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Cork traffic

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭beer enigma


    In fairness to the Gardai, they openly said they wouldnt police it as they disagreed with the change in traffic flow when it was announced saying it would cause chaos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,703 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Are the guards allowed pick and choose what laws they enforce?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭beer enigma


    They have the right to prioritise given resources.



  • Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭BagofWeed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,012 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Yeah, thats a disgraceful statement from the Gardai.

    In other news, I've decided to potter along in the left lane all along the N40W in the morning, behind whatever lorries (and East Cork Crane Hire, ugh) that is there, even if it slows me down. The right lane is a free-for-all of tailgating. Much better to stay in the left lane and just take it easy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,264 ✭✭✭Be right back


    The male driver in the 10 C Citroën picasso driving south to the tunnel holding his phone while apparently face timing someone.. 😡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,280 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I counted 4 drivers with their phone in their hand during one sequence of the lights at the opera house the other day. About 10 cars passed me. 40% on their phone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,506 ✭✭✭Acosta


    What is it with all the drivers around Cork indicating right, when they're driving straight through(usually second exit) a roundabout?? It's so annoying. I'm driving 20 years, but it's only something I've noticed that's been getting worse over the last few years. The rules of the road tell us that when it comes to indicating at a roundabout, you think of it as a clock. You only indicate right when you're going past 12am.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Gamb!t


    Was there a crash today, never seen the traffic so bad approaching the link this morning ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,280 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Two, I believe. One in Douglas and one in Mahon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,703 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Buddy of mine took 1 hour 40 mins to get to town from Passage today. Gross.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Bad accident on carrs hill earlier car veered into truck which overturned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    It stops the lad waiting at the first exit from shooting out on front of you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,506 ✭✭✭Acosta


    If he knows how to indicate, he should stay put, unless you're indicating left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Traffic wardens working today for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭TheChizler




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Curb Your Enthusiasm


    They are now rostered 7 days a week which is much needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Didn't know that helps stop the stupid parking you would see on a Sunday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,703 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    What is it about the quays that makes people ignore the rules of the road? If you come up the quay you have the idiots blocking traffic by trying to turn right onto Christy Ring bridge. Further up then you have cars that are coming down the quay and turn right down Cornmarket Street regardless of whether the lights at the coal quay are red or green. And then you have cars that turn right onto North Gate Bridge even if the light to turn right is red.

    No enforcement anywhere I guess…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,280 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    There's a lot of light running and illegal turning in that area, for sure. I'm always banging on about it. However, you are wrong about cars turning right onto Cornmarket street. That junction is before the traffic lights and does not have a pedestrian crossing. If turning right, there, when the lights are red, you aren't going through any red light - you are taking a right turn before you get to or pass through any red light. Study the junction next time you're there. To break a red light you have to pass one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,703 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    It's just on the line surely? If your lights aren't green then you're crossing the line of traffic coming around the corner from cornmarket street or down the quay?

    Badly designed layout anyway regardless of whether that one street is or is not controlled by those lights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,280 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I don't understand what you mean by, "just on the line". You either pass through the lights or you don't. This turning is before the traffic lights. The lights are, literally after the turn. Yes, it's close to the other junction but it's before the traffic lights.

    Same as turning right anywhere - you have to cross oncoming traffic to turn right. I don't see the problem with this junction. There is a problem with drivers breaking the lights like there is at pretty much every junction, though.

    Post edited by the beer revolu on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Is it not the position of the stop line that's important, not the lights themselves? The stop line is before the right turn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,280 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    This is a good point/question.

    I have, however, thought of a situation where the stop line is dependant on where you are going.

    You are on Lavitt's Quay, by the Opera House, wanting to turn left onto Christie Ring Bridge. The left lane goes left onto the bridge and also straight ahead. If you wish to go straight ahead and the lights are red for straight ahead, then the stop line applies to you. If you are going left onto the bridge and have a left filter, obviously, the stop line doesn't apply to you. So, the same stop line, in the same place appears to have different meanings, dependant on where you are going. (also it seems most people don't realise that you can go straight ahead from the left lane here, and people get honked at for not proceeding onto the bridge when the left filter comes on, despite there still being a red for straight ahead)

    So, similarly, at the top of Cornmarket Street, I'm claiming that the stop line applies if you are going straight ahead, but not if you are turning right as you can do both from the same lane.

    To me, it's obvious that if turning right, the lights don't apply to you but to others it isn't. It would be interesting to see how it might play out in court.

    Post edited by the beer revolu on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 trackrunner


    But the situation you describe from Lavitt's Quay onto Christy Ring Bridge is not the same as cornmarket street. You're describing a situation where you have 1 stop line and two different lights depending if you want to go left or straight - in either case you do not cross the stop line until the relevant light is green for you to proceed.

    I don't think there is any situation where you are allowed cross a stop line when your light is red - this is what happens turning onto cornmarket street. What's even worse cars also regularly cross a solid white line to overtake traffic stopped at the lights to make this illegal turn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Schorpio


    I don't think you'd be very successful in court!

    The stop line is what's important, and it is set back from the radius of the corner. That means that you should encounter the stop line before you come to the junction.

    Also, there is a painted marking on the approach to the lights, showing straight and right-turn movements. The purpose of the marking is to show drivers in advance which movements are permitted in the lane at the upcoming signalised junction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,280 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    But my argument is that the lights are not red for you if you are turning right, therefore the stop line does not apply to you. Just as it doesn't apply to you turning left in the situation I described earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,280 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    In other traffic news, someone took out the traffic lights at the corner of Merchants Quay.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,703 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I feel you are entering the junction by crossing the line, no? And entering the junction (to either proceed straight on or turn right) are controlled by the traffic lights?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 trackrunner


    The stop line is before the turn onto cornmarket street so to make the turn you must cross the stop line and enter the junction - it's illegal to do this unless your light is green. To me it is pretty black and white but I understand where your view point comes from.

    The line is close to the turn and this is what I think convinces drivers it is ok to make the turn - it's ok if you are only slightly breaking a rule of the road. It's the same mentality why a lot of drivers break red lights - the lights have just turned red so it is fine. And then they see other drivers doing the exact same thing so they validate that their decision to it is fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    If the lights are red and there is no green filter you must not pass the stop line. That is the law. If you had a green filter you could of course go but there isn't one here so the light that applies here is the red



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭cantalach


    S.I. 182/1997 might settle the debate: https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭ofcork


    People taking the right turn from York Hill onto summer hill north is doing my head in, deliberately turning right at St Luke's to go down Wellington road and avoid the queue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭flexcon


    the stop line at the corn market junction is exactly at the halfway point to turn right.

    I do turn right all the time on red here, and often see the guards do the same. It's not cut and dry as I don't pass the stop line to make that turn right. I turn right before I hit the stop line.

    Normal rules apply though that cars oncoming including those turning left from corn market street have right of way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    This stop line? For clarity, the advance stop line, not the line marking the top of the bike box?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭flexcon


    Thanks for that, I am not sure what to do now! I mean for over a decade I and many turn right when it's red, including the gardai.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭ofcork


    You are allowed to turn right there the road markings including a right turn arrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,703 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    That's not the question. The question is can you turn right if the lights are red. I say you can't, loads do anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Not on the red nose wait for the green.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Pedestrian wanting to cross on the cornmarket street side towards the Bridewell would actually have no safe time to cross.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭whatever76


    don't get me started on that one , drives me mad and the looks I get when I try to turn up as if I am at fault. They need to put in those traffic sticks or something in the middle of road to stop people doing it .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    Right, so what's the story with this monumental BS? Clearly it's a trend, nothing to do with accident statistics in this spot. 3 buses passed when I was standing there (Cobh connect empty, as usual), all of them big thick black clouds behind them when driving over this obstacle. So from now on basically thousands of vehicles everyday will be releasing more exhaust gases for what exact reason? Is it safety? What is the danger here? I don't know, it's kinda funny and sad at the same time. They got the priorities wrong, other end of harbour view road needs resurfacing and they focus on this instead. Some spas.

    Btw. when was this resurfaced? 4 years ago? That's some really bad mileage tbh. Patches coming soon. I don't know, if I was in city council I would do some research to see which type of roads last 10 years and maybe pay for those?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    This bus is only 5 minutes late, that's impressive.

    I feel so sorry for anyone who uses public transport and have no car. Their life sucks so bad. Every time I'm passing a bus stop, I'm thinking.. poor bastards. I genuinely feel sorry for them.

    I noticed some new bus shelters with benches built here and there. Well only 50 years late but ok. It's handy when you're waiting for a bus and it's not coming, 10 minutes late.. 20 minutes late still nothing. You can sit down and sit under a roof if it's raining.

    So clever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,280 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    That has to be deliberate trolling, just trying to get a reaction. No one is that much of a carwanker. I suggest that if these posts aren't deleted for inappropriate language (I have reported), we just completely ignore them. I'm sure not getting a reaction will bore her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    DMURS, latest road design manuals and the Harbour View Road scheme are the reasons for that raised table. They're enforcing drivers to at least slow down, where they're sometimes tempted to just blaze through a crossing. There's a big problem with drivers just ignoring red lights: phone usage and lack of enforcement.

    The Cobh Connect service is very well subscribed, I know lots of people who use it daily: looks like a great success so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Schorpio


    Oh hey look everyone, Diabhalta is back in the thread.

    The poster who has previously said that Cork is too hilly to cycle, that they will never get a bus, that there's nowhere in town to sit with an ice-cream, and (my personal favourite) that cars aren't the problem in Cork - pedestrians and cyclists are.

    Just so everyone knows who they're dealing with.

    Post edited by Schorpio on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,742 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    Blaze through, with a roundabout right up there meters away? Is 30-40 km/h blaze through do you think? If a pedestrian wants to cross the road they can simply press the button and wait. Passing cars have no effect whatsoever on them. So we're gonna just ignore the negative environmental impact? How many people cross this road here in average in one hour? This raised pedestrian crossing is stupid. That's what it is.

    Problem with pedestrians is that they press the button when there's no cars around, look around and immediately cross the road and then bunch of cars seconds later wait at a red light for no reason. It's a regular occurrence. I have no tolerance for stupidity, I just ignore the red light and keep driving (while slowing down of course). I don't want it to be too obvious. It just shows how stupid people are really.

    I see Cobh connect on cathedral road on regular basis completely empty. It almost always leaves Apple empty too. It's a waste of diesel that's what it is. Plus, the bus is too big, same as Apple bus. It's an inter city bus, not a city bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,703 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    You have no tolerance for stupidity but drive through red lights? Trollers be trolling…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    On a related note, there's some nice stuff going through public consultation the last year or two (and more in the next few months). City Council have been a bit of a laggard in the past, but look at how much they're doing now! I'm using my car less and using sustainable transport more because it's cheap and convenient. Never thought we'd get here.



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