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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    The divisional sides probably would be stronger than some counties, it's true, for now at least. But this is all the more reason for a split of Dublin- rather than concentrating the unfair advantages, you'd be dispersing them among several which is far, far better for the GAA. Plus it would help the tournament as a whole as there would no longer be one single team uniquely unfairly advantaged. Without a split, we'll see a decline in interest, participation, attendances etc. as we have already seen in Leinster.

    Hurling does need to be split too- we're more concerned about competing off an unfair platform, rather than just who wins or loses every year. None of us have any problem with success, periods of dominance etc. as long as they come fairly. This hasn't been the case for Dublin though unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Now it was a big upset but tough to see Mayo get past the likes of Antrim who will surely walk the Ulster championship with their huge population advantage. There wont be a pallet burned for a week in Ballymena in celebration of Antrims inevitable Ulster success based on their huge population (all of whom like Dublin & New York definitely take part in Gaelic games) .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    I wouldn't worry there- Antrim don't have the insane combination of advantages in population, funding and home pitch advantages over Mayo as Dublin do over everyone else, so they'll be competing on a level playing field at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Right thats just New York



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    I'm glad you accept that point. It doesn't apply to New York either. Even on population, for the reasons that have previously been outline.

    Dublin alone has the unique combination, nature, scale and duration of advantages.advantages in population, funding and playing at home. That's why people tend to focus on them, it's not out of animosity. It's also why Dublin alone should be split.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    So with New York and London shocking early exits its clear Galway will win Connacht in football and no doubt Antrim , Cork and Dublin will win both the football & hurling in the other provinces with their massive population advantages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Again, Dublin are the only county uniquely unfairly advantaged. Not just in population but funding, playing at home etc as well. Their unique set of circumstances doesn't apply to Antrim, Cork or Galway, or indeed any other county. That's what Dublin alone should be split.

    Also, even in Dublin's case, the unfair advantages don't guarantee success- they just make it far more likely than if they were competing on a level playing field, and enable Dublin to win more games than they otherwise would, but they don't ensure it 100%. For instance, Dublin lost to Meath in 2010 (their last loss in the once great Leinster Championship) despite their unfair advantages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Really unfair Kerry have to play football in a province with Cork and Limerick. No chance they can compete against those bigger populations. Hand the trophy to Cork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I agree, those Kerry divisional sides would be stronger than some counties. They also have agreed home stadiums. Let them loose on the Munster Championship and maybe a county other than Kerry would benefit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,479 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Again we have diversion with ridiculous comparisons. How about we use the number of Irish passport holders in each as a basis for comparison? That gives some accommodation for immigrants etc in Dublin so that it only has one million to pick from.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    would a more fair way to experiment be the introduction of a Dublin B team in Leiinster championship and League. such as O`Byrne Cup team that represents Dublin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,479 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Yes. Not everyone in Antrim has an Irish passport. Another possibility is to discount Irish populations by the size of the unionist vote. What is the size of the unionist vote in Dublin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Are non Irish passport holders not allowed play GAA?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Nah, it's still a fair competition there, unlike Leinster. Dublin alone are uniquely unfairly advantaged. Splitting Dublin would enhance the Munster Championship too by the way, just as it would enhance all other parts of the All-Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Yeah you tried making this joke before and it fell flat on its face. It's just not funny, or at least, the way you are delivering it is not funny. Try harder or differently.

    I will say this though- only Dublin should be split as they are the only county with the unfair advantages of population, funding and home pitch advantage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Potentially this would be a start- maybe Dublin A, B, C and D teams divided on geographical grounds, with no option of playing for multiple teams and only limited transfer options, like in other counties. With shared stadiums for home matches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    They are, but ultimately Gaelic Games are almost exclusively played by Gaelic people or those who identify as such. Which is why the New York comparison doesn't work.

    We could perhaps conclude that rather than just raw population, compare maybe members or playing age adult population- unfortunately no matter what metric we take for population, we are forced to conclude that the GAA should split Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Agreed. So here are the hurling playing populations per county as published by the GAA in 2022

    Cork (25,600), Tipperary (14,260), Dublin (13,980), Galway (12,520), and Kilkenny (10,080), Limerick (9,980).

    Time to split Cork in two for hurling! Almost double the playing population of the next team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    If that's accurate, that reflects really badly on Dublin given the amount of Games Development funding they have received in recent decades! Not to mention sponsorship money, exclusive money from the Irish government etc.

    But anyway, that's incorrect. Cork don't have the unfair advantages that Dublin do. We can't split by code unfortunately; we have to take all members as we've said. But it's not just about population- it's the unique combination, nature, scale and duration of all Dublin'Dublin's advantages Population AND funding AND home advantage etc that means Dublin should be split. This has been proven repeatedly.

    Even if your conclusion is wrong in this case, I am glad you are willing to accept that population advantages are grounds for a split of county teams. I expect to see you advocating for a split of Dublin in your coming posts now!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    So we have New York, Antrim, Cork and Dublin so far who clearly need to be split..next London & Galway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    That famous Dublin wit! Deliberately misunderstanding the points being made is really funny stuff. Keep it up!

    But no, of the counties listed, just split Dublin- as they're the only county unfairly advantaged over all others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Interesting piece on OTB now, not a single pitch in Dublin 8 for GAA or any other sport , an area with 50,000 people. Another unique advantage for Dublin. Maybe split Dublin 8 too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭munster87


    What's the code of the Phoenix Park? There not a pitch in Island Bridge?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Sporting Liberties…not a single pitch for over 8000 kids and over 50000 people but if the GAA fund even one pitch some bitter fools will call it 'financial doping' or Dublin having 'unique advantages'… GAA gave funding to address unique disadvantages of kids in lots of parts of Dublin having absolutely no access to playing Gaelic Games and hopefully continue to do so and in any other part of the country too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Phoenix Park less than 1km away, also the Synge Street pitch just over the canal on Crumlin Road, just excuses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Even if this is true, I'm sure there are pitches that are geographically closer to people there than in many rural areas. It's really difficult to find any areas where Dublin are genuinely at a disadvantage compared to other counties. Not Dublin's fault of course and some things are more consequential than others, but the advantages still do need to be addressed, for the good of the organisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    Drop the passive aggressiveness. We all want to help Dublin GAA; I do at the very least. I and others have already addressed this misleading statistic about Dublin 8, but the point is that while I want to help kids in Dublin, I don't want to help them exclusively, or at the expense of everyone else, which is what the GAA did. I want kids in all counties to be helped.

    You've yet to provide evidence that people in Dublin 8 are materially disadvantaged vs everyone, but even if they were, there can be no doubt that across Dublin as a whole that Dublin are uniquely advantaged over everyone else. And yes, the facilities in Dublin are often better and more accessible than in other parts of the country too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Any word on Fenton's appeal?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    How is there not a single pitch for 8000 kids. Are they all restricted inside the Dublin 8 area by some invisible force field?

    Me and my kids live in Dublin 8, and we are (at most) 10 minutes walk from 3 separate pitches in different areas. About a 3 minute drive from a few more. When I lived out the country and played GAA there, I had to drive 7 miles to the one pitch in a 10 mile radius to go training.

    If there are no pitches in a certain area of Dublin, it may be due to suitable land availability, infrastructure etc. But those area boundaries don't mean anything. There are still GAA clubs and pitches which are walking distance for most people around that area and most areas in Dublin.

    Basically, it is just a sensationalist headline - trying to make a story when in reality it is completely irrelevant.



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