Cork traffic

The stop line is before the turn onto cornmarket street so to make the turn you must cross the stop line and enter the junction - it's illegal to do this unless your light is green. To me it is pretty black and white but I understand where your view point comes from.

The line is close to the turn and this is what I think convinces drivers it is ok to make the turn - it's ok if you are only slightly breaking a rule of the road. It's the same mentality why a lot of drivers break red lights - the lights have just turned red so it is fine. And then they see other drivers doing the exact same thing so they validate that their decision to it is fine.

S.I. 182/1997 might settle the debate: https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182

the stop line at the corn market junction is exactly at the halfway point to turn right.

I do turn right all the time on red here, and often see the guards do the same. It's not cut and dry as I don't pass the stop line to make that turn right. I turn right before I hit the stop line.

Normal rules apply though that cars oncoming including those turning left from corn market street have right of way.

Thanks for that, I am not sure what to do now! I mean for over a decade I and many turn right when it's red, including the gardai.

That's not the question. The question is can you turn right if the lights are red. I say you can't, loads do anyway.

Right, so what's the story with this monumental BS? Clearly it's a trend, nothing to do with accident statistics in this spot. 3 buses passed when I was standing there (Cobh connect empty, as usual), all of them big thick black clouds behind them when driving over this obstacle. So from now on basically thousands of vehicles everyday will be releasing more exhaust gases for what exact reason? Is it safety? What is the danger here? I don't know, it's kinda funny and sad at the same time. They got the priorities wrong, other end of harbour view road needs resurfacing and they focus on this instead. Some spas.

Btw. when was this resurfaced? 4 years ago? That's some really bad mileage tbh. Patches coming soon. I don't know, if I was in city council I would do some research to see which type of roads last 10 years and maybe pay for those?

That has to be deliberate trolling, just trying to get a reaction. No one is that much of a carwanker. I suggest that if these posts aren't deleted for inappropriate language (I have reported), we just completely ignore them. I'm sure not getting a reaction will bore her.

Oh hey look everyone, Diabhalta is back in the thread.

The poster who has previously said that Cork is too hilly to cycle, that they will never get a bus, that there's nowhere in town to sit with an ice-cream, and (my personal favourite) that cars aren't the problem in Cork - pedestrians and cyclists are.

Just so everyone knows who they're dealing with.

You have no tolerance for stupidity but drive through red lights? Trollers be trolling…

I know I should ignore you but…

You say that it has “nothing to do with accident statistics in this spot”. So you favour a reactive approach to pedestrian safety, i.e. the authority shouldn’t proactively make the roads safer but should instead wait until there’s a good few deaths or life-changing injuries?

You ask what the danger is here. Have a quick chat with your favourite LLM and you’ll see that, worldwide, scores if not hundreds of pedestrians are killed every year when using a crossing on their green light. The most common causes are driver inattention or inebriation. Pedestrian-safe infrastructure mitigates dangers like this by forcing vehicles to slow down. Every 5kph shaved off speed dramatically reduces the risk of serious injury or death.

And in the case of this particular location, I would suggest that the presence of the bus stop immediately before the crossing means that the light on that side of the road is going to be obscured when a bus has stopped, i.e. increased risk precisely when people who have just got off the bus are wanting to cross the road.

Did a right job on the bridge…

https://x.com/OSullivanJennie/status/1790647530616758681

Was that in Douglas ? And in the paper?

Cork drivers are really really nice in comparison to Dublin drivers. Even I've stopped being an a**ehole when driving and let people out, wave to say thanks and that.

Took me a few months though!