up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bogman


    Already switched


  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭philcsl


    Just Switched online myself, took 5 mins, 14% discount on my ESB is around €170 per year, no brainer as far as I can see!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,386 ✭✭✭EKRIUQ


    I've switched 2 accounts today and with the 10 % should save about €600 over the year. I read all the Bord Gais website and the thread here and it seems like a no brainer and it's done in 2 minutes on the website plus Bord Gais have a good record of billing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭TriciaDelicia


    mfox wrote: »
    Based on my current bill I would save about €100 in my first year by switching my bill, however if I pay this €200 deposit I will loose €100. Even if I choose to set up a direct debit there is no benifit to be made.

    You don't actually lose it. It's a deposit you get it back after a few months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭soc


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    Any chance we can have Airtricity added to this poll too?
    I know BGE and getting all the coverage, but Airtricity are nearly as cheaper (possibly cheaper in long run after 1st year?) and some people might prefer supporting renewable energy.

    Here here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭anniehoo


    Can someone explain point 3 on their website

    "3.How often will I be billed?

    We will bill you every two months, when we receive a meter reading or estimate from ESB Network
    "

    Are ESB providing this info for nothing? Why would they be happy to share this info with their competitors rather than having their own meter reading guys to do it? What to esb gain out of giving this info to BG?


  • Registered Users Posts: 227 ✭✭rebellad


    If am just about to sort the electricity for my new build - I was looking at the BGE website and eirtrictiy website and they only mention switching do I have to get connected to the ESB first and then switch after, it's a bit of a pain if thats the way...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    anniehoo wrote: »
    Can someone explain point 3 on their website

    Are ESB providing this info for nothing? Why would they be happy to share this info with their competitors rather than having their own meter reading guys to do it? What to esb gain out of giving this info to BG?

    Here we go again. ESB Networks distribute the electricty. BGE generate and supply it. They pay ESB Networks a cost per Unit to use the Networks and ESB Networks read the meters, they bill BGE and all other suppliers for using the lines (giving them the readings of each meter which they use to bill you). They are not competitors of BGE.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    rebellad wrote: »
    If am just about to sort the electricity for my new build - I was looking at the BGE website and eirtrictiy website and they only mention switching do I have to get connected to the ESB first and then switch after, it's a bit of a pain if thats the way...

    My understanding is that with a new connection you apply to ESB Networks for the line to your house, including installation of the meter. You also apply to a Supply company (ESB Customer Supply, Bord Gais, Aitricity...) for your elctricity supply. If you don't opt for a supply company I think you default to ESB Customer Supply after a period of time. I'm sure if you phone the ESB Networks Call Centre (1850 373 999 ??) they will explain it properly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,465 ✭✭✭MOH


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    Any chance we can have Airtricity added to this poll too?
    I know BGE and getting all the coverage, but Airtricity are nearly as cheaper (possibly cheaper in long run after 1st year?) and some people might prefer supporting renewable energy.

    Surely there's nothing stopping people from switching to BG now and then on to Airtricity in a year if they;re cheaper then?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    MOH wrote: »
    Surely there's nothing stopping people from switching to BG now and then on to Airtricity in a year if they;re cheaper then?

    Nope there isn't, nothing there to stop people....of course it depends who's charging what and if its worth it.

    The problems that BG will have with this is often older people are scared to switch and will only stay with the ESB because they fear change and think that Bord Gais will have to fix faults, read meters etc when in reality its still ESB Networks.

    I for one have now switched...it was between BG and Airtricity for me...I was switching either way.
    Would have got 9% cheaper with Airtricity but got 12% cheaper with BG


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    rebellad wrote: »
    If am just about to sort the electricity for my new build - I was looking at the BGE website and eirtrictiy website and they only mention switching do I have to get connected to the ESB first and then switch after, it's a bit of a pain if thats the way...

    ESB Networks need to do the leg work to install the line, easiest way is get onto ESB to install the line/meter and activate the account with ESB then move to whoever you want :)

    Its no different to if you want a phone line, sure there's BT, UTV, Smart Telecom etc but Eircom are still the only company you can install the line into your house...once its installed you can go where you want

    Abit annoying but could be worse I guess


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭anniehoo


    Here we go again.

    Er thanks...but lose the sarcasm Colby Stale Creek!:rolleyes:


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    anniehoo wrote: »
    Er thanks...but lose the sarcasm Srameen!:rolleyes:

    I'd imagine Srameen is just getting tired of explaining the same thing over and over to correct people's incorrect assumptions :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,207 ✭✭✭rameire


    switched my account today, woooo 14% discount.
    no deposit required.

    might go and blow my savings on some bank shares.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 fistikuffs


    They are "reselling" nothing. Bord Gais will generate the electricity (or buy any over and above what it can produce itself from other IPPs) and pay ESB to distribute the electricity to your home. Does the Carpet Manufacturer or Retailer "resell" you the delivery man who transports the carpet to their shop and then to your home?
    Pernickedey I know but let's get it right. :)

    Maybe the fact the BG will eventually be providing some of the electricity will prevent any of that type of nonsense going on. The difference with BB was that eircom owned everything and none of the resellers have any control of the supply.

    Anyway time to be a "band wagon jumping idiot"(??) and sign up. Cheaper electricity here i come! I have dreamed of this day!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    fistikuffs wrote: »
    The difference with BB was that eircom owned everything and none of the resellers have any control of the supply.
    You've just demonstrated that you're not qualified to comment, and not just because you don't understand either ULL or bitstream broadband supply. You can't even read the thread you're commenting in, where this was already explained by at least two people.

    Go and comment on something you have a clue about and stop wasting people's time.

    adam


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,560 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    At least ESB don't have a massive connetion fee and deposit when you pay by direct debit, unlike Bord Gais :mad:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    Honest to god. The connection fee applies no matter who your supply is with, as it's installed by ESB Networks, who don't supply electricity at retail level.

    The ESB deposit is required when you don't pay by DD. As far as I can see, the same applies with Bord Gais AND Airtricity.

    adam


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,560 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    dahamsta wrote: »
    Honest to god. The connection fee applies no matter who your supply is with, as it's installed by ESB Networks, who don't supply electricity at retail level.

    The ESB deposit is required when you don't pay by DD. As far as I can see, the same applies with Bord Gais AND Airtricity.

    adam

    I'm talking about renters though. They have to pay a connection fee when the landlord already paid it to have it transferred into your name. This is charged everytime you change address! :mad: And a 200euro deposit when paying by direct debit is ridiculous. They have the account details. What more do they want? ESB are a lot more reasonable in this regard.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 fistikuffs


    dahamsta wrote: »
    You've just demonstrated that you're not qualified to comment, and not just because you don't understand either ULL or bitstream broadband supply. You can't even read the thread you're commenting in, where this was already explained by at least two people.

    Go and comment on something you have a clue about and stop wasting people's time.

    adam

    You've just demonstrated that your a cock. "Not qualified to comment" wtf does that mean?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,207 ✭✭✭rameire


    jaffa20 wrote: »
    At least ESB don't have a massive connetion fee and deposit when you pay by direct debit, unlike Bord Gais :mad:

    i dont have to pay a deposit to bg, and i changed tonight.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,560 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    rameire wrote: »
    i dont have to pay a deposit to bg, and i changed tonight.

    Homeowners don't have pay it. Their mortgage payers do.


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