Heavyweight Boxing

I give Spinks praise he seen an opptunity at the time & took it, but again he was never a true heavy weight ,

He just knew that his skill set as LHW would beat Holmes & he did that,

Spinks fought Holmes twice first he was 200lbs second 205lbs , Then fought Tangstad & was 201lbs , Then Conney 208lbs, Then Tyson 212,

He was never a Heavy Weight he was a LHW fighting at HW , Usyk is a true heavy weight he weigh 222lbs

Does Fury have an advantage in size yes but he is still flighting another heavy weight,

Strangely not many would believe you but Mike Tyson is the 4th heaviest Undisputed champion ever,

Excuses for what exactly ?

I don't believe Spinks was ever a true heavy weight (his weigh in weights confirm it to me),

I believe Usyk is a true heavy weight ,

That's my opinion if you have a different one that is fine

Exactly my thinking. 13 or so years a pro and what, 32 fights?

How many championship fights? 4 in total. 3 wins and a draw.

Oh, and a PED user. Doping conviction

Legend? Wtf?!

His time and era he is up there as the best, or thereabouts. Usyk challenging for number 1 spot.

AJ fight still needs to happen…

for me, still a bit to do before legend status considered.

He's not going down as a legend with nobody but a 40 year old Wlad and Wilder as the only names he's fought.

He will go down as the best of his generation but it'll be considered a poor generation for heavyweight boxing.

No issue admitting to when wrong.

on Fury: been wrong 4/5 times on predictions.

other than this there has been no right/wrong. It’s all in your head.

Seriously, what is so unbelievable with a huge man like Fury getting up in the first fight vs Wilder?

Down on the canvas for ten seconds. Plenty boxers have gotten up from heavier/cleaner shots than what Wilder landed there.

before any Fury nuthuggers jump in, this is not a criticism. Just find it odd people see it as so unreal.

Just on the generation thing: it’s still up for grabs.

Fury in pole position now. But what happens if AJ and Usyk beat him, or god forbid, someone like Whyte?

does he still deserve best of his era/generation tag?

I’m not sure why you think Fury doesn’t need AJ if he loses to Usyk.

AJ would still be the (arguably) third best heavyweight in the division. Anyone being considered a legend needs to be cleaning house.

even if they do fight and AJ loses I still want AJ and Wilder fighting each other too.

plenty of unanswered questions from all of them

If AJ loses again then the fight doesn't matter. However it will be said he avoided him when he was a top boxer.

Interesting interview with John Fury on BT,

Says Tyson had a four week camp & was unfit for the Wilder fight said the child was worse than anyone knew & flatlined , & also that Tyson has gone under the knife as he had elbow problems ,He says that is why he couldn't throw his jab without pain & its the reason he turned it into a war so he could get close,

John was also saying he doesn't want to see Fury fight like that again as it will take years off him & also weaken his chin (which is right) & gave some stick to Sugar Hill saying Tyson doesn't need a trainer if the plan is to fight like that, Also said Sugar had him doing to many rounds sparring ,

It's hard to gauge how annoyed he is with Sugar because he also says Tyson had no choice but to fight that way ,

He has also he said he has told Fury to retire but that Tyson probably won't listen

Lets play match making

I reckon we are going to see,

AJ v Usyk

Fury v Whyte

Wilder v Ruiz

Then hope we see

Fury v Usyk

AJ v Wilder

Ruiz v Whyte

How ?

Fury fought Wilder first in December 2018 , The fight was announced seconds after he beat Paineta August 2018 ,

AJ fought AVP in September & that fight was ordered in June as a mandatory , Then he was trying to fight Whyte in Wembley for 29 December 2018 but lowballed offered Whyte who refused the offer, Then in February agreed to fight Miller in June 2019 which turned into Ruiz

So I'm not sure how Tyson ducked AJ ,

Where in the time line was the fight suppose to be made ?

Remember it was interview by Wilder that made Fury come back to begin with,

It was always the 50/50 pay demand before any comeback fight that stifled progress.

From early 2018 this is what fury was demanding according to Hearn and this was never refuted by anyone in Furys camp. Even though he surely knew it was unrealistic coming off a 2 year layoff.

In my view deliberately pricing himself out of what would have been a very dangerous fight at the time, in hindsight maybe not so much but at the time it was definitely dangerous. A 60/40 split for AJ would still have grossed more for Tyson than the Wilder 1 fight.

But as I've said before on here fight 1 being a draw and the manner in which rd12 went down proved to be very lucrative from a cash dollar perspective.

His career path to the wlad fight was very carefully plotted too. Nothing wrong with that at all but again it flies in the face of this fight any man any where mantra.

We all seen the video of Fury the day he decided to come back because of words from Wilder,

The same day he rang Warren & told him i'm coming back & I'm fighting Wilder,

Hearn heard of this come back & they offered him Bellew as one of his warm up fights , Fury said no as he had his pan of how he would get to the Wilder fight, Which after 2 years off an being nearly 30 stone was fair enough, Bellew said himself he would only fight Fury then & not when he was fit, Basically Hearn was willing to risk Bellew to stop the Fury come back dead in its tracks,

Hearn was trying to make AJ v Wilder & they didn't agree terms & the Mandatory was called for AJ , so Fury jumped in there,

On June 27, 2018 (only a week after he fought Sefri ) , Fury gave Wilder a message in an Instagram video saying, "I'll apologise on behalf of Eddie Hearn and Anthony Joshua because they're from the same country as I am, they won't fight you and they've took three months stringing you and the fans along with no intention of fighting, but I'll fight you in three seconds. Get your boss to send me the contract and I'll show you how long it takes to sign it! If you wanna fight the best this country has ever had knock on my door and see if the Gypsy King doesn't answer! The ball is in your court." Around this time, Fury and Wilder discussed a potential fight privately, and their two teams began talks for a fight to take place before the end of the year.

As i already said early that month AJ had already been called to defend his mandatory against AVP ,

So when was this AJ v Fury fight going to take place ? Hearn talking absolute bollox as usual it was never on the radar back then

John Fury Exclusive: Tyson Fury Injury Before Wilder 3, AJ Training Offer & Verdict On Usyk & Whyte - YouTube

Just on Mike Tyson...he's a fooking pot smoking weirdo....I'll absolutely value my views and opinions more than that clown!!!!

The best of his era debate will be finalized when they retire. Right now Fury is in prime position.

There are still possible fight secnearios and permutations that could change the whole landscape, and whether we get these fights is another thing

Interesting to hear Roy Jones claim himself as greatest ever fighter, with Ali at 2

Also, he thinks today's HWs would stand no chance vs the 1970s

Not sure if the KOs he suffered has him a bit foggy.....but no way a fighter who has been knocked out that much can be the GOAT

Outside of Fury, today doesn't bode well for the current crop in some eras for me.....

Usyk has yet to prove himself proper and at 34 now I can't see him showing too much....I'd back many HWs to do a number on Usyk.

Bet many to do a number on AJ and Wilder

Wouldn't bet near as many to do a number on Fury

I reckon it was in the gym where Roy lost his chin,

He really depending on his reflex's not to take shots but if you are sparring him surely after a while you'll read him and catch him with shots ,

Like most fighters its the gym where you become shot not on the big stage

I know that but the sheer amount of rounds in the gym

Look at the Allen video not to long ago sparring with Usyk he was hurt badly ,

Yes...

I have always felt that probabably most the damage is done in the gym, where boxers are more relaxed and tend to take head shots much more....and they take way more than they do in a fight....so, for one top class pro fight they could spar 80-120 rds or thereabouts

We only see the end result on fight night. We don't see the weeks and weeks of sparring before the fights