Deposit return scheme (recycling)

Stick to the e1.00 bottled water or is that e1.15 minimum donation now.Went thru before the start of scheme

It will take it's time. After the smoking ban there were still idiots smoking, after the plastic bag levy there were still people buying plastic bags cause they just took time to get used to it.

However, the unfortunate reality is that there'll always be people that dump or burn rubbish.

Hopefully, in time people will see the value in them instead of throwing them away or burning them but these types are mainly mouth breathers and tend to be really slow on the uptake.

People get up in arms about about what "the Government" are supposed to making us ingest (Chem trails etc) - and this THMs is actually a real thing and no-one is talking about it…. I dunno - where are the conspiracy theorists when you need them?

And it's 1.50 in the Boots right beside it (in terminal 1 anyway)

So this statement is an outright lie:

"At €2, our 500ml cartons remain the cheapest water available to purchase at the airport."

It's 50 cents cheaper for a 500ml plastic bottle right beside it

Exactly - the wino RVM pentathlon:

1. hope to find 9 undamaged cans
2. hope to find a working RVM
3. hope it doesnt reject any cans or malfunction
4. hope the voucher scans at the till
5. hope there's a manager to sort it out if it doesnt scan

1st prize. 1 can of cider.

or:

1. Rob it.

"Its more critical if the return rate is less than forecast, or if to counter a low return rate a higher deposit is selected in the future"

this is exactly what i was fearing, and mentioned a couple posts back the other day when someone told me to stop returning bottles. It's also my same knee-jerk reaction to people making it a point to use their green or black bins rather then bothering to reclaim the deposits. A Higher deposit being a bigger incentive to encourage coerce more people into partaking in the scheme and to playing ball with the RVMs. The way i see it, if they don't get the stat numbers they need for recycling, they could easily double down and punish the public more for not recycling enough by introducing a higher deposit.

Also a higher deposit is more in returns pocket if not returned. if returned they get the numbers they desire. is the best current move to just give them our recycleables? is refusing to give it to them only gonna punish us more in future? what is the right move to make? the way i see it at the moment is "giving our containers to the rvms (when they work) = less money in returns pocket. a can is around just under 2 cent in scrap value in returns pocket, and a plastic bottle is nearly worthless, but an unclaimed deposit for a can is 15 cent in their pocket, and an unclaimed deposit of a plastic bottle is 15-25cent in their pocket (depending on size)."

If you're referring to me its a valid case for how the scheme compares to other countries. Its been posted several times before on thread that you see homeless in Germany gathering up containers to reduce litter as a benefit of an RVM scheme. My pentathlon example was in jest to point out the improvements that need to be made here for it to be worth it in said scenario. Maybe it reads in bad taste but that wasnt my intention.

Tried to return a bunch of coke 2l bottles to a supervalu, but the machine kept giving an error saving they should be empty.

They were empty, I tried a few of them and nothing.

I know. I've used them. You can return your crate of beer with 24 bottles in one go. They don't work off barcodes, but the physical dimensions/weight. Arguably, one thing less to go wrong in the overall system. Any can or bottle bought anywhere can be used in any RVM.

Ive said it before, any time we try to do something in this country we feel the need to "future proof" it, read: over engineer it, and then wonder why it doesn't work as well as in other countries.

Except in the RePack submission they do not mention specifically viewing the "perfect" German system.

Haven't had the need to use these RVMs yet, I buy very little cans or bottles. In interests of seeing what it's all about, I stood watching the machines in Dunnes today. 3 people with a variety of bottles and cans were using 3 different machines. Person 1 had a 66% success rate and dumped the third bottle into an ordinary waste bin beside the machines. Persons 2 & 3 had varying success rates and ended up taking 3/4 cans and bottles each back to their cars.

Did my shopping and went back to watch the machines again (I've a sad but curious life). By this time 2 of the machines were no longer working and a queue of 7 people were standing waiting to use the machine as the man at the head of the queue was repeatedly putting the same bottle into the machine and getting it rejected repeatedly.

Currently I have 1 orange juice bottle almost empty & waiting to be returned. I won't be a particular hurry to bring it to claim my refund but guaranteed that if I don't get the refund, I won't be leaving the customer service area until I get my refund.