Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Deposit return scheme (recycling)

Options
199100102104105193

Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 35,858 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Has anyone done manual returns, and how does it work. Are cans/bottles added up manually, or are they still scanned and still prone to rejection even though they carry the logo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I suppose that would kinda explain it alright - paying the deposit is a licence to litter kinda idea. Wouldn't be the first thought in my head but can see why some might think that. Sure they'll be able to hire a few extra council staff to clean up using my deposits etc etc

    So have I voted down the years and it's generally a good idea I find to punish parties for what they do, more so than what they spout on about. Same in life, judge by what people do and not what they say. That's what the electorate does. And in the upcoming locals we'll have the opportunity.

    As for comparison between shopping trolleys and cans, that's scraping the barrel for god's sake.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    aldi seems to have staff on hand that actually know about how to fix the machines, a regular staff trained to also handle the machine it seems. But many of the other places i've seen that if the machines break down, they're left waiting on "someone being sent out to fix it" lark, which can be anywhere from 3 days to over a week. Every so often someone might just come out from the back with a long brush thing, poke the inside of the machine and slam the side of it, and bobs your uncle if lucky.

    The whole "we copied elsewhere" lecture that alot of people like to give in favor and support of scheme seems to overlook alot of things, one of them being that we only copied the minimum barebones basic idea's of the scheme in other countries and not the whole entire thing. i'm not sure how people can think we can copy some other country's scheme and then somehow magically gain the same success as they did, without us actually putting in the same amount of effort. it's beyond me.

    All stores with an RVM in my opinion should be lectured on the scheme, and how it works, and have atleast 2 workers mandatory that know how to fix the machine if any problems arise. None of this "out-of-order" or "machine is down, waiting for someone to come out to fix it" lark. Workers should also be thought how to minus the deposit voucher off of ones shopping if they choose to have it taken off their shopping instead of insisting customers to take cash and then use that cash. Also the cashier's should be informed that people have a choice of getting cash and not a scenerio arising where they're told they can only spend the money instore like what happened me a week ago lol.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Woodcutting


    Well I wouldn't buy the products and not claim the refund. Just won't buy them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    i do all the time, nice little earner. 1 euro for a 1-2 minute job while i'm already passing by them anyway. never in the likes of aldi or lidl trollies (maybe twice in my entire life). But always dunnes and tescos trollies i see left around with a euro in them, especially on days where its raining or when the person parks in a spot that is inconvenienced by no nearby trolly return places. if i'm feeling adventurous its usually a race between myself and the store's own designated trolly person to see who can get to trolly first.

    i gotta admit quite often though its a 20 cent coin in the trolley, or worse, nothing lmao! i also have a collection of like 50 or so trolley coins.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Woodcutting


    I tried it a couple of times and found a can would not be accepted so put it back in bag and tried again when the bag was almost empty and it did scan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    for any person that struggles to collect enough cans/bottles, the trollies thing is faster money. a trolley with a euro in it is the equivalent of returning x7 cans to an RVM. Sometimes a trolley may not have a coin inside of it, or something like a 20 cent so it can be a bit of a gamble. but so can finding a bottle/can in the street undamged, only to turn it over and discover there's no return logo on it.

    Fortunately for the latter, by june 1st all cans and bottles apparently will have the return logo. still though both of these things require people to act like vulture's of not already bringing their own things back.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Woodcutting


    I found the worst part controlling the urge to crush



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    exactly, a boycott like some are already doing. others are still choosing to buy them and feeling the sting of the deposit but recycling them in the green bin. Some are even talking about going up to the north instead so they can get the cans, and cheaper too, and without any deposit.

    to each their own. i'm against the scheme, but not against making money from it. The average person bringing back their own item's isnt gonna make money off of it unfortunately as they're just getting back their own money they paid on purchase.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Woodcutting


    seems to be worse than that as a local Aldi store issues a docket that says it can only be redeemed in that particular Aldi store"

    Dunnes too I think.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    The reciept that I got the one time I got one, was regular receipt paper. Didn't appear to be anything special about it all.

    So far i've seen some red word beginning with F at the back of the deposit vouchers, or else an RVM watermark but more solid and faint rather than transparent.

    Yeah, it says "This system is no F***ing use".



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    That would make sense but I was made fun of on here for suggesting a similar scheme by the few schills for the scheme active on boards I suspect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭bog master


    Thinking as its a bank holiday weekend, thousands arriving to Ireland to airports and leaving Ireland-the situation with the deposit scheme?

    And also, the large numbers arriving to Irish holiday destinations, renting a house. going into town, bottles/cans of minerals and beer being bought, will they recoup their deposit on their way home on the Monday?



  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Woodcutting




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    yeah, alot of people are with you on this. if they put the barcodes at the base bottom of the can then we could crush and still get deposits back. And damaged cans would no longer be a problem in reclaiming our deposits. Would even make storage easier and also would ensure that more cans get recycles, thus helping reaching our target goals of 90% much quicker.

    At times it feels like the system is set up to fail. Re-turn makes more money from people not getting their deposits back. it would explain the hoops people have to jump through just to get their own money back, but at the same time its madness. Would be much nicer if it was government funded or something, where people get rewarded for their efforts, instead of being expected to do free work and help reach target recycling goals getting nothing in return but their own money. Breaking even via our deposit should'nt be a reward. The reward should come from whoevers pocket wants us to reach the target goals. whole scheme is manipulative and based on a punishment based incentive instead of rewarding people for their help its bullying/extorting them for help. And holding their deposits as ransom if they do not comply.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I would imagine its down to water quality. There are communities up and down the country on boil water notices. Meaning they either have to boil water before using, or buy bottled water. Up until the recent past, communication of boil water notices have been ridiculously bad, so I know some people who just buy drinking water all the time.

    If you or someone in your house suffers from ill health, buying a few litres of water in Aldi/Lidl every week is a very small price to pay for the peace of mind, that poor water quality is not going to cause diarhoea or vomitting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Woodcutting


    You're right apology I forgot that. But you do have to queue whereas you can use the voucher in the shop you get at the self service. If it scans.

    Again making things more difficult for elderly disabled etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭RetroEncabulator


    We use significantly less bottled water than most EU countries - about half the EU average, so it's definitely not that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    yeah i reckon it either said that, or FAIL. it could also be possible that the codes are not unique and that the reason why we are required to use it in the same store we got the deposit voucher from, could be because it may work in other stores or screw with their system. imagine if re-turn were re-imbursing numerous stores with the same deposit receipt and number, would be chaos. Re-turn would become bankrupt.

    Seriously though there's alot of things in this scheme that still don't make sense or that people can't get their head around. i cant get my head around how a person is able to use a toilet roll insert and get paid, i mean i understand it but i don't understand why the lack of security in the machine. It's like how some stores cheap out on certain aspects of security, it appears re-turn cheaped out on the RVM's in some regard. We simply can't duplicate the success of other countries running their own deposit schemes, when ireland has cheapened out on theirs. Machines are constantly down in some areas. Some other counteries with the scheme even have machines that take multiple depositable items at a time, we only get a 1 item at a time, machine.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭Woodcutting


    Seem to have gone out of their way to make it difficult.

    Edit typo



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭esker72


    First visit to the machines today. Had 7 empty 2l bottles. Working well enough until the third bottle got jammed and the machine just came up with an error message on screen and no way of getting receipt. Moved to the machine beside it which took the other four and issued voucher for a euro so managed to get just over half my deposits back. That probably leaves me in the "just chuck them in the recycle bin and save the hassle" camp but might give it another try to see if it improves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    i'm sorry to hear that this has happened to you, its an absolute nightmare when stuff like this happens. But looking to learn from your experiance i must ask you, was this a LIDL or SUPERVALU machine by any chance?

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭esker72


    Lidl machine. It's not a major issue as I'm not a big user so the sums involved aren't really ever going to be significant. I'd always try and go along with these schemes if there's an environmental reason but this one just seems so badly thought out, especially when reverting to my old way of popping it in the recycle bin seems just as good if not better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,593 ✭✭✭✭elperello



    The local councillors have no say about Re-turn but if you complain about it to them they'll most likely agree with you in the hope of getting your vote.

    As for the trollies all lined up for the next customer.

    Where do you think you'd find them if there was no deposit ?

    All over the car park is where.

    Deposits influence people's behaviour.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Well then I have no idea what is making up for the extra single use plastic then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    As far as i know, yes. Re-Turn being backed by irish law essentially forced the machines onto businesses. The only businesses that were not bullied into buying an RVM were those that have been granted exemptions due to space constraints.

    although one could imagine that return may have hired some cheaper alternative machine manufacturer to do the work of providing the machines and then just slapped their name branding all over it.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,609 ✭✭✭SteM


    I don't think the machines are centrally provided by re-turn.





  • I worked in the libraries. Each item has a unique identifier, such that every single material item (physical books, maps etc) in circulation in all public libraries has an id not shared by any other. ISBN is used as a basis for published books with an add-on unique id number which together make the unique identifier for each book. If items don’t come with ISBN unique numbers of equivalent string length were generated and applied to each item. There have been many changes since my day, of course. RFID is coded for each material item unique identifier.

    That’s doable and essential for libraries, but he’ll, it would not be worth it for Re-Turn, but might be the only way to patch up this awful farce of a situation. I haven’t a clue how it’s all done in other countries, has anyone a good detailed explanation without my having to bother googling as I’m too lazy? (Too lazy to to partake in are-Turn scheme)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    i would disagree, deposits only affect some poor peoples behavior or people who are on a budget or anyone penny pinching. Posh people or super rich never seem to care or bother with returning trolleys or recycleable container wise. (This would also explain why its rare to find trolleys with money left in them at the likes of lidl and aldi, but not at tesco)

    Also supermarkets have people dedicated (paid) to bring back trollies to ensure they're not spread all over the parking lot. They also have a special key and they also get to keep any of the deposit money they find in trolleys.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 5,808 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    When I was working for Dunnes, 25-ish years ago, there was one guy who was always collecting the trollies. Rain, hail or snow, he was on trollies. One day he called in sick and I got selected to do trollies, and I discovered why he always opted to do trollies. I earned 18 euros that day from unclaimed trolley euros. Considering I was on about 5.60 an hour at the time that was some "bonus"! Equivalent to 3 hours overtime. I'd imagine on days it was lashing the bonus was even greater.



Advertisement