Deposit return scheme (recycling)

exactly, or the money means that much to them. Otherwise they would'nt bother, like alot of people are doing and opting out of the scheme by not buying items that bear the deposit, or just simply putting items in their green bin as usual and not returning them the way re-turn wants them and sucking up the loss via deposit.

You do realize the whole premise of the scheme is to give them free help with feeding recycling numbers into their machines, or get taxed if you dont help them for whatever reason?

it's interesting to think about and one would assume this is the case for alot of things. Something weird i stumbled upon though related to that sort of implementation (one would assume to be unique) are phone numbers and bank account numbers. An old place i used to live in a long time ago had a house phone put in, and random people kept phoning the number asking for such and such person. It turned out the phone company re-used an old number from like 8 years ago previously that was still active but the people had'nt paid the bill or got disconnected or something, and these people were living in an entirely different area. To this very day it still makes no sense to me.

The same could be for banks and dormant accounts, and their rush to delete records as soon as the account reaches 5 years inactive or 7. (yet people are meant to have 15 years to reclaim an account). My point being (and how tis relevent to what you're saying, ie unique codes etc) are they running out of numbers to use or something? codes that are meant to be unique, were they simply never unique to begin with or just randomized? are we being givin an illusion of uniqeness as a cheaper alternative to actually implementing proper security in this rvm system?

we already know of alot of the security flaws and mistakes that come with this rvm lark, one example was a person on the liveline thread using a toilet roll thingy with a barcode on it (something i'm still unsure of if true, but found it funny anyway) and even the tik tok videos that had been posted here of people using a barcode generator and printing out stickers to put onto containers.

Perhaps illusion is a cheaper form of security and deterrent than actually upgrading the security in the machines and scheme itself?? this is simular to the reasoning of dummy cctv camera's being placed in some places. The threat/illusion of security being more cheaper than the actual thing. A friend of mine from america who worked like 15 years in TSA doing airport security says its similar to what they do.

i definitely think it has gotten worse, not just because of the usual people being careless and leaving trash around as they normally would, but ALSO because some people who never did it before are now leaving undamaged cans and bottles around the place and feeling like they're doing good for the environment or rightous as they've paid a deposit and thinking someone else is gonna redeem it. What many fail to realize is that the elements and the usual traffic and what not can easily damage those cans/bottles, rendering them useless. its just adding more waste, with the potential of it then becoming useless waste if it gets damaged.

And don't get me started about it being windy lol, these cans pose a threat to drivers, and a danger to any kids running down the street to get can they see blowing down the road. Almost seen someone get knocked down chasing a can. It's not worth risking ones life for 15 cents.

they don't do it because they know someone is going to pick it up for them.

the person picking it up is obviously doing it for the money, or less likely for the environment. As for the person newly littering, they feel allowed as they have paid their deposit, and its somehow meant to justify it or make it okay as they paid upfront for it.

The ceo saying people can just come and pick it up does'nt really help either. it would be better to stop littering rather than telling people to go pick up other peoples litter from the road for the off chance they could make money from reclaiming the deposit on it.

it counters the whole purpose of "don't throw away what we want to recycle because you're throwing away money" thing, defeating it entirely with "ahh sure, throw it away. it'll be grand as someone else will/might pick it up anyway so its all good. we we dont care because we win either way, infact if no one claims the deposit thats more money in our pocket and less in the publics pocket."

aldi seems to have staff on hand that actually know about how to fix the machines, a regular staff trained to also handle the machine it seems. But many of the other places i've seen that if the machines break down, they're left waiting on "someone being sent out to fix it" lark, which can be anywhere from 3 days to over a week. Every so often someone might just come out from the back with a long brush thing, poke the inside of the machine and slam the side of it, and bobs your uncle if lucky.

The whole "we copied elsewhere" lecture that alot of people like to give in favor and support of scheme seems to overlook alot of things, one of them being that we only copied the minimum barebones basic idea's of the scheme in other countries and not the whole entire thing. i'm not sure how people can think we can copy some other country's scheme and then somehow magically gain the same success as they did, without us actually putting in the same amount of effort. it's beyond me.

All stores with an RVM in my opinion should be lectured on the scheme, and how it works, and have atleast 2 workers mandatory that know how to fix the machine if any problems arise. None of this "out-of-order" or "machine is down, waiting for someone to come out to fix it" lark. Workers should also be thought how to minus the deposit voucher off of ones shopping if they choose to have it taken off their shopping instead of insisting customers to take cash and then use that cash. Also the cashier's should be informed that people have a choice of getting cash and not a scenerio arising where they're told they can only spend the money instore like what happened me a week ago lol.

i do all the time, nice little earner. 1 euro for a 1-2 minute job while i'm already passing by them anyway. never in the likes of aldi or lidl trollies (maybe twice in my entire life). But always dunnes and tescos trollies i see left around with a euro in them, especially on days where its raining or when the person parks in a spot that is inconvenienced by no nearby trolly return places. if i'm feeling adventurous its usually a race between myself and the store's own designated trolly person to see who can get to trolly first.

i gotta admit quite often though its a 20 cent coin in the trolley, or worse, nothing lmao! i also have a collection of like 50 or so trolley coins.

for any person that struggles to collect enough cans/bottles, the trollies thing is faster money. a trolley with a euro in it is the equivalent of returning x7 cans to an RVM. Sometimes a trolley may not have a coin inside of it, or something like a 20 cent so it can be a bit of a gamble. but so can finding a bottle/can in the street undamged, only to turn it over and discover there's no return logo on it.

Fortunately for the latter, by june 1st all cans and bottles apparently will have the return logo. still though both of these things require people to act like vulture's of not already bringing their own things back.

exactly, a boycott like some are already doing. others are still choosing to buy them and feeling the sting of the deposit but recycling them in the green bin. Some are even talking about going up to the north instead so they can get the cans, and cheaper too, and without any deposit.

to each their own. i'm against the scheme, but not against making money from it. The average person bringing back their own item's isnt gonna make money off of it unfortunately as they're just getting back their own money they paid on purchase.

yeah, alot of people are with you on this. if they put the barcodes at the base bottom of the can then we could crush and still get deposits back. And damaged cans would no longer be a problem in reclaiming our deposits. Would even make storage easier and also would ensure that more cans get recycles, thus helping reaching our target goals of 90% much quicker.

At times it feels like the system is set up to fail. Re-turn makes more money from people not getting their deposits back. it would explain the hoops people have to jump through just to get their own money back, but at the same time its madness. Would be much nicer if it was government funded or something, where people get rewarded for their efforts, instead of being expected to do free work and help reach target recycling goals getting nothing in return but their own money. Breaking even via our deposit should'nt be a reward. The reward should come from whoevers pocket wants us to reach the target goals. whole scheme is manipulative and based on a punishment based incentive instead of rewarding people for their help its bullying/extorting them for help. And holding their deposits as ransom if they do not comply.

yeah i reckon it either said that, or FAIL. it could also be possible that the codes are not unique and that the reason why we are required to use it in the same store we got the deposit voucher from, could be because it may work in other stores or screw with their system. imagine if re-turn were re-imbursing numerous stores with the same deposit receipt and number, would be chaos. Re-turn would become bankrupt.

Seriously though there's alot of things in this scheme that still don't make sense or that people can't get their head around. i cant get my head around how a person is able to use a toilet roll insert and get paid, i mean i understand it but i don't understand why the lack of security in the machine. It's like how some stores cheap out on certain aspects of security, it appears re-turn cheaped out on the RVM's in some regard. We simply can't duplicate the success of other countries running their own deposit schemes, when ireland has cheapened out on theirs. Machines are constantly down in some areas. Some other counteries with the scheme even have machines that take multiple depositable items at a time, we only get a 1 item at a time, machine.