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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    They tried that last time.. get vaccinated as the way out of restrictions. Indeed, I think it's why the vast majority went along

    It didn't happen though. Restrictions were dragged on regardless.

    Fool me once...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Dr Barry on RTE now claiming another variant has emerged in India and picking up pace and should be with us by September 🙄🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I didn't last time either for the most part.

    I went with one of the plastic face shields. Still ridiculous, but less personally uncomfortable and frustrating than a mask

    If they try to bring this back for what is still a mild dose of the sniffles for the majority in the midst of darkening evenings and spiralling heating bills and fuel costs, on top of all the other issues we face, I can see a lot of unrest.

    It doesn't happen often (last time being the Irish Water protests), but there seems to be a lot of simmering anger and frustration out there at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    There won't be unrest over masks

    There could be a lot of non compliance

    I know I won't be bothering my ****



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I didn't actually say that, that's your projected version of it, but some people are really struggling to let it go. I'm genuinely sorry you continue to feel that way. COVID is over bar some slightly obvious exceptions and it has been for over four months. In due course there will be a review of how we went about things. None of these claims about next winter are real at all BTW but they are clearly real for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    It feels like COVID is being prolonged by the work outages and hospital stats and media sensationalism

    That's my take on it all. I feel that it's not over until we decide to end it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Of course they matter, these are some of the most significant events in Irish history.

    Your commentary around this is bizarre, you asked people to "purge their memories" in a previous post.

    Of course you could ask people not to look back with especial bitterness but nobody is forgetting anything, why would they. The public panic was itself a response to media and political hype.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Nah not purging them, again a reworking of my words, just putting them in their place as part of of our life story. I don't see much to remember about the last two years except that there was probably far too much caution at times, but driven by events at that time. Ultimately we moved out of it far faster than many other countries. That we will all learn something from, otherwise life stretches ahead of us, not behind us.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The fiat financial system, as we know it, has come to an end. It was actually on it's knees by 2009 or so, but they kept injecting it with more and more printing. The longer such stimulation continued, the bigger the eventual crash would be. Its completely done now, which the powers that be have recognised. America is in record debt. They will collapse into the new CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency) system, due approx 2024-25, according to the ECB and US Fed.

    Covid and the war arrived in good time to provide a smokescreen. Politicians will continue to blame these events for what was already an inevitable (and necessary) collapse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,656 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Most supermarkets have security at the doors, the small shop probably won't care too much though



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Agree 100%.....Even more so due to it's accuracy 🙂


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    There are pleanty of Branch Covidians now re-emerging from the wings.

    That well known,totally neutral and uninvolved "expert" Dr Cilian de Gascun of the hugely well funded (post covid) National Virus Reference Laboratory has leapt onto the stage to brief RTE as to what we're gonna hafta do if we want to stay alive this winter...

    One chink of light is the final quote from Dr Gerald Barry of U.C.D where he has chosen a rather unusual turn of phrase regarding more vaccinations...

    "I think considering what's happening and considering the likelihood of further waves, I think vaccination should be an option for everyone really," he said.

    No thanks,Doc.... 😎


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Ah yes,But....that review will NOT be featuring any contribution from Dr Holohan or Mr Reid,two of the most important Covid personages in Ireland.

    It will,I suspect feature a tramload of Civil Servants,as junior as can be found,to be metaphorically garotted by a succession of Junior & Senior Counsel,none of whom will earn a penny from the "review".

    The whiff of decay from this entire production is very strong indeed !! 👺


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Maybe we could get him to do a speech in Dublin.?

    RDS in the RDS !!! 😎

    Bound to have a familial connection in the North Inner City surely ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Drunken Oaf


    So you believe that this thing just happened to originate in the fish market. Just by chance.

    You believe that the lockdowns, the societal reset, the hyperinflation, none of this could have been predicted or avoided and it certainly wasn't deliberate.


    Jesus. Don't tell anyone that in public whatever you do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Drunken Oaf


    We are in the middle of summer and we have daily threats in the news to bring back mask mandates.

    More than likely we will see some sort of lite lockdown this winter (probably involving nightclub closures, moronic rules around live gigs and half capacity outdoor sport events), making us an international laughing stock.

    We will be getting this because certain nerds in government enjoy it too much.

    Don't forget- in April 2020 Simon Harris said, casual as you like, he couldn't see a return of pubs and nightlife until a vaccine was widely available.

    At the time, most experts had a widespread vaccine roll out pegged to between 3 and 5 years away. Many speculated we might never have one.

    TLDR- Simon Harris thought 3 plus years of no Irish nightlife was something that shouldn't come as a great shock to anybody, just live with it.


    Now, that's all well and good if you like staying in each and every weekend playing Warcraft and watching Doctor Who or whatever Simon probably does, but that he thought this was a viable option for the rest of us speaks volumes about what planet these people are living on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    So after over two and a half years throughout which I was actually in work it finally got me today. Didn’t do too badly despite being labeled “irresponsible” and a “granny killer” and god knows what else by some of the zealots on here. Extremely mild symptoms so far just a very mild cough every 10 minutes or so. #prayforme



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    What is this scutter? Why do you insist on fantasising about "lite lockdowns"? These same arguements were proposed by the forever restrictions merchants earlier this year, who were roundly shot down when the government removed all restrictions. But yet the worst case scenarios continue on here.

    I'm not a defender of the government, but it's tiresome reading the same shite. And, yes, unsubscribing from the thread is an option but, in between the bullshit, there are some good points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Are these legally enforceable? If not, they are a local policy, and not a nationwide restriction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Oh don’t worry my wife is after getting 7 days worth of easy singles to push under the door to me!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I hate it when I'm right..

    First mask mandates go back on the books.

    Now it's time to line up for your next jab because Micheal is "worried"

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/health/possible-fourth-round-of-covid-vaccines-for-autumn-due-to-evolution-of-virus-41810764.html


    A new national Covid vaccine programme for all adults is on the way because of a lack of protection against new variants as the Taoiseach admitted to being “worried” about the impact of the virus this winter.


    The virus “still retains a very strong disruptive capacity, which I think has been underestimated by people,” Micheál Martin told the Irish Independent, referring to both the hard-hit health system and wider economy.


    Mr Martin said rollout of the fourth round of Covid vaccines is likely in the autumn due to an “evolution of the virus


    And although couched in possibilities and maybes, anyone who thinks that this and mask mandates won't be coming back is deluding themselves :

    “We are worried about the winter period in particular,” he said, admitting this was why legislation was introduced last week to allow for new mask-wearing mandates across society.


    “We’re taking contingency measures,” he said.


    “I don’t want to find ourselves in a position in the autumn where we might have to respond with masks. Hopefully we don’t and we may not have to go there at all, but we should always be prepared.”


    Which is standard political double-speak, and the usual tactic of softening us up for the inevitable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    with those who had Covid at the beginning of the year left with no immunity.


    Mr De Gascun said vaccine manufacturers were looking at incorporating the latest strains into a new jab that would also protect against an expected flu outbreak.

    Nothing more than a paid shill



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,302 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    "Now it's time to line up for your next jab"

    Did you expect never to be offered another vaccine ?

    It was called from a long time ago that much like the flu vaccine you'll be offered it every year more than likely. Up to you if you want to avail of it or not.

    If they want to offer a vaccine out to the entire population I don't see the issue to be perfectly honest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Nor do I. Unless of course they resurrect that odious cert.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I'm pro vaccine anti restriction

    No problem with everybody getting jabbed if theres no other curtailments



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The issue will be if they effectively force everyone to get it again under threat of being locked out of various activities or venues if they don't.

    Just like they did last time. Don't be under any illusions that anything has been learned or will change once they start down this path again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    It's looking like I said yesterday a bit of 🥕 and stick

    Endgame is to get people vaccinated



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭dorothylives


    They'll have a serious fight on their hands in the Autumn/Winter if they try to enforce working from home/isolating at home. Electric Ireland announced their second price hike in 3 months, that won't be the last of it and with the price of everything going through the roof people are really going to be struggling financially. At least at work they'd be warm, not at home freezing but afraid to turn the heat on while worrying how to pay the mortgage/rent, feed the kids and keep the lights on. The PUP payment money is gone, remember MM saying he didn't want to use that money for Ukrainians but then he used that money for Ukrainians.

    How much is the 4th round of vaccines going to cost us and where is the money coming from? Why were people coming here from countries with very low vaccine uptake of any kind allowed to come here and then not vaccinated here? Why, when at the beginning of this year when there were still so many people calling for an apartheid system where those without a booster to be denied access to indoor hospitality did these people become exempt?

    I've had COVID it was no big deal, a cough and things smelled strange that's it, and I'm a person with a compromised immune system. I've lost count of the number of COVID jabs my parents have had without them giving a second thought to whether it's even safe to keep getting so many. There latest boosters were more unpleasant than my COVID.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Things are too tight and challenging for people to worry about covid now ,the career cranks are all that's left to appeal to now


    That prof Anthony Staines is a serious oddball



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,656 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Exactly, can't understand why some people are so anti-vax in this day and age



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Jab doesn't bother me restrictions do

    What does bother me if there's a new variant and no one taking the next gen vaccines and then a load of restrictions because of it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Just because there's a 'variant' doesn't automatically mean that a vaccine is warranted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I think something very bad would have to happen for restrictions and lockdowns to return . If we go back to restrictions and lockdowns now despite high rates of vaccinations and immunity from mass infections then it’s game over for our meaningful lives. They’d have to be permanent because Covid will never go away because it’s too contagious

    . We would never have anything to look forward to. You could never plan anything. Life would be just merely an existence and full of depression. Of course there’s a percentage of zealots shouting that society should shut down in 2022 but those people are pathetic and best ignored because a lot of them had miserably lives pre covid and in my experience some have other agendas.

    We are doing the right thing by letting it rip and it’s up to one’s self to be cautious.



  • Registered Users Posts: 935 ✭✭✭darconio


    I think you just hit the nail on the head: restrictions were brought in to increase the vaccination rate not to stop the new variants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Spot on. Despite the imaginations of some on here, the politicians and a lot of health experts (Tony included) acknowledged some time ago that we have to learn to live with Covid - and this is it. Things were much worse (in terms of stats and "de numbers") earlier this year, yet all restrictions were still removed. As you say, things would have to get much much worse for any utterance of lockdown to return. There is just no justification for these type of measures any longer, and most people know that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    All true and this is why I said I wish we had Tony right now

    All he have right now is a bunch of talking heads all blowing in the wind on masks

    On the vaccine , I don't know what we'll need to take and when but have no issue with anything that helps the 99% avoid masks and whatever else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,656 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'm sure that will be the line when an omicron vaccine comes along, take the jab or restrictions will return, just like last years line, 90% vaccinated and we reopen everything

    Sadly I think the biggest obstacle to trust in vaccines are our government and our nurses unions who seem to want restrictions regardless of what the vaccines are so clearly doing to this virus. Another thing that I'm at pains to say Boris got right -_-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Restrictions=Cushy life for a lot of these people



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,885 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    While getting the platform in the media to finger wag

    If mass gatherings are stopped by September then I'm blaming Garth Brooks (only a joke lads relax)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    The covid pass needs to be reintroduced asap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Was in a hse non-health environment today

    Everything was back social distancing and handed a mask on the way in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Trolling with the homies or serious, concerned citizen?

    I wonder would the pass have the same support as last time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    Disagree with my opinion and it’s trolling. That’s infantile of you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I didn't say you were, I just asked because it sounded like a joke.

    Fair enough you're serious.

    Do you perceive renewed enthusiasm among the general public for the re-introduction of the covid pass?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,885 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Thankfully the Brits will never go back into lockdown so in Ireland we will just look like fools



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Ah isn't that what the virus would say?

    The virus loves it when you seek reasonable justification for massive infringements on civil liberty. LOVES it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    What’s your hopes and dreams for the future? Permanent shutdowns of society? Will that be ok for you?



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