Deposit return scheme (recycling)

A simple thing to do.See in all shops when you want a receipt credited to your store card for points

exactly, or the money means that much to them. Otherwise they would'nt bother, like alot of people are doing and opting out of the scheme by not buying items that bear the deposit, or just simply putting items in their green bin as usual and not returning them the way re-turn wants them and sucking up the loss via deposit.

You do realize the whole premise of the scheme is to give them free help with feeding recycling numbers into their machines, or get taxed if you dont help them for whatever reason?

it's interesting to think about and one would assume this is the case for alot of things. Something weird i stumbled upon though related to that sort of implementation (one would assume to be unique) are phone numbers and bank account numbers. An old place i used to live in a long time ago had a house phone put in, and random people kept phoning the number asking for such and such person. It turned out the phone company re-used an old number from like 8 years ago previously that was still active but the people had'nt paid the bill or got disconnected or something, and these people were living in an entirely different area. To this very day it still makes no sense to me.

The same could be for banks and dormant accounts, and their rush to delete records as soon as the account reaches 5 years inactive or 7. (yet people are meant to have 15 years to reclaim an account). My point being (and how tis relevent to what you're saying, ie unique codes etc) are they running out of numbers to use or something? codes that are meant to be unique, were they simply never unique to begin with or just randomized? are we being givin an illusion of uniqeness as a cheaper alternative to actually implementing proper security in this rvm system?

we already know of alot of the security flaws and mistakes that come with this rvm lark, one example was a person on the liveline thread using a toilet roll thingy with a barcode on it (something i'm still unsure of if true, but found it funny anyway) and even the tik tok videos that had been posted here of people using a barcode generator and printing out stickers to put onto containers.

Perhaps illusion is a cheaper form of security and deterrent than actually upgrading the security in the machines and scheme itself?? this is simular to the reasoning of dummy cctv camera's being placed in some places. The threat/illusion of security being more cheaper than the actual thing. A friend of mine from america who worked like 15 years in TSA doing airport security says its similar to what they do.

You were enquiring about legality and the fact that a cash option is available covers them to the letter of the law.

Of course if they make it difficult to get cash that's a nuisance

I think sales to people on the move will be affected as outlined in my other post.

The bins are off topic but the bin companies do come under legislation and are all licensed.

There is no requirement to wash cans, just present them completely empty.

I was at cinema the other week. As I was leaving a couple in front of me threw their bottles of water into bin, then stopped, went back and pulled them out because of the deposit.

I know that personally I'm recycling more of stuff if have out and about, I would previously put into bin but now I'm saving for the vending machines.

It seems to be worse than that as a local Aldi store issues a docket that says it can only be redeemed in that particular Aldi store.

When the Dail returns, Ossian Minister for the Circular Deposits and Return need to be hauled in and asked to explain themselves. They are engaged in taking money from the public without providing adequate means to recover it. That's thievery.

i definitely think it has gotten worse, not just because of the usual people being careless and leaving trash around as they normally would, but ALSO because some people who never did it before are now leaving undamaged cans and bottles around the place and feeling like they're doing good for the environment or rightous as they've paid a deposit and thinking someone else is gonna redeem it. What many fail to realize is that the elements and the usual traffic and what not can easily damage those cans/bottles, rendering them useless. its just adding more waste, with the potential of it then becoming useless waste if it gets damaged.

And don't get me started about it being windy lol, these cans pose a threat to drivers, and a danger to any kids running down the street to get can they see blowing down the road. Almost seen someone get knocked down chasing a can. It's not worth risking ones life for 15 cents.

they don't do it because they know someone is going to pick it up for them.

the person picking it up is obviously doing it for the money, or less likely for the environment. As for the person newly littering, they feel allowed as they have paid their deposit, and its somehow meant to justify it or make it okay as they paid upfront for it.

The ceo saying people can just come and pick it up does'nt really help either. it would be better to stop littering rather than telling people to go pick up other peoples litter from the road for the off chance they could make money from reclaiming the deposit on it.

it counters the whole purpose of "don't throw away what we want to recycle because you're throwing away money" thing, defeating it entirely with "ahh sure, throw it away. it'll be grand as someone else will/might pick it up anyway so its all good. we we dont care because we win either way, infact if no one claims the deposit thats more money in our pocket and less in the publics pocket."

If the machines out of order shop should be obliged to take manuals as iirc is the case in some other countries. And we are lectured we just copied what worked elsewhere...

Only way the shops will sort it quick is if the hassle rebounds on them.

That's just bad UX and design. You're not going to change how people will behave around a machine. If they aren't capable of dealing with how people are loading bottles, it's a poor design.

I found it got a bit fussy with one can and had to load it several times. No idea why.

Also, depending on your height / eyesight etc you're not going necessarily see in. Most people aren't that focused on the screen, they'll be looking at the slot.

I'd also worry a little that someone's going to shove their hand into the mechanism to unclog it.

They are a one time code. I thought I hadn't scanned on on a SuperValu self checkout and it said 'this voucher has already been used.'.

Cinemas, cafes etc etc are all exempt and most of them don't seem to provide any recycle bins. I know though people are also muppets and will put normal rubbish into recycling bins when they are there because they are just too lazy to even look - you end up with a sticky mess and it's some poor unfortunate's job to clean it out - then add difficulty recruiting staff and it's just not going to happen.

I hate to say it, but despite all the talk here, most people do not give a flying feck about the environment in reality. They will just go on big rants about the government etc etc, they'll turn up for climate change political stuff, and then won't interact with simple things like segregated waste bins. I mean, look at the utter garbage pile left at most festivals, on beaches etc etc. There's a significant % of the public who simply do not give a damn.

Take something simple: If you go to let's say France, Germany, the Netherlands etc, if you go to some take away place with trays, people will typically clear their own tables into the bins provided. Irish people very frequently just walk away expecting the butler to do it. I had an utterly cringe experience in the Netherlands with a group of students who did that and got themselves lectured by a random customer.

Also our plastic use is WAY higher than most EU countries on a per capita basis, and I have yet to see any explanation as to why this is the case. We are clearly doing something unusual.

There is a cultural thing here about being unable to control litter etc etc too. I think we need to tackle some rather more fundamental things than just rolling out complex German inspired recycling systems.

I don't think this RVM scheme will have all that much impact as it's a bit of a pain in the rear to use for a lot of people.

All supermarkets have their own system so it might be location dependent

I don't disagree, there is an underlying issue there. However the provision of recycle bins in public spaces is at least one thing that could be improved upon, if only to give people an option.

All I can tell you is knowing people who've managed food services places that have tried this they ended up with a recycle bin load of remnants to takeaways, tissues, food waste, even a nappy in one case.

They tried better placement, improved signage etc and it made absolutely no difference. The bins would just get used at random. They tried asking a staff member to politely mention it to people and that ended up in their being told to f**k off and threatened. It just ended up being a hiding to nothing and they gave up.

I mean, quite seriously a good 25% of the population seem to just assume there's a butler there to clean up after them.

It is something we need to more about and it is shameful that it's a problem.

I remember even as a teenager having to go around and clean our housing estate with the 'litter wardens' and it was in a fairly nice area, but you'd find cans, bottles, crisp packets, all sorts of crap stuck in flowerbeds and hedges. It's really shocking how little people care.

I put a skip outside and one of my neighbours filled it with the contents of their house clean out a couple of years ago and we encountered a middle aged woman throwing her garden waste over someone's back wall ffs! Literally pulled up in a SUV, parked on a grass margin and flung the contents of about 3 black bags of grass clippings over a hedge!

So, yeah ... I'm just VERY sceptical about the great Irish public's willingness to use a convoluted deposit return scheme.