What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

Who are theses merchants who bought hundreds of tonnes of fert at high prices, there isn’t a 50kg bag of fertiliser in any Co op yard around here and there hasn’t been for months, we were told that they weren’t buying any fert. We were also told that they weren’t even making it but now suddenly there’s any amount of it out there but they think farmers should bend over again like they did last Spring. The lies these thieving crooks come out with are something else, you couldn’t make it up especially since the price of gas has fallen 70% in the last four months. Of course they don’t want to talk about that anymore but loved mentioning it as it rose, there wasn’t much of a time lag between gas prices rising and fert prices rising. They had no gas forward bought at the cheaper prices but have lots of it forward bought at high prices now, funny that isn’t it. I can’t believe farmers are falling for their BS again.

I don't think too many are falling for it. Sellers of fertiliser have farmers by the balls. They know it's needed, they know they can now charge what they like and will get it. For every stubborn farmer who won't pay up, there's 20,30,50 who will. And prices will stay high until one of the sellers drops prices then the rest will follow

Whatever happened to the cheaper Russian fertiliser that the Irish factories journal ( kindly sponsored by Grassland Agro ) was bitching and moaning about a while back. Did the fertiliser cartel get that option shut down.

What fees or taxes would an Irish farmer pay on an artic load bought in the UK and brought back to Ireland. How many tonne on a 40 ft flatbed legally?

Need an eori No. anyway i think, wouldnt know tbh thats just what it's availble direct from ports on the East coast to on farm currently.

Usually goes in loads of 25ton bags or 44/600kg bags to about fill a wagon.

No idea if there's any fert specific regs but an eori no is a 2 second job on ros. Might be a little more complicated if not vat registered.

Transport company will charge €80 to clear it on top of whatever standard carriage rate.

Importing is pretty much the same as it was before Brexit when the eori box is ticked.

That was Galvin

owner of target

Are you VAT registered?

As far as I am aware there is up North

I know a few lads with vat numbers.

Exactly. Tanko's take on the situation as a big conspiracy is as wide of the mark as most such speculations.

I was talking to a friend 10 days ago about urea prices. He got prices from three coops in his district. Per tonne was 980 in one, 1020 in another and 1050 in the third.

Rang around this morning to two places I buy. The first one1

18-6-12....935

Urea .......925

Prot urea 46%. 995

Other Co-op is not quoting which is a great sign. They must not have a lot of product in stock. They are probably watching to use new product to dilute the price hopefully

I am projecting 150-200 off them prices by late February/early March. The 18's is a crazy price. I bought my 18's last year for 750, my Urea was kind of similarity priced last year.

They probably want to hold prices until the pre-booked and paid for stuff is delivered.

There will be weeping and nashing of teeth I imagine. Gap is too big if it's 650/ ton in the UK. There would be lads importing and selling at a price in between.

Just think of the opportunity it would be 9k on a artic of a difference. If an importer bough in 5k tons on a ship he could make along with the normal margin another 500k on a 4 million turnover and that is adding 100/ ton extra.

I cannot see co-op's managing to hold the line.

Jesus christ dear stuff alright....it has to come down they will have to just take the hit simple as people aren't stupid they will go elsewhere where its cheaper

Dawg, would the merchants here have them offers too?

This is what I mean. If Dawg can buy that in France for that price, can you imagine the price for a shipload maybe 20-40% a ton cheaper. Yes the importers have there mark up and costs but it will land in a poet in France, the UK or Ireland for virtually the same price.

Trying to charge 50% more on retail price compared to elsewhere is not sustainable. Somewhere someone will see an opportunity and start importing if they can make an extra million on top of normal margin on maybe a 3.5-4 million investment.

If the difference is 2-300/ton lads will arrange loads between them