What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

I've absolutely no skin in the game with these posts.

But the dept are reducing N limits applied by 10% for 2023 across all sectors of farming. It won't just be a financial aspect. That low hanging fruit will be there every year for the dept. And every time it's reduced it reduces the country's emissions on the ledger book as well as the epa aspect. So it'll more and more be used. As far as the government are concerned it'll be "Oh the farmers will figure out a way".

Anyway ..ye'll all figure out different things in one's own time.

The Base, Nots, Danu groups are well up on this.

Who?

This thread is a mountain of knowledge …..been following @Say my name here a while now and the man’s a mountain of practical no nonsense knowledge when it comes to Foliar applications and soil biology ….Tegasc and there slow movement to the table with all this is a bit baffling but hardly surprising ….lots of vested interests clouding them hope u and @stanflt keep the info flowing here

a guy in my area has a tow and fert machine a few years …getting on great with it but there bananas money ….as said here a good second hand sprayer ,gps unit ,2 Ibc’s pump and mixer would get you going for a reasonable cost …..and end up saving a lot in purchased chemical n

The first thing is to rig up a mixing tank. Depends on the scale. What I have is a 5000 litre plastic tank with a good strong submersible slurry/effluent pump. Circulates the water in the tank similar to agitating slurry while you let the urea flow slowly out of the bag. Takes no more that 5 or 10 minutes to dissolve. On a smaller scale you could use an IBC tank. If you PM me I can sort you out with some humic/fulvic powder.

179 euro for the 2inch petrol water pump and 2 ibc is how I started

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Here this is what I'm using.

(There's other groups looking for funding from the dept for trial work and ye're getting it for free).

A pan I think is 450 grams. Not sure at this hour without the weighing scales. You'll have to go by whatever is recommended by the product you use.

4 litres molasses/ acre.

I started the journey with the seaweed powder. Found a benefit. Then added the molasses. Found it better again. Added fulvic powder. Found it better again. Looked for a humic element. Then got a humic fulvic product. The fulvic was used up and then I relied completely on the humic fulvic. Tried out rates of the humic fulvic and went overboard once and had to cut back. Then I added the urea and I could increase the rates of humic fulvic to balance. I'm now at the optimum so far. A bag of urea is a 50 kg bag. And now with the GPS that 12 acres has become 16 acres. Roughly. I haven't got a mixing tank like the other two here. I use the induction hopper of the sprayer, with the sprayer on agitate.

I've added biochar, lime, gypsum, along the way too, blocking the filters.

It's not witchcraft.

I even see on the journal a chem company promoting a bacteria to be sprayed on plants that it claims captures nitrogen in leaves. Big hullabaloo made of it.

How dare you make your snide comment. For your information I am only trying to steer people in the correct direction. Have been spraying dissolve urea for the past 7 years. Learned the hard way before there was anybody doing it here.

Have you put up your silage sample results yet. Probably ashamed to have them seen.

There is fantastic info and away forward from both @stanflt and @Ginger @GinaMc2021@ginger22Both a true innovators will to step outside the normal group think and try something different, both extremely passionate. From looking at this I'm personally in 2023 going to try some foliar

I think the thread would deserve a graphic ( pic of what what you do on a piece of paper) if the guys a willing to share. Ye are both driving farming forward. Well done

The thing is I believe passionatley in the foliar feeding.

I have no interest in trying to sell any product on here. I have supplied some product to other posters on here when I was importing it for myself because they asked me to do so. I did it @ no profit whatsoever.

I believe foliar feeding is the only technology that will save Irish farming from the green looney brigade.

The thing is if this technology is to succeed it must work and be easy to do.

There can be not negatives that the opposition can use to pick holes with. The same amount of grass and silage of top quality must be produced.

There must be a simple low cost and quick way to mix and apply the product.

I believe what I am doing works on all counts.

Finally I would caution lads that there are lots of sellers of "snake oil" out there. Dont fall for it.

Liquid is different to foliar- you need special nossles on the sprayer

I think you need to read my previous posts

What way is the N quoted as there is a bit of working out, Omex love to do it by the ton iirc. 1,000l of 20per cent urea comes in around 1.23? tons

The thing with Omex is you want to get it into the soil, with special nozzles, no financial saving, only advantage is precision application, but similar losses due to being taken up by roots with about 50 % uptake.

The financial saving comes with dissolved urea, foliar application, more efficient due to all product used by plant.

once the field starts to green up 5 to 7 days